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patentmike
October 20, 2005, 12:29 AM
I ran across a model 58 and don't know much about them. It sure looks a lot like the 1100, although I didn't have one right there to compare it to. Is the 58 a good gun?

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Jagermeister
October 20, 2005, 10:33 AM
I have one in mint condition. Also has the engraving inlaid with 12 carrot gold. Yes! It is a very good shotgun. My dad left me mine, and he bought it new. Mine has a poly choke and is great for turkey shoots, and birds.

JM

SwampWolf
October 20, 2005, 12:58 PM
The Model 58, Remington's first gas-operated shotgun, was made from 1956 to 1964, when it was replaced by the 1100. In many ways, I prefer the 58 to the 1100 but absolute reliability, especially when mixing loads, is not one of them.

patentmike
October 21, 2005, 01:39 AM
I'm sure they had their reasons for designing the 1100, but they might have had to do with manufacturing costs rather than function. I'm thinking for $200I might take a chance on the 58. It looks like a lot of parts are identical to the 1100.

ReadyontheRight
October 21, 2005, 07:05 PM
I love the old "dial a duck" Sportsman 58. Mostly because mine was from my father. It WILL jam if you don't dial the gas porting correctly for the load.

$200 seems a good price. I've seen many between $180 - $250, but usually pretty beat up.

Skofnung
October 21, 2005, 07:44 PM
With my mom's old '58 20 Gauge. Lots of fond memories and lots of empty 20 gauge hulls there.

They are good guns, if a little quirky. I've never had a problem with mom's, except when I decided to tear it all the way down to give it a real cleaning.

I ended up needing the help of my 90 year old grandfather (who happens to be the smartest and most mechanically inclined person to have ever walked this green earth :D ) to get it back together. I've never had such trouble with a gun... and I've fooled with a bunch of 'em.

Oh, if you want more than three shots, you are out of luck. The mag tube is blocked by the gas system and can't be extended or unplugged like the later 1100.

For the asking price, I'd get it if I had the money.

patentmike
October 23, 2005, 10:03 AM
Come to think of it, the one I looked at has a dial. I assume you set it according to what sort of load you are using?

Starter52
October 23, 2005, 11:59 AM
I've been told that Remington replaced the Model 58 because it just wouldn't hold up to a lot of shooting. Fine for hunters, but target shooters (trap, mostly) found them breaking down after a season or two. The 1100 was Remington's first gas shotgun that would handle a lifetime of target shooting.

braton1
August 26, 2007, 09:06 PM
My dad gave me a model 58 for my birthday last year. Its a 16 gauge the works perfect. Except for one thing, i have no idea how to use the "dial a duck." Please if anyone has any knowledge on this please give me details. Thanks

braton1
August 26, 2007, 09:08 PM
My dad gave me a model 58 for my birthday last year. Its a 16 gauge the works perfect. Except for one thing, i have no idea how to use the "dial a duck." Please if anyone has any knowledge on this please give me details. You can reach me at burkes10us@hotmail.com and i would appreciate any and all instructions.

ReadyontheRight
August 27, 2007, 10:52 AM
I've learned more about old shotguns since posting this 2 years ago.

When people say "Dial a Duck", they refer to a choke system at the end of the barrel. I think it was almost always an aftermarket item.

The Remington "Dial-a-Matic" is the venting system on the magazine cap of your Remington model 58.

Here are the instructions from the owner's manual.

Light and Heavy Load Selection

The magazine cap is vented to reduce the recoil and ensure proper operation of your shorgun when firing light or heavy loads including the MAGNUM loads. Rotate the "Dial-a-Matic" selector ("L" - Light, "H" - Heavy) clockwise towards the barrel to match any of the three raised marks on the magazine cap. This will vent the piston mechanism sufficiently for the load used.

FOr the "Sporttsman"-58 STANDARD model (2 3/4 in. chamber), match the "H" letter on the selector to the raised mark on the cap when shooting heavy or standard length MAGNUM loads. Match the "L" letter to the raised mark for light loads. For rifled slugs or 00 buckshot, match the "L" letter to the raised mark on the cap.

For the "Sportsman"-58 12 gauge MAGNUM model (3 in. chamber), match the "H" letter to the raised mark when shooting 3 inch Magnum shells. When shooting 2 3/4 inch standard length Magnum shells in this model match the "L" letter to the raised mark on the cap.

Here is the place to get old owner's manuals from Remington:

http://www.remington.com/library/downloads/owners_manuals.asp

ArmedBear
August 27, 2007, 11:01 AM
The Sportsman 58 is a neat gun.

One change with the 1100 was the slit in the receiver extending back from the bolt handle slot. That was added because the 58 could crack at that spot, and the slit adds enough "give" to the receiver to alleviate the problem.

That doesn't mean the 58 will crack with normal shooting and normal loads. I'd just suggest you don't overdo it. Too many heavy loads can, of course, blast anything apart, like my old BT-99 trap single, or even an 870 (that does take a lot, but it can happen).

The 58's I've seen have been really attractive guns, and they shoot well.

Big Az Al
August 27, 2007, 11:25 AM
SwampWolf

The Model 58, Remington's first gas-operated shotgun, was made from 1956 to 1964, when it was replaced by the 1100. In many ways, I prefer the 58 to the 1100 but absolute reliability, especially when mixing loads, is not one of them.

Wasn't it the 878? it was sold for such a short time I have only seen one or two, REM's first gas operated shotgun!

The 58 used the same gas system as the 878, with addition of the gas regulating cap. But went to action parts more similair to the later 1100's.

The 1100 did away with the gas system in the mag tube, thus allowing all of the magazine capacity to possibly be usefull, with a much improved action.

the 11-87 using the same action, tries to make the gass system more versitle so a wider seliction of loads my be used.

To me the only draw back to the 58 is the need to understand what is a light or heavy load! shooting heavy loads on the light load gas setting puts loads of strain on action parts.

As with my Browning A5 if there is any doubt about what the shells being shot are, set it for the heavy loads, if it is a mixed bag of light and heavy definitly leave it on the heavy setting. A one shot auto is much better then a jammed or broken shotgun!


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10X
August 28, 2007, 02:56 PM
Big Az Al,

The 58 was indeed replaced by the 878 and inturn the 878 was replaced by the 1100. My dad had an 878 he got from an uncle of mine who blew off the barrel. Dad got the barrel trimmed to 19 inches and bought a 28" modified choke barrel that he used all the time. He never used the 19" barrel.

It had a 3 shot capacity from the factory and no adjustment was needed for high or low brass shells. I can't tell you the number of pheasants, ducks and doves that gun took. It worked 100% all the time.

Not a common gun at all. I sold it with most of dad's other guns after he died and gave the money to my mother as he wished.

I miss that gun and treasure the memories.

rlbooker
September 8, 2007, 02:46 PM
You might note that you can drill 870 Remington Pump barrels with gas ports and use on 58 Sportsman. It makes this shotgun more verisatule

cordell
December 18, 2008, 08:22 AM
Hello All,
Let's get this thread started again!! Several years ago we were stopped at a yard sale and I noticed a fellow at the back of the house with a shotgun on his tailgate! I asked the lady what was going on and she said "that's my husband and he is having a guy yardsale". I went back and there sitting on the taigate was a .16 gauge Remington 58 and several barrels. Long story short I walked away with the shotgun and 4 barrels. The barrels consisted of a 26" IC barrel, a 26" skeet with vent rib, and two 28" full choke barrels.

I just had one of the full choke barrels shortened, crowned, fitted with the old style Remington sights, and blued, that the smith did a wonderful job on!!! I have owned a Remington Mod 48 since the 60's and love it but actually prefer this 58 over my old standby! The improved cylinder barrel is excellent on Quail and the 58 stock just fits me perfectly!! So for those of you who say your not stopping at yard sales, you had better start..........I am hooked..............BTW the gun and 4 barrels cost me $225.........Take care and God bless. cordell

Virginian
December 18, 2008, 08:50 AM
The 58 is a fine gun. I was all set to buy one when Big Green introduced the 1100. I got one of those and never looked back. If you look, it is not hard to see that all of Remington's repeater shotguns since have evolved in one way or another from the 870. The biggest 'refinement' step before the new bottom ejector model was the 1100. That was where they went to the extended barrel tang, which basically ended any kinds of receiver issues with the semi autos in 12 gauge, and the outside the magazine tube gas system which increased the capacity for the 1100, and showed the way for all the other gas semis that followed.
A very good friend and his Dad took me hunting a lot in the early '60s, and they both had 58s, and I got to shoot them a lot, and loved the feel of them. I don't ever remember any problems.

cordell
December 18, 2008, 12:14 PM
Virginian,
I have owned several 1100's through the years and all of them were excellent. As a matter of fact I still have an old steel frame 1100 in .20 gauge with an extra slug barrel that has turned into a safe Queen over the years. But getting back to the Mod 58, I think the fact that this shotgun fits me perfectly, and I hit what I shoot at, has a lot to do with me liking it so much. Years ago (late 60's) I had an old Winchester Mod 24 that was heavy and sort of a plain Jane shotgun. However it was one of those guns that fit me perfectly and some of the shots I made with that double were impressive to say the least. Here's the rub, all my friends had Parkers, L.C. Smiths, Sterlingworths etc and I wanted to move up a bit!! Well I traded a fellow the 24 and some cash for a L.C. Smith Ideal grade and have been sorry ever since. I couldn't hit a barn with it if I was inside it!!!!! I tried other Mod 24's over the years but they just weren't the same!!!!! So now that I have found this little fellow I think I will stick with it, and pass it on along with the rest of the clutter in my safe to my Grandson....... With all this said I will agree with you, that for the money the 1100 is probably the best semi auto on the market and for that matter the old 870 fits that description as well. Take care and God bless you and yours over this upcoming CHRISTmas. cordell

Virginian
December 18, 2008, 01:34 PM
cordell,
In 60 years, I have sold 2 guns I really regretted selling. One was a handgun, and the other was a 1974 870 Wingmaster Magnum that I could shoot better than any shotgun before or since. After several tries, I now have a 1976 vintage model that feels the same. I plan to keep this one. Very close in feel is my original 1963 1100. I had enuf sense to keep that one - just got 4 more.

cordell
December 18, 2008, 06:16 PM
Hello Virginian,
I think we have all let some treasures go that we wish we still had!!! The funny part is both of us mentioned something we could truly shoot well and not the ones that if we had kept would have been worth the most money!!!! My how priorities change over the years ;-)...;-)... You mentioned the fact that you just picked up 4 more........... are they 1100's????.

I just picked up a Kimber Ultra Carry II that I have fallen into a bad case of "LIKE++++" with. Again with this rascal I can actually hit something and it fits my hand perfectly. I ordered a set of Elephant ivory grips for it, and next on the agenda will be locating a scrimshander to scratch a few lines on them. .............................Just another investment in my Grandsons collection ;-). BTW are you from Virginia originally or is Virginian just your handle??????? Take care and God bless you and yours. cordell

Virginian
December 18, 2008, 07:50 PM
Yes, I bought 4 more 1100s, a 12 Magnum (after shooting the '63 with a 3" barrel for 20 years), an LT20, a 28, and an LT20 youth for my stepson.
I am from Virginia, and I will always miss it. I am afraid the only way I will ever get back there for good is in a box.

cordell
December 19, 2008, 12:41 PM
Hello Virginian,
We are located in Chatham, which is in south central Virginia almost at the N.C. border. I am glad to see that someone is buying up some of the semi auto shotguns. There really is a chance they may have severe restrictions on them in the near future. People is this area have been buying up AR 15 type rifles in fear of the fact they may be pulled off the market, I certainly hope not...BUT???????

I may try to pick up an 1100 LW 20ga myself. I had one years ago and it was heck on the squirrel population here on the farm, but had a full choke barrel and was a little tight for birds. I think if I look hard enough I will be able to find one of the older models with an IC and pick it up. Well we are off to the vets with 3 dogs in a horse trailer for their shots so I had better close for now. Take care and God bless. cordell

FisherKing
January 2, 2009, 09:05 PM
Virginian, You may get a kick out of this. I was born in Virginia, but spent much of my childhood moving around. At the age my father gave me my first shotgun (rem 870) I was living in Oxford OH. The first shots I took with that shotgun were in a corn field just north of town. I moved around a lot more after that and ended up settling back down here in Virginia Beach. The funny thing is, I spent years wanting to get back to Oxford before I truly realized that Virginia is my home. Being as small as it is, I didn't expect to see anybody from Oxford online, especially someone with a screen name like yours.

Anyway, back on topic, I just bought a 58 sportsman and it's the first I've handled. I haven't shot it yet, but it has a nice feel and the craftsmanship is awesome, but then I would expect no less from Remington. I'm shopping for a good price on an 1100 but they seem to fetch a pretty high price, so I may not find one before the next big ban. We'll see.

Virginian
January 3, 2009, 12:07 AM
I used to go quail hunting in Princess Anne County (before the present day Virginia Beach was ever dreamed of) back in the early '60s, and spent a lot of time at Sandbridge. I grew up halfway between Williamsburg and Jamestown back when that was out in the country. Literally shot ducks waiting for the school bus (if I was lucky). Killed my first limit of doves in King and Queen County in 1964, with my new the fall before Model 1100. The man and his son who took me both had Model 58s. I liked the feel of those 58s, and would have bought one if the 1100 hadn't come out. Very similar feeling I think.
I went thru several shotguns before that 1100 made the term wingshooting more than a dream to me. There was a Winchester skeet and trap range just outside town where I killed a many a clay pigeon learning to be better. They were always trying to talk me into trying a Winchester shotgun, but when I finally did, I went about half a round before I went and got my 1100 back.
After college, I went to work at Chesapeake in West Point, Va., and moved around a lot since with mostly Pulp and Paper.
I live outside Oxford... don't want too much of that Miami U. liberal crowd to rub off. Reminds me a lot of William and Mary. It really isn't a bad area, but it's a far cry from home.
Have a happy and prosperous 2009 y'all.

Norbster86
January 8, 2009, 09:05 AM
Just picked up a sportsman 58 over the weekend. The thing is very clean and fires like a dream. It came with a factory full choke barrel, 30". Does anyone know if it's okay to shoot steel loads through it? I know an 870 barrel can have vents drilled into it and work with the 58 but I'd rather not spend the money now. Thanks!

Tom Held
January 8, 2009, 10:07 AM
For $200 buy it. I just sold a model 58 in 28 gauge, plain barrel to a friend who has been bugging me for years for $500. Tom

kjohn
March 12, 2009, 03:01 AM
I, too, just bought a 58 this weekend at a gun show in Moose Jaw, SK. I asked the seller to take it home with him, as we live in the same town, and I was headed the other way to work. It has lots of "character" and lots of charm. I ordered a manual from Remington online. I see from the previous posts that I need to pay attention to which load I am shooting and set it properly. I will try to keep it light. I like to use a semi for shooting gophers in vacant farm yards. Great fun and no nasty ricochets.:p:p I paid $300 for it and a nice old Winchester model 37 single shot.

cordell
March 12, 2009, 12:02 PM
kjohn,
You did great, and you will not regret it!!! Both the 58 Rem and the 37 Win are excellent guns with the 37 certainly doing excellent as far as the appreciation factor goes. My Remington manual took 2 months to get here but well worth the price ($0):):):).........

Good luck with your new treasures, I hope your 58 fits you as well as mine!!!!!! Take care and God bless. cordell

JimKirk
March 14, 2009, 09:58 PM
The Crack in the ejection port can be stopped if it is caught early ...simply drill a very very small hole in the recevier at the stock end of the crack! Be sure only to drill thru the recevier wall not anything else. I have drilled several myself ...so far the cracks have not progressed any farther.

Jimmy K.

Maelstrom
March 14, 2009, 10:34 PM
I almost feel bad mentioning that I bought a fully engraved 12 gauge 58 for $80 outside of a gun buyback a couple of months ago.

It supplements a similarly engraved 16 gauge I already had.

TucsonRider
April 10, 2009, 05:20 PM
I've owned this gun for about 40 years. Part of a trade for a car..long story.
It has been used by everybody but me and some time ago my brother told me that the action would not cycle correctly.

I finally got the gun back a couple of years ago and took it to a gun shop here in Tucson that has done work on some other guns of mine. He found some broken parts, etc and after $180 parts and labor admitted that he just could not get it to cylce consistently. It does have the poly choke.

I took it to the range yesterday and tried to see if I could get it to work...frankly the only way I could get it to cycle consistently was to use rifled slugs with the gas set on L.

I haven't cleaned this gun after this firing, but I just thought I would ask if there is something "unusual" about this gun not cycling poperly.

Thanks for your help.

PS. I've read the posts on some of this and it appears other folks are not having this kind of problem, so I assume this is or was a good gun.

phalanx
May 3, 2009, 11:27 AM
'cordell' re: yardsales.
You have to watch those yardsales. On business in Maine I hit the local yardsales to pass some time. Found one where the retired fella had sold his entire collection at his yardsale. I bought the last one - a 58 FC 12 ga in nice shape for $150.00. No idea what I missed but i will be earlier next time.

eclarsen
November 15, 2009, 09:46 PM
I got my 58 from my uncle. He got it from a friend that tossed it in a trash can. My uncle asked him if he minded if my uncle rescued it. He said no, so my uncle took it home with him.

The reason my uncle's friend threw it away was that he googed while reloading shotgun shells and he goofed a second time by taking a second shot when the first one sounded odd. Seems one of his shells didn't have any powder in it or not nearly enough. The shot made it up near the end of the barrel. He obvioulsy didn't realize what happened with the previous shot and fired again, bulging the barrel. He was so disgusted with himself that he tossed the shotgun.

My uncle retrieved the shotgun, cut off the bulged part of the barrel and used it for years before giving it to me.

I used it on desert quail while in school at the UA in Tucson in the 80's.

Recently, I found a slug barrel on-line and have harvested a few deer in the IL woods. For a gun last produced in the 60's, it is still doing very well.

Old 58
November 28, 2009, 04:32 PM
Greetings all, new poster here and I have a problem with my 58. This was my fathers gun and the problem I'm having is that it will not stay open after the last shot. Other than that it functions perfectly, feeds, ejects, no problem. It's just after that last shot the action does not stay open. Any ideas? Can this be fixed by a DIY gunsmith? I've gotten into sporting clays and would like to get this gun up and running.
Thanks

mofugly13
November 30, 2009, 01:07 AM
Greetings all, new poster here and I have a problem with my 58. This was my fathers gun and the problem I'm having is that it will not stay open after the last shot. Other than that it functions perfectly, feeds, ejects, no problem. It's just after that last shot the action does not stay open. Any ideas? Can this be fixed by a DIY gunsmith? I've gotten into sporting clays and would like to get this gun up and running.
Thanks

I have the same problem with my 58. I cannot get the action to stay open. Hope someone can point us to an answer...

Virginian
November 30, 2009, 03:24 AM
Although a crudded up magazine tube can do it also, the most likely cause is a bent carrier latch. Just like the 1100, don't drop the hammer with the trigger group out of the gun. You can try re-bending it to the correct shape, but my advice would be to buy another one. $7 from Numrich.

mofugly13
November 30, 2009, 07:46 PM
Thanks. I took my trigger group out today to see if the carrier latch looked bent. It did not, but I looked at the schematic and picture of the part on Numrich, and it seems there is a little 'tit' of metal at the top of the latch missing from mine.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/mofugly13/SPT58CarrierLatchEdited.jpg

The part circled is not on my latch. Is that the part that holds the action open?
I've got one on the way.

Virginian
November 30, 2009, 08:14 PM
Usually you see them bent, not broken, but a new one ought to fix you up. The tab on the carrier goes into the slot on the latch.

Old 58
November 30, 2009, 08:49 PM
Thanks. I took my trigger group out today to see if the carrier latch looked bent. It did not, but I looked at the schematic and picture of the part on Numrich, and it seems there is a little 'tit' of metal at the top of the latch missing from mine.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/mofugly13/SPT58CarrierLatchEdited.jpg

The part circled is not on my latch. Is that the part that holds the action open?
I've got one on the way.

I too took mine apart today and thats exactly how mine looked, that little "tit" is missing. Looked at it under a magnifying glass and it does appear a bit jagged, so I ordered a new one from Numrich. Will let you know how I make out when I get it.
Thanks!!!

Old 58
December 5, 2009, 12:54 PM
Got the latch today, didn't look as robust as the original but went ahead and installed it. Put it all back together and manually cycled it. No go, still wont stay open :confused:. Is this normal or does it actually have to be fired for it to stay open? Not really sure of the operation, but I would imagine even a manual cycle would keep the action open. Any thoughts? mofugly13 how did you make out?

Virginian
December 5, 2009, 11:27 PM
Is your carrier dog, carrier dog follower, and spring clean and working freely?

mofugly13
December 6, 2009, 02:47 AM
I just got the email from numrich yeaterday that my part had shipped, so I don't think I'll see it until Monday at the soonest. However, today I got the "Remington Sportsman 58 Takedown Guide" from A&J arms. There is a pretty good picture of the trigger group with the carrier latch follower, and there is no "tit" on the one in the picture. In examining the trigger group and the bolt, it seems that the carrier dog is supposed to latch into the bottom of the slide that the bolt sits on, and that is how the bolt is held to the rear. I ordered a factory manual from Remington last week, I hope that when it arrives, it will shed some light on the situation.

Virginian
December 6, 2009, 11:27 AM
I know how it works, the carrier dog engages the action bar, but I didn't realize the 58 latch was different. The next shell trips the carrier latch and releases it. The latch is the problem 95% of the time. Otherwise it has to be the dog is not engaging the bar for some reason. I have seen them "frozen" in position on the carrier from a little corrosion, as well as the spring and follower bound up.

Old 58
December 6, 2009, 04:33 PM
Is your carrier dog, carrier dog follower, and spring clean and working freely?

Every thing clean and freely working . I'm also waiting for the factory manual from Remington, so hopefully that will shed some light on our situation. Thanks, and I'll keep ya's posted.

mofugly13
December 6, 2009, 05:10 PM
I'm unclear as to what the carrier latch "releases" when it is tripped. I see how the latch is tripped by either the next shell striking it, or by pushing the carrier release. But with the latch in its un-tripped (forward) position, the carrier is still able to be pushed upward manually, as if to elevate the next shell into loading position. By looking at the mechanism, it looks like the carrier latch should hold the carrier, somehow, in the down position until it (the latch) is tripped. I cannot see any protrusion, tab, or ?? on the latch that would interfere with the carrier, keeping it from rotating up to place the next shell into the loading position.

I'll upload some photos in a sec, I gotta get the Christmas Tree inside right now...

mofugly13
December 6, 2009, 06:07 PM
It seems to me that somewhere in the red circle, there should be a protrusion on the latch to hold the carrier in the down position. Or, perhaps, something on the carrier that would engage the latch when the latch is in the forward position??

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/mofugly13/IMG_0017Circle.jpg

Boy it sure looks filthy in there when you get a real close-up look! FWIW, everthing pivots/moves freely. There is no binding of any parts of the trigger mechanism.


Also, if I hold the bolt open and stick my finger into the ejection port, if I hold the carrier in the down position, the bolt will stay locked open. So, what is it about the latch that keeps the carrier in the down position?

mofugly13
December 8, 2009, 12:06 AM
I believe I have it figured out, there is clearly a tab or something broken off of the carrier itself where I've indicated with the green circle. The edge there is rough and it make sense that there would be something there to engage the square hole in the carrier latch. Virginian, does that sound about right?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/mofugly13/IMG_0017CroppedGreenCircle.jpg

Hope Numrich hs a new carrier assembly in stock...

mofugly13
December 8, 2009, 12:34 AM
A few questions...

Are the carrier assemblies for the 58 the same as for the 1100? Brownells has a factory assembly for an 1100 for $24.85. Numrich has a carrier assembly for the 58 for $24.60. On the Numrich site the part numbers for the 1100 and 58 are different for the carrier assemblies. I assume Numrich's parts are new factory parts unless indicated otherwise, right?

I also assume the carrier assembly inculdes the carrier dog, seeing as how it's riveted to the carrier at the factory?

Virginian
December 8, 2009, 06:34 AM
I apologise, I was thinking the 1100 and 58 carriers were the same, and they are not. So much for memory. The 1100 has the release button in the carrier and the part that engages the carrier latch is attached to that. I can only assume the 58 had a piece that engages the latch on the carrier itself, and as you noted yours appears to be missing that part. I do not know if an 1100 carrier, with all the release parts, would fit or not. Do you know anyone with an 1100 who would let you try that?

Old 58
December 8, 2009, 09:40 AM
The edge there is rough and it make sense that there would be something there to engage the square hole in the carrier latch

Good eye mofugly.....I just checked my carrier with a magnifying glass and it too appears to be rough like something has broken. Anyone out there with a 58 that can take a picture of the suspected carrier or verify mofugly's findings? We sure would appreciate it.......

mofugly13
December 8, 2009, 08:50 PM
Here's a couple of photos a friend from another website I frequent ( www.coloradoK5.com ) posted for me:

http://coloradok5.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=93978&d=1260310705


http://coloradok5.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=93979&d=1260310705

And his response:

you found the problem in the last pic. there should be a little tab sticking up towards that rectangular hole. it is supposed to curve up a little, kind of like a slide on a kids playground. the tip of is just pokes through the hole until you push up on the button or a shell pushes it back. here are a couple pics of my 1100 trigger housing. sorry i couldn't get closer, the camera wouldn't stay in focus.

I ordered the carrier group from Numrich yesterday, but I don't know what the "group" consists of. I hope it at least has the carrier dog riveted to it.

Old 58
December 10, 2009, 09:08 AM
I ordered the carrier group from Numrich yesterday, but I don't know what the "group" consists of. I hope it at least has the carrier dog riveted to it.

OK, lets give this a try. On order and waiting for delivery.

mofugly13
December 11, 2009, 07:56 PM
I think we a are on the right track. I ordered a field service manual fot the rem 58 from www.noveltyguns.com. It doesn't have any pictures, but it does have a lot of well done sketches, and the sketch of the carrier shows a little tab as part of the carrier that engages the square hole in the carrier latch. So that's good news. Another piece of good news is that it identifies the carrier assembly as consisting of the carrier and the carrier dog.

mofugly13
December 14, 2009, 08:00 PM
I got the carrier group today, it has the carrier dog riveted to it and includes the carrier release button and spring, got her installed, and we are in business. The bolt now locks back like it should, I can't wait to test fire it now. The invoice that came with the part shows it for an 1100 as well, so I guess it is the same part. The only reservation I have is that it's black parkerized, instead of stainless like the original, but that is just me being nit-picky. I would like to know which 1100 model came with a stainless carrier, so I can maybe buy that one straight from remington somewhere down the line. But, at least now we're fully functional. I'm a happy camper.

Old 58
December 14, 2009, 08:59 PM
Great news mofugly. Haven't received mine yet, hopefully tomorrow, then there will be 2 happy campers :D

Virginian
December 14, 2009, 09:25 PM
I have talked to some other folks. They tell me an 1100/11-87 carrier will work (and which is apparently what you got - the Sportsman models are flat black), but that the originals were chrome plated, just like the early 870 carriers, and that the tab that engages the latch was made as part of the carrier, not part of a seperate button like on the 1100. But, at least now you have a workable combination. 1100 carriers were never chromed, just the button. I will keep an eye out for an original 58 and try to get a picture. I used to clean 58s a lot, but it has been 47 years now.

Old 58
December 16, 2009, 09:05 PM
Well got the carrier group today and all is well. Like mofugly, it is black parkerized and came with the carrier dog riveted on. Locks in place just as it should. There were some minor differences on the new part. The carrier dog is reshaped a little, and there seems to be reinforcing ribs on the new tab on the carrier, and a larger pin on the release button. Here are a few pics of the old and new carrier group to show what was broke, and the changes. Hope this thread helps those in the future. Big thanks to mofugly13 and Virginian for their help.http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/BYjVVBi1ycEEl8pqMukgeQ?feat=directlink

mofugly13
December 16, 2009, 10:46 PM
Hooray! I'm very happy we got this worked out.

It was this post by Virginia that got me looking for the missing part on the carrier:

Usually you see them bent, not broken, but a new one ought to fix you up. The tab on the carrier goes into the slot on the latch.

Thanks, Virginian!

chuck61
December 28, 2009, 02:40 PM
Does any one know where I can get parts for a 58

Old 58
December 28, 2009, 07:56 PM
Heres (http://www.e-gunparts.com/products_new.asp?CatID=5678) where I got the parts I needed to get my 58 up and running.

chuck61
December 29, 2009, 09:08 AM
Thanks Old 58 I talked to thim and the part was out of stock. I need the action bar assembly:):):)

Old 58
December 29, 2009, 09:56 AM
He's (http://www.gun-parts.com/remingtonshotgun/) out too. Not sure where else you can get it. Good luck.

hydrology_joe
January 15, 2010, 03:11 PM
My friend inherited a Sportsman 58 which appears to have been never cleaned. Can anyone explain to me how to field strip it so I can get it cleaned for him?

Sam1911
January 15, 2010, 03:29 PM
1) Remove magazine cap.
2) Slide barrel and forearm off mag tube.
3) Pull cocking handle straight out of the bolt.
4) Slide bolt, carrier, slide, etc. forward until you can lift the action rails "button" up out of the gas piston, and then take everything forward out of the receiver.

I might have missed something, but that's the gist of it. The 11-48, Model 58, and the 878 are all in the same family (even though the 11-48 is recoil-operated instead of gas) and use a lot of the same parts. Disassembly is very similar, but not identical.

If you get into it, you should be able to figure your way through if I've missed any steps...

Be careful with that cocking handle. It slips into the "slide" and is held by a ball detent. That ball can get fiercly stuck and if it does, it isn't hard to damage the slide while trying to free it back up.

Here's a schematic:

http://www.e-gunparts.com/products_new.asp?CatID=5678

Good luck!

-Sam

mofugly13
January 15, 2010, 09:37 PM
So, has anyone here actually drilled gas ports in an 870 barrel for use on their SPT 58? I plan on doing this with an 870 barrl in the future, so I can have a barrel with interchangeable chokes.

I plan on locating the holes by placing the proper sized pin into my existing 58 barrels gas port(s), and then building a fixture for my drill press that will put that pin right into the chuck. Then remove the 58 barrel, insert 870 barrel and drill. Then set it up all over again for the second gas port.

Anyone got any better ideas??

kenshireen
January 31, 2010, 11:17 AM
My dad was a collector of guns and took immaculate care of his Sportman 58 12G. It actually looks about new although I remember we used it in the late 50's

I don't have much knowledge about this rifle and would like some information from you guys since you seem extremely knowledgable.

1-How can I tell is this is a magnum or standard
2-It does have a choke but I don't remember what was its purpose
3-There is a gas-vent with a H/L. I know this means high load or light but what setting would I use for a slug.
4-How many cartidges does it hold.

I know some of these sound ignorant but I cannot remember how we used it going back so long

Thank you
Ken

Dave McCracken
January 31, 2010, 01:42 PM
1, they were,TTBOMK, 2 3/4" only.

2, choke is a constriction in the barrel to tailor the pattern for a given distance and target.

3,Heavy for slugs.

4,As many as you can get in. Probably 4 in the tube.

HTH....

Old 58
January 31, 2010, 03:23 PM
4,As many as you can get in. Probably 4 in the tube.

HTH....

The 58 holds a total of 3 rounds. 2 in the tube, 1 in the chamber. The piston assembly occupies the rest of the space in the tube.
Hope this helps.

Also, I just checked the owners manual, and it does mention a "MAGNUM". I would suggest to check the markings on the barrel and see if its marked 2 3/4" or 3". It also states that if its a standard, to set the "Dial-a Matic" to "L" for rifled slugs or OO buck.

Virginian
January 31, 2010, 08:34 PM
The Magnums I saw had 3" marked on the barrel and "Magnum" rollmarked on the receiver.

Old 58
May 26, 2010, 04:01 PM
Well, after digging out 60+ inches of snow this winter, scraping off 3 layers of wallpaper, picking up 5 layers of kitchen flooring and laying a new one, and painting the apartment, I finally got a chance to shoot the Sportsman 58 after the fix. So, after about 100 rounds at M&M Hunting Preserve over here in south Jersey, I'm proud to report not a single malfunction. Gun ran flawlessly. Now all I got to do, is do my part and hit them clays. Thanks again for all the help getting this gun up and running.

highorder
July 10, 2010, 06:14 PM
A friend just found a Sportsman 58.

Can anyone confirm the 870 barrel retrofit?

Virginian
July 11, 2010, 09:23 AM
An 870 barrel will fit, but it has to be drilled with the correct holes.

highorder
July 11, 2010, 09:27 AM
Thanks, further research confirms it.

How cool; the 58 really is just an autoloading 870.

mofugly13
May 11, 2012, 05:45 PM
Two weeks ago I ran 80+ rounds through my repaired 58 without a hiccup! I'd still love to hear if anyonme has any first hand experience with drilling an 870 barrel for gas ports.

btg3
May 11, 2012, 06:25 PM
Bunns on ebay sells Remmington shotgun parts and has offered 870 barrels saying they can be drilled for the 58 for a few dollars more IIRC. So he may have experience. He also list 58 barrels saying they'll fit 870.

I've bought other parts from him for my 58's in 20ga and 12ga -- both sweet shooters.

If anyone needs a forend for their 58, I have a couple of NOS plain wood without checkering. Also, the action bar and base.

mgbmeyer
May 21, 2012, 11:44 PM
This thread has been very helpful! I inherited my Uncle's Sprtsman 58 12 ga. back in the 1980s. I took it dove and quail hunting a few times but it jammed frequently, so I put it in the safe and forgot about it. I got it out recently and decided to get it up and running. I took it apart to clean it, and it was filthy....I mean really filthy. The barrel dates this one to Jan. 1958....I think my Uncle bought it new....I am not sure he ever cleaned it. The holes in the cap were pretty much sealed up with grime, and the piston and ring was all gunked up. The gas tube itself was pretty clean - I just cleaned it with a soft cloth. I noticed the bolt wouldn't stay open, and from this thread learned that the tab on the carrier group was broken off....a new carrier group is on order from Numrich. Also ordered a new receiver buffer. Mine has the dreaded crack in the receiver...but it is small enough (about 1/16") that I will keep a close eye on it. If it gets any bigger I will have it milled out. I am anxious to get this thing out and run a few rounds through it!

trinity gunsmithing
June 28, 2012, 05:32 PM
Any problems with feeding? My latch will stay open but will not feed. Could the lip be to long ?

HELP !!

Chris

mgbmeyer
July 30, 2012, 03:33 PM
Update - When I received the new carrier from Numrich, I opened the box and immediately noticed the part was used - OK, no problem - it is a 60 yr old shotgun, after all. Then I noticed the tab was broken off !!! Argh!!! So I called them and wound up returning it for exchange, explaining to them not to send me another broken one. They replaced it promptly, and a week or so later I received a good one with tab intact. This one was black instead of silver - no problem. When I installed it, the tab was actually a little too long (the silver release button on the bottom of the latch wouldn't depress - I couldn't load a shell), so I took some sandpaper and gently removed some of the tip of the tab....I assembled / disassembled /tested it a few times until I could finally push in the release button on the bottom and load a shell. I took it to the range last week and it ran like a sewing machine. Fired about 21 rds through it, and no jams or hiccups....and the bolt stayed open after the last shot. :):)

TomADC
July 30, 2012, 06:47 PM
I have a Winchester model 40 skeet gun I have no doubt why Winchester only had these a few years, the Remington 58 much better.

mgbmeyer
July 31, 2012, 01:05 AM
Here is a pic of the tab on the carrier assy that seems to break off frequently on the Remington Sportsman Model 58 (I borrowed this pic from a previous poster). You can see they had an engineering change and added the two vertical reinforcing ribs to strenthen the new one on the left. This tab holds the bolt open on the last shot....if the tab is broken, the gun will still fire fine, the bolt just won't stay open after the last shot (or when you open the bolt manually). The carrier assy is about $25-30 at Numrich, and just takes a few minutes to swap out.

These probably get broken off as people unfamiliar with the gun try to force the bolt closed by pushing on the bolt handle instead of pushing to release button on the bottom of the latch.

http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w473/mgbmeyer/CarrierGroup.jpg

ritepath
July 31, 2012, 10:45 PM
I have 3 12,16,20 that my Grandfather left me. They've all been carried and used, we get them out once or so a year and toss clays and shoot them.

ScattergunJunky
September 14, 2012, 04:11 PM
I'm brand new to THR and I like what I see amongst the communication. I too, inherited a Remington 58 in 20ga with a 28" modified choke, matching 5 digit s/n barrel 97XXX followed by an actual X which I have learned is Remington code for 20ga. I have not been able to figure out which grade I have. The wood is nice walnut and the fore arm is beautifully skip-checkered and looks hand cut. The butt stock checkering is less elaborate than the fore arm but is bordered by the same broad border as the fore arm. It has a normal vent rib barrel with the code Large "A" followed by Small (Half Sized) B, F, 7 and all letters are upper case letters. Using the posted Remington date codes I interpret this to be B=January F=1959 and makes sense with a s/n just 3000 short of 100,000. What throws me is the A being twice as large a letter. But if the date code did start with that large A the date would be March 1955. Some one of you Remington 58 owners will have a clue as to which it is. Since the 58 was supposedly introduced in 1956 is it possible that it was produced in the first quarter of 1955 for a release date in 1956?
The logical thought that I have come up with is that the Large "A" stands for ADL grade produced in January 1959. But this 58 is strikingly beautiful and about 98% blue; even on the sharp edges of the receiver and trigger group housing. There is no gold inlay engraving and the very elaborate detailed engraving looks to be C&C machine cut instead of stamped like the 1100s' are. There is no engraving on any part other than the receiver. Bright parts are the charging handle, bolt, shell lifter, release button and the trigger. The grip cap has what looks like a Lab Retriever holding a quail. If there is a web page out there that identifies each grade of the Model 58, Well, I sure have missed it. Any help from you members would really be appreciated. I am knowledgeable in other firearms and hope to contribute. Thanks in advance,

Old guns
September 15, 2012, 07:31 PM
I too am a forum newby but have my Dad's 58 and while it has sentimental value it is driving me crazy. Every third or fourth shot fails to eject. I have cleaned and cleaned. I replaced the O-ring in the forearm. My question is this, does the brand of shell make a difference to anyone. So far, I have tried rio's and Federals with the same results. Any help would be appreciated.

Virginian
September 16, 2012, 06:52 AM
Fore end cap must be set to the correct setting for the shells, and it most be functioning correctly. It controls how much gas is bled off versus how much works the action.
If you have a 58 and shoot it you may as well get to know a good gunsmith that works on them and has a source for parts, like Wiesners (http://www.wisnersinc.com). Sooner or later something will break. The point where the action bars connect to the gas piston is known for this. If/when it happens, don't freak, it CAN be fixed, and better than the original set up. A lot of people actually preferred the feel of the 58 to the later 1100, but the 1100 buried it popularity and durability wise. And the 58 isn't the easiest thing to clean.

Old guns
September 16, 2012, 08:26 AM
After a few shots, it will have a partial ejection. Spent shell sticking out of the receiver. When I remove the end cap, the holes are plugged with crud. I am shooting regular loads, so I have the cap set on L, but I have tried it on H with the same results.

Virginian
September 16, 2012, 05:30 PM
If the 1100 hadn't arrived, I was going to get a 58. A friend and his father had two, and I shot with them a lot, and their guns would go at least 200 rounds between cleanings, and I never knew them to fail from accumulated grime. The Federals I have shot aren't that dirty. I wonder if someone opened up the gas ports on yours and you are getting too much gas and residue into the gas system.

Old guns
September 21, 2012, 08:20 AM
Borrowed a new barrel this week with same results. Think I will try a new spring next.
Any other suggestions?

Old guns
October 4, 2012, 09:00 AM
Found a little crud in the extractor hole, cleaned and lubed. Put a little high temp grease on action slide..

jogar80
October 5, 2012, 04:08 PM
Found a little crud in the extractor hole, cleaned and lubed. Put a little high temp grease on action slide..
Cool deal. Glad you got it working! I just bought one of these. Can't wait to go try it out!

I'm just curious though, what constitutes a light or heavy load?

jogar80
October 7, 2012, 12:59 AM
Anyone?

Virginian
October 7, 2012, 10:17 AM
To me, anything 1-1/4 ounces at 1250 FPS or above is a heavy load.

mofugly13
October 7, 2012, 10:56 AM
I was told that you can tell by the shell itself and whether it has high brass=heavy load or low brass=light load.

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQGKtq3nqHBhShu6ICKGn-GsJcpWc7h5-GW6Lc-qCBy_mDuTixsnmXMg1_Myg

jogar80
October 7, 2012, 06:55 PM
Thanks, that helps

Sam1911
October 7, 2012, 09:16 PM
I was told that you can tell by the shell itself and whether it has high brass=heavy load or low brass=light load.

That's an imperfect measure, though. Nothing says that a load in a high brass shell has to be heavy, or vice-versa. Often they are, but not always.

btg3
October 8, 2012, 05:27 PM
Better safe than sorry. So, if there's any doubt, use the "H" setting. Then, you can switch to "L" if the gun doesn't cycle. Also, be sure it not set between "H" and "L". And finally, be sure that there a nylon bumper installed in the receiver behind the bolt.

My 20ga S58 fractured one arm of the action bar, which in turn split open the checkered forend. Not certain of the cause, but the nylon button was missing. Fortunately parts were available and my all-time favorite shotgun is good as new. I also have the S58 in 12ga. Both are a joy to shoot.

jogar80
October 8, 2012, 10:01 PM
What happens if its set between H and L? Just curious since you mentioned not to.

btg3
October 10, 2012, 07:47 AM
Notice the size of the gas relief holes for H and L. Between these settings there is no hole, thus the full force of the gas is directed to the action.

jogar80
October 10, 2012, 03:35 PM
got it, thanks!

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