[Lupinus]

So I got to thinking on a "What if..." type thing.

Basicly if it ever came about that your right to gun's was taken away and the goverment was coming for your guns what would you do?

I think it is safe to say that most if not everyone here would refuse to give them up.

But how would you go about it?

Go down fighting?
Hide your weapons and ammo?
Break them down and hide them in place's they couldn't be found?

Just how would you go about not giving up your guns?

[Daniel964]

What guns. I sold all of them.:D

[nfl1990]

Depends on how much time I'd have, if I had a few days I'd hide 'em and say "What guns, guns are eeevil I don't own them" but however if I had only about a half hout I'd take as many of them with me as I could.

[Wastemore]

At the risk of sounding paranoid, I have little doubt that forums such as this are monitored from time-to-time.

[Biker]

At the risk of sounding paranoid, I have little doubt that forums such as this are monitored from time-to-time.
I've no doubt that you're right, and as it should be. I actively campaigned for the AWB and have a poster of Sarah Brady on my wall.
Biker

[Wastemore]

Biker,
I strongly suggest you simply confess your possessions to the blue-suits at the door. For the love of all that is holy and that sanity of yourself, friends and family, please take down the poster.

[EddieCoyle]

At the risk of sounding paranoid, I have little doubt that forums such as this are monitored from time-to-time.

Not that I'm a member of the tin-foil hat crowd but I've often wondered about this myself.

Does anybody but me cringe when people provide an inventory of their guns in their signature? I mean, if someone read every one of my posts they'd get an idea of some of what I have, but I consider it a bit naive to be making an easy to use list.

EDIT: Oh yeah: I'd hide 'em.

[sacp81170a]

Personally, as a law enforcement officer, if I were given such an order, that would be the exact second that I quit. I know lots of others who feel the same way.

[Moondoggie]

If you decide to take the route of preserving and planting your firearms someplace out in the boonies, what are the JBT's gonna do when they come to your house?

Torture a confession out of you???

Put 20 million or so folks in concentration camps for "suspicion of failing to turn in prohibited firearms"??? Kinda be a drag on the economy, IMO.

Put 20 million or so of us under constant surveilance so that they can clandestinely follow each of us to our stash????

Don't forget to conceal the whereabouts from your kids...the JBT youth brigade may brainwash/trick them into selling you out.

If the PTB have read my posts, they know I'm retired military. They probably have a model predicting what % of us will comply, hide, or fight back.

I can't say for sure what I'd chose to do...it would depend on the circumstances.

[Wastemore]

I can proudly say that I am a card-carrying member of the "tinfoil hat club", there is no shame in not trusting a tyrannical government. I generally have a problem trusting people that don't trust anybody.

Do I think they'll wonder from forum to forum compiling a list of owners and their text-displayed firearms? Probably not. I'm not really as careful as I should be, though.

This is not their country, it's ours, and the constitution protects us from confiscation. New laws and bench legislation won't change that fact. The only reason they have the power is because we choose to comply.We're honest, upstanding citizens and choose to obey the law of the land despite the fact that they are encroaching. They are not forcing us to comply, we are choosing. I firmly believe that there will come a time when the subjects... I mean, citizens no longer choose to obey, which begs the question- who has the stick and why aren't we drawing?

[Biker]

I'm a member of the same club, Wastemore. However, I don't think that it's paranoia, I think that it's just being aware.
Biker

[Cosmoline]

You need to be more clear. What government? Why? Have I been convicted of a felony? Has the law been challenged in court yet? Is it a federal or state law?

[Sinsaba]

If you decide to take the route of preserving and planting your firearms someplace out in the boonies, what are the JBT's gonna do when they come to your house?

Torture a confession out of you??? ...


If they have already decided that they don't have to obey the constitution, then why not?

[Borachon]

They've got all of us. Our names, our ISP numbers, our computer ID....our 4473 forms....videotape from local gun clubs, shooting clubs, hunting clubs....articles we may have written.....whatever.

If they ever come for us, claiming that you sold all your guns won't mean a thing.

We'll all see each other in the cattle car going East.
Or in Heaven when we refused to go.

[Biker]

Of course you're right. Well, for everything except for maybe heaven.:evil:
Biker

[Capteddie]

+1 for the tinfoil hats

compiling a list of owners and their text-displayed firearms

It would seem to me that even the gov't in their infinite wisdom :rolleyes: would realize that the fact that some one puts something in their signature on a message board in no way indicates that they actually posess that item. After all, all us gun folk are crazy don't cha know :neener:

Think I'll add an FA-18 hornet to my signature and see how long it takes them to come kick in my door. :D

[Wastemore]

I'm a member of the same club, Wastemore. However, I don't think that it's paranoia, I think that it's just being aware.

Aware? Yeah, I completely agree. Unfortunately, not all that I cross paths with use the term "aware". I'm pretty selective with who I talk to about my system of beliefs simply because too many a time have I been dubbed "fringe", etc. for simply turning to the constitution for the answer to the legal confusion mouthed by the talking heads. It's frightening the number of necks with sand lines.

I think I'll have my graphic artist friend make up a "tinfoil hat club" card and have it laminated to show the "unaware" exactly where I stand. I don't much care to be mis-understood.:neener:

Waste-

[edit]
You need to be more clear. What government? Why? Have I been convicted of a felony? Has the law been challenged in court yet? Is it a federal or state law?


Cosmoline,
For the purpose of this exercise I think it's safe to assume we're talking about any foriegn/domestic government.

[Cosmoline]

That's not really an answer, though. It makes an enormous difference whether we're talking about the local police or some foreign government. In the case of a foreign state, there's no question--I'd be duty bound to kill them. I've sworn an oath to do so, as has every official and serviceman in the nation. It would be like allowing Spanish troops to come and take those soldiers into custody. Such an act would be a direct attack on our sovereignty and would be grounds for total war, not to mention grounds for killing the foreign police outright.

If it's a local law, I'd laugh and go get it overturned. Alaska's Constitution would block such an effort at the front door.

If it's a federal law, things get more dicey. If you're talking about an outright total ban and confiscation, what little old me would or would not be doing would be overshadowed by the second civil war.

[Alex45ACP]

At the risk of sounding paranoid, I have little doubt that forums such as this are monitored from time-to-time.

Good.

If anyone at the ATF is reading this, you better send lots of JBTs to my house if you want my guns.

From my cold, dead hands.

[Janitor]

You're talking about a fundemental change in the law, right? If I had any guns I'd give them to them when they came of course. It would be the law right? Why on earth would I want to break any laws? I mean really - I'm a responsible citizen.

The operative is of course "if I had any guns". But I live in a safe neighborhood and the police around here are all so spectacular that I have no need to keep guns around my home or my person. So fortunately, I wouldn't have to make this choice.

:D

have a poster of Sarah Brady on my wall.
Oh Biker ... PLEASE don't tell me that it's a risque' poster. Not at this hour.

[Michigander]

This conversation has been played out numerous times here at THR.

I still find it interesting, all these internet BB responses. What we would really do is another thing entirely in most cases, I'm sure.

I believe there is wisdom in the saying, "if it's time to bury them, it's time to dig them up."

I'm not sure if having all your firearms hidden or stored miles away from you will do you (or anyone) any good. And I'm not so sure that those who would come to confiscate said weapons would be adverse to the idea that you had none when they were to arrest you.

[Biker]

Yup Janitor, Sarah's dressed in just a thong and a smile.:evil:
Biker

[Janitor]

*urp*

[NCP24]

At the risk of sounding paranoid, I have little doubt that forums such as this are monitored from time-to-time. Paranoid is the fear of an unreal threat, but in this case just because your paranoid doesn’t mean that no one isn’t out to get you. I'm a certified card carrying member of the tin-foil hat club and I can guarantee you someone is monitoring.

As for “What if?” I suppose in all honestly we will just have to cross that bridge when we get to it.

[Lupinus]

that is truly a terrifying and disturbing mental image biker

[RavenVT100]

You guys don't really think I own guns, do you? My relatives in PA own guns. But me, let's just say I'm here for entertainment purposes only.

[fourays2]

well all I ever had was a 10/22 and a .38 revelover but unfortunately those were lost in a tragic boating accident.

[rick_reno]

They've got all of us. Our names, our ISP numbers, our computer ID....our 4473 forms....videotape from local gun clubs, shooting clubs, hunting clubs....articles we may have written.....whatever.



I hope they have my tinfoil hat size.

[R.H. Lee]

I don't have any guns. Guns are dangerous. Any claim I made that I own certain guns was probably made before they were stolen, lost or sold. Or maybe I made the whole thing up just to participate in an internet forum. I can't remember.

[charby]

Here is my Crossman pellet rifle and the Daisy air pistol.

C

[longeyes]

When & if that directive arrives it won't be happening in a vacuum. And it won't be a surprise. A lot of fans will be working overtime scattering youknowwhat.

By the way, anyone following Able Danger?

[Gordon Fink]

Another one of these threads! Great! Let me break it down for you.

There will probably never be a general confiscation of firearms, because it is a completely unnecessary step in the ongoing disarmament process. However, if mass confiscation ever does come to pass, despite all the bluster, most gun owners will comply with the order, and most law-enforcement officers will execute the order.

~G. Fink

[thereisnospoon]

I suppose most people really won't ever know about "what if", because they will relenquish their firearms and then say "What now?" looking to someone (the NRA???) to tell them it will be okay.

Cuchulainn started a thread about "Patriot Rhetoric, Good or Bad" a while back and if I remeber right it was a VERY hot topic, with basically two camps...

1) The Gov't will eventually come and we will go down fighting

2) We are all really a bunch of bed-wetting dreamers who relish the idea of going down "in a blaze of glory", but, who will in fact roll over and wet on ourselves when the JBTs show up (which they won't).

I fall into the first category of stary-eyed dreameing bed-wetters who relish the thought of a confrontation w/ gov't

[TallPine]

Beware of the old farts who don't want to spend their last days in a nursing home anyway

And that's all I have to say about that :p

[Rezin]

Well, I'd TRY to BS them that I don't have any.................. but if it wasn't a case of being ASKED....................from my cold, dead fingers.....................

[longeyes]

Beware of the old farts who don't want to spend their last days in a nursing home anyway

And that's all I have to say about that

I've been spending a lot of time as a visitor in such a place recently. There's much to be said for the aforequoted point of view. Better to go untubed.

[Biker]

Yes. My wife works in such a place and I spend time up there also. Sometimes I play and teach guitar for them, sometimes I sneak one or two of the more mobile residents out into the parking lot for a couple of laps on my Harley. I ride a 1949 Shovel/Pan and you'd be amazed at how many of the old ladies there say "My husband courted me on a bike just like that!"

In any case, most wish that they hadn't made it as far as the nursing home. I tend to agree.
Biker

[Correia]

For those of you wondering if internet gun boards are being monitored by the government. YES. Yes, gun boards are read and monitored by the government.

I'm not joking. Take me at my word for this.

How often? I don't know.

Do not talk about doing anything illegal. Don't brag about anything illegal that you have done. When us Mods caution some of you from advocating illegal activity, we are doing it because we know that it can come back and burn you.

[grampster]

I, myself, personally have never done an illegal thing. Ever. In my life.

Why, I don't even think evil or illegal thoughts. In order for me to assist those of you who are worried about confiscation, as I am this pure as the riven snow individual, I will happily store all your firearms and ammo in a safe place. I will not reveal that safe place to anyone. Really, I won't.

Feel free to PM me for the address for which you may send me your contraband. :p

[JJpdxpinkpistols]

I, myself, personally have never done an illegal thing. Ever. In my life.

I jaywalked once. But I don't think I was CC at the time. Does that count?

[nfl1990]

think I'll have my graphic artist friend make up a "tinfoil hat club" card and have it laminated to show the "unaware" exactly where I stand. I don't much care to be mis-understood.

Would there be anyway I could get one of those.

[Wastemore]

Would there be anyway I could get one of those.

Give me some time to get something together to give to him and I'll be happy to send ya one. You'll have to laminate it yourself, but I'll be happy to provide the "card".

[Ironbarr]

Personally, as a law enforcement officer, if I were given such an order, that would be the exact second that I quit. I know lots of others who feel the same way.Thank you... I know it wouldn't be easy.

I surely hope all others - plus the military would do the same.

If so, we'd have to be looking hard at the new hires taking (your) place(s) - and their incentives.

[Gordon Fink]

Beware of the old farts who don’t want to spend their last days in a nursing home anyway.…

Not to worry. You will already be dead, and your grandchildren will probably be happy to get rid of those dangerous weapons they inherited.

~G. Fink

[Ridge]

I wouldn't hand my firearms over.

They would earn taking my rifle and pistol from my corpse.

[Lupinus]

Im surprised at the amount of fight untill the end.

The goverment has the planes and tech to take you on and fighting one on one isn't going to help if the day comes.....not that lil ol me would ever advocate fighting the federal goverment. I mean come on. Look at how I feel about some little snot coming to pick up my daughter with an illegaly carried firearm :D Im a good honost lil boy honest.

I fully expected to see more disassemble and hide the pieces type answers then I did from my cold dead hands answers

[Jeff White]

You all are missing the war. Yep, that's right, it's being fought right now, not with bullets but with words. If we lose this war, all of your doomsday fantasies about the authorities prying your guns from your cold dead fingers will prove to be just that, fantasies.

Few of you will have what it takes to live as an outlaw. Imagine moving constantly, never sleeping in the same place for more then a couple nights. Now imagine travelling in a small group of fellow patriots, you'll always be tired because no one gets a full night's sleep anymore, your turn at watch breaks into your rest. How will you support yourself? It's hard to hold down a job while living on the run. Think that there will be a vast underground organization of safe houses and a support infrastructure? How will you know who these people are? How will you know if you can trust them? What about the more unsavory types you'll have to associate with?

Why don't you go out and try living this way for two weeks and report back on how you enjoyed being a freedom fighter.

You all can entertain yourselves with these Walter Mitty fantasies, but those of us who are in the trenches right now working to keep things from getting to the point where your fantasies become reality could use your help.

Jeff

[Working Man]

as I am this pure as the riven snow individual

From what I heard "riven snow" is not all that pure. :neener:

.... and I sold all my guns to pay for school.:evil:

[Gordon Fink]

Im surprised at the amount of fight untill the end.

It’s just bluster.

No one fought after the National Firearms Act or the various Uniform Firearms Acts or the Gun Control Act or the machine-gun ban or the “assault-weapons ban.”

~G. Fink

[Biker]

If today, an announcment were made that tomorrow, gun confiscation, forcible if necessary would begin, the ground in every town, large and small would be littered with the bodies of civilians and BATF agents by noon. I've no doubt about that. Neither does our government. That's why they're slipping it in an inch at a time. As long as we have our big-screen tvs and pizza so we can enjoy the 'big game', we'll consent to losing a bit here and there until we've lost it all.
Bread and circuses...
Biker

[Standing Wolf]

Aw, heck. It couldn't happen here.

[f4t9r]

I would say What guns. I have changed my wicked ways and
Sold them all

[TallPine]

If mass confiscations ever occur, it won't be because of X law that got passed banning guns outright...

It will be because of some emergency law "just in case" of a pandemic of bird flu (etc) or "terrorist attack" - then after some length of time, there will conveniently be such an "emergency" :uhoh:

We've already seen this on a small scale in New Orleans :(

So "working within the system" is only good up to a certain point.

And remember what Solchenystin (spelling?) said ;)

I hope the dang feds are reading these threads and counting the cost:evil:

[1911 guy]

If today, an announcment were made that tomorrow, gun confiscation, forcible if necessary would begin, the ground in every town, large and small would be littered with the bodies of civilians and BATF agents by noon. I've no doubt about that. Neither does our government. That's why they're slipping it in an inch at a time. As long as we have our big-screen tvs and pizza so we can enjoy the 'big game', we'll consent to losing a bit here and there until we've lost it all.
Bread and circuses...
Biker

Biker, as a somewhat student of history, I agree completely. Rome took over 300 years to die, and when sacked, the "emperor" was a teenager that the Vandals (tribe, not delinquents) let go because he was very unimportant. Incrementalism. That's what will kill us and it's happening right now.

[ChopperKen]

Yup Janitor, Sarah's dressed in just a thong and a smile.
Biker


I think I can get the big chunks out of the keyboard,the small ones may be a problem though...:o
Ken
They couldn't find all of them anyway,mine are spread out....:D

[solareclipse]

I don't have any guns. Only 40 acres of land. :D

[Solo]

A massivly unfortunate boating accident.

[AirForceShooter]

Guns officer?
What guns?

AFS

[GigaBuist]

Few of you will have what it takes to live as an outlaw. Imagine moving constantly, never sleeping in the same place for more then a couple nights. Now imagine travelling in a small group of fellow patriots, you'll always be tired because no one gets a full night's sleep anymore, your turn at watch breaks into your rest. How will you support yourself? It's hard to hold down a job while living on the run. Think that there will be a vast underground organization of safe houses and a support infrastructure? How will you know who these people are? How will you know if you can trust them? What about the more unsavory types you'll have to associate with? I ponder upon this frequently. Sad, really, that these thoughs even occur to me in the Land of the Free.

[Bigjake]

for not reading the entire post, my answer is;

Come and take em', you dirty liberal bastards.

we may not end up at the same place but we'll sure as hell start together.

[RocketMan]

We saw this recently on a small scale in NOLA.
Lots of shot JBT and citizens doing the "cold dead hands" thing.
We all saw the videos. Yup.

Seriously, .gov gleaned a lot of good information about what will likely happen on both sides when the time comes. LEOs, active military and NG willing to confiscate, and citizens willing to comply.
A few of the confiscators voiced misgivings, but in the end all went along with the program.
A bunch of citizens got to wear those neat little tie wrap cuffs, too.

[TallPine]

A few of the confiscators voiced misgivings, but in the end all went along with the program.

IMO, that was because:

1) there were little or no communications available so no one knew what was happening until it happened to them

2) no one dreamed such a confiscation would actually take place under those circumstances, so no one was prepared for it - hard to resist when you are standing on the front porch smiling at the nice law officers and they suddenly point guns at you at demand that you hand over your weapons


But we know better now, don't we ;)

[RocketMan]

Tallpine,

Look again at the operative word in my statement that you quoted. It was "confiscators", in other words, the people taking the weapons from law abiding citizens. They are the ones that showed some misgivings but in the end went along with the program.
Doesn't that cause you some concern?

[TallPine]

Sorry, I misread your post, Rocketman :o

Yeah, that causes me some concern... as do a number of other things that I try to prepare for ;)

I just hope the would-be confiscators are a bit concerned, too :p

(you know, there's not enough of them to hit everyone in the US on the same night)