what do you think about these little trigger-things (for FA firing w/o paperwork...)


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TMM
October 21, 2005, 06:16 PM
http://www.deltaforce.com/catalog/uniquetriggersystems.html

there's 3 there - are they good? are they worth it? etc - "your thoughts please..."

~TMM
(don't say "they waste ammo". i know that. but it's fun. why do you think there's FA shoots?)

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Father Knows Best
October 21, 2005, 06:24 PM
The GAT Trigger System got a good review over at AR15.com: http://www.ar15.com/content/products/triggers/gat/

I have no personal experience with any of them.

TMM
October 21, 2005, 06:40 PM
hmm- seems like you need to turn a crank handle rather than pull the trigger on the GAT...

mustanger98
October 21, 2005, 06:46 PM
Regarding those pseudo-full-auto gadgets, I think somebody saw somebody coming. IOW, gimmick alert.

R.W.Dale
October 21, 2005, 07:06 PM
I am pretty shure the people who buy these things drive camaro's still have a mullet on their head and actually think Motley Crew rocks. :neener: Those devices are off the chart corny.

TexasRifleman
October 21, 2005, 07:22 PM
Those devices are off the chart corny.

And off the chart crappy.

If you just have the crazy desire to waste a lot of ammo, google
a ridiculous thing called "bump firing". At least it doesn't require
buying some gizmo, just pants with belt loops.

For the record it does work, and it's totally worthless. I have witnessed
the act, and hid behind something thick while it was going on. :what:

Enjoy

benEzra
October 21, 2005, 09:05 PM
Absolutely and completely worthless, useful only for making noise.

Many/most don't even work if you are using a proper firing grip and have the rifle tightly shouldered (the crank ones are especially silly).

GunnySkox
October 21, 2005, 09:29 PM
There are worse ways to waste forty bucks than to get a nifty little crank thing to put on an AK to make it go "dakka-dakka!" just for the hell of it. You could even get a bipod and a 75 round drum and just "rock out" for the fun of it.

It is a gimmick, and nobody in their right mind would ever use crap like that for combat or otherwise important purposes, but damn, we hear people all the time buying guns just for fun, or for plinking, or because it was on sale, or because it had a nifty little widget in the stock, or for whatever other reason. Just kick back and have fun with the crazy gatling-trigger Ay-Kay.

~GnSx

Father Knows Best
October 21, 2005, 09:36 PM
There are worse ways to waste forty bucks than to get a nifty little crank thing to put on an AK to make it go "dakka-dakka!" just for the hell of it. You could even get a bipod and a 75 round drum and just "rock out" for the fun of it.

It is a gimmick, and nobody in their right mind would ever use crap like that for combat or otherwise important purposes, but damn, we hear people all the time buying guns just for fun, or for plinking, or because it was on sale, or because it had a nifty little widget in the stock, or for whatever other reason. Just kick back and have fun with the crazy gatling-trigger Ay-Kay.

~GnSx

+1. I couldn't have said it better, myself. Sure, they're useless for hunting, target shooting or self-defense. For just goofing around and having fun, though, why not? I can think of plenty of worse ways to spend $40.

Dionysusigma
October 21, 2005, 09:52 PM
krochus: I am pretty sure the people who buy these things drive Camaros, still have a mullet on their head, and actually think Motley Crew rocks.

That's Motley Crue. :scrutiny: 'Least it's not Winger or Poison. :barf:

I would rather bump-fire, myself. :D

mustanger98
October 21, 2005, 10:07 PM
:) Blam Blam Blam Blam Blam Blam Blam Blam Ping

Too Many Choices!?
October 21, 2005, 10:11 PM
The other,"Hell FIre Trigger attatchment", that I bought was the,"Tri burst", total garbage... I bought both mine with the exact idea of getting legal pseudo full auto fire for some grins, I mean for 29.00 I ddn't expect too much. Boy was I still disappointed:(. The TAC trigger adds a second trigger(in front of the other) that is fired by forward preassure as you release the,"normal" trigger, giving you a double tap. With a light trigger, I bet you could get a TAC trigger attatchment to hummmmm right along". You get two shots if you do it correctly. For 29.99+sh, I got a sheet metal band, a screw-on aluminum block to act as a fulcrum for the front trigger, and the lever(trigger) itself.

The TAC trigger will simulate full auto on my AR-15. I have to get it PERFECTLY installed, but if I do, I get a simulated full auto burst by barely squeezing the,"normal" trigger just past it's breaking point. The best burst I have gotten was a 5-6 shot burst, but they all eventually end the same. The hammer,"locks up tight", against the firing pin's shoulder(which is a good thing as it might go boom if it didn't:uhoh: ). I then have to recock the hammer while locking the bolt open and making sure nothing is left in the chamber(once a round was thrust from the mag into the chamber before everything locked up). When I get the bug, I do fire it every now and then, but the time I spend getting it perfect, and I mean PERFECT,+ the time I have to spend clearing stoppages, almost make it not worth it. But I see it as saving me money because if I had a real full auto, I would be broke(ummm, more broke).

PS- You shoulda seen my grin after that first burst of three shot forth from the barrel,it was probably worth the 29 bucks alone...Oh yeah it works from the shoulder if installed correctly but still won't burp more than 5-6;) :(

possum
October 21, 2005, 10:23 PM
In my personal opinion I take range time very seriously, and use what little time I have wisely to make myself better, i personally think you aren't doing anything to improve yourself, by seeing how fast you can raddle off as many rds as possible. i think it is a waste of money in ammo, and the part and unnecessary milage on the weapon. totally takes away the fundamentals of marksmanship!

Dionysusigma
October 21, 2005, 10:32 PM
Remind me never to go to the range with you, then. :uhoh:

For me, shooting is a hobby, bordering on sport. Aside from safety, I don't take it too seriously--I'm not ever planning on having to fight urban warfare or make a 1000+ meter shot to take out a sniper who's going to kill me if I don't. Without those eventualities, it takes a lot off my mind and makes it a heckuva lot more enjoyable. I get to see if I can make a clay explode from 50m with my Bersa. I find out how many times I can make an empty bottle bounce consecutively. And sometimes, I see if I can get all my shots through one hole (which, unfortunately, only happens if I don't change the target out after a solid 400 rounds through the same one).

possum: In my personal opinion, I take range time very seriously and use what little time I have wisely to make myself better. I personally think you aren't doing anything to improve yourself by seeing how fast you can rattle off as many rounds as possible. I think it is a waste of money in ammo and unnecessary milage on the weapon. It totally takes away from the fundamentals of marksmanship!

Have you ever heard of Jerry Miculek? :confused:

JShirley
October 21, 2005, 10:34 PM
gimmick

Sunray
October 21, 2005, 10:48 PM
Didn't your ATF decide they were evil and ban them by regulation? They'll get you 10 years up here. Horribly evil, so they are.

Matthew748
October 21, 2005, 11:25 PM
That is the goofiest thing I have ever seen. None for me.

Gewehr98
October 22, 2005, 12:05 AM
And sometimes, I see if I can get all my shots through one hole

It'd be interesting to see how well you'd do that with the HellFire/TAC trigger thingies. Let us know if you manage to accomplish tight groups with your firearm so outfitted.


Have you ever heard of Jerry Miculek?

Yup. Sure have. He got as good as he did squeezing one round off at a time like the rest of us, no HellFire triggers on his S&W revolvers, last I looked.

Father Knows Best
October 22, 2005, 08:13 AM
Wow. Some of you guys need to lighten up. Don't take yourselves so seriously. Yes, it's important to develop good riflery/marksmanship skills through disciplined practice, and no, these devices won't do that. Still, what's the harm in a little fun every now and then? Personally, I get a thrill out of starting and revving a powerful engine in a completely impractical car. You know -- the kind that thumps and roars so deep and so loud that you feel it in your chest more than you actually hear it. Does it offer any practical benefit to me? Nope. It sure gets my adrenaline flowing and puts a grin on my face, though.

This thread has been very useful for sorting out the guys I would have fun going shooting with, from those who'd are so uptight I'd rather go to the dentist than spend a day at the range with.

redneck2
October 22, 2005, 09:12 AM
I guess these are in the same league as fireworks. Spend some money, make lots of noise, but really not good for anything except the "fun" factor

Hey, it's a free country (kinda). If you've got the $$$, knock yourself out

Got a deal for ya....you don't tell me how to spend my money and I won't tell you how to spend yours

benEzra
October 22, 2005, 10:24 AM
Well, the original question was "What do you think about these things?" so the responses were honest opinions.

I like to have fun at the range as well, but (at least for me) the trigger gimmick wouldn't increase that. It's sort of like the Miracle Platinum Carburetor thingy--sounds good in theory, in practice it's junk, and it wouldn't make autocrossing any more fun.


(BTW--Gewehr98, you have a PM.)

jefnvk
October 22, 2005, 10:52 AM
I'd rather buy a couple 10/22's or AK's and build one of these: http://gatlingguns.com/indexframeset.html

Gewehr98
October 22, 2005, 11:27 AM
Working as a range officer, I saw bunches of those things, and they all had a common denominator: haphazard spraying of bullets, with very few actually staying on target or even inside the target frames. Often, shooters in adjacent firing positions had extra bullet holes on their targets, and more than a few times I could see dirt being kicked up on the ground or on berms 200-300 yards behind the berm they were supposed to be dumping their bullets into.

You want to bump-fire or use a HellFire trigger attachment? Fine. Do it on private property or out somewhere in the boondocks where nobody else is at risk from your cone of fire.

Father Knows Best
October 22, 2005, 01:35 PM
You want to bump-fire or use a HellFire trigger attachment? Fine. Do it on private property or out somewhere in the boondocks where nobody else is at risk from your cone of fire.

+1. I certainly won't disagree with you there. Those things have no place on a range. They are "back 40" toys only.

mustanger98
October 22, 2005, 02:41 PM
Keep in mine, ya'll, they put those warning labels (bullets can travel 2.5miles) on the box of .22LR's for a reason.

Too Many Choices!?
October 22, 2005, 02:56 PM
And I own two of'em:evil:...

Gewehr98, I think you stated the obvious(which it seem is becoming less obvious now'days:confused: ). If you try to use this at public range, you need your head checked for extra holes, and not just your target.

Definitely a private property novelty item,kinda like whoopee cushions. When was the last time you saw a comedian use one of those in a public performance...Fun for some, but not for everybody. Just like everything else in the world...Too Many Choices!?

possum
October 23, 2005, 03:06 AM
Wow. Some of you guys need to lighten up. Don't take yourselves so seriously

I am sorry but marksmanship and being a good shot is my job and is what keeps me alive i have to take it seriously. i do, do rapid fire controlled pair and double tap drills which are my "fun" and even if i shot one round every 10 minutes that would be wickedly fun. i enjoy anything to do with a weapon.

JA
October 23, 2005, 05:43 AM
A friend bought one in the late 1980's and put it on his Chinese AK. Let me spell it out for you....R-I-P-O-F-F
I had a friend that sold the Hellfire which is the same trigger activator just a different name at gun shows in the early 1990's. They have been sold under the names Full Auto,Auto Fire,Firestorm,Hellstorm,Auto Trigger,Tac-Trigger,Tacfire,etc...........
The mfg. changes the name every couple of years to sell them to a new crop of suckers. My friend sold the crap out of them the first gun show he did in every town he went to. The second show in that town sales were slow and by the third show he couldn't give them away. He never had a single repeat customer in the 3 years he sold them.

Pull 2-$20 bills out of your wallet and burn them which you will get the same full auto fire effect from it as you would with one of the trigger activators.
The GAT???
I have used a BMF activator on a Ruger 22 rifle. The BMF looks like the GAT. The BMF required the trigger guard have dimples drilled in it for the screw tips to sit in. Otherwise the recoil would move the GAT so it wouldn't hit the trigger anymore after a few rounds were fired. Never tried it on a centerfire rifle but if the recoil of a 22 would move it with the screws tightened up as much as possible. I don't know how you would keep it on.

hksw
October 23, 2005, 10:51 AM
That's Motley Crue.

That's Mötley Crüe.



Say, I just hit that upper number on a post. What does that do? (Other message boards I participate in have control buttons in that area an I accidentally hit it.) Did I just send the BATFE to Dionysusigma's house?

TIMC
October 23, 2005, 10:54 AM
I have seen several different types and even tried a couple. The one that worked the best was on an AK 47. it ws easy to make.
http://img170.echo.cx/img170/6233/bumppics20mb.th.jpg
I still didn't care for any of them that much, I can bump fire my AK about as good and accurate as those gizmos.

JA
October 23, 2005, 02:53 PM
No offence but that looks like it was designed by Rube Goldberg.

http://www.rube-goldberg.com/html/mail%20a%20letter.htm

Javelin
February 9, 2008, 05:30 PM
Shoot and be happy.

:)

Floppy_D
February 9, 2008, 06:02 PM
Resurrect and be happy. :D

TexasRifleman
February 9, 2008, 06:09 PM
Shoot and be happy.

Amen brother..... Just don't use a shoestring.....:)

Note the serial number, this is an NFA registered firearm. (not the gun, the shoestring)

So the story goes anyway, not sure what smart ass actually registered it, but it's funny :)

You will notice in the first letter the MORONS at ATF declared ANY shoestring in that configuration to be a machinegun, whether it was on a gun or not. Someone else FINALLY noticed and issued the second letter stating that a shoestring was only a machinegun IF attached in a certain fashion.

This is your government hard at work folks.....

http://www.saysuncle.com/images/shoestringmg.JPG

http://bobernet.com/blog/assets_c/52.c1674e1c71ab33adbd8b1fc6bfac26a11a7ddc67.jpg

http://bobernet.com/blog/assets_c/55.218344bd7d89657c01db0e04fa331892f6ca0df9.jpg

paintballdude902
February 9, 2008, 09:31 PM
they are a good way to waste ammo.....ill take 2

elmerfudd
February 9, 2008, 09:51 PM
I understand you can accomplish the same thing with a thick rubber band. Google "Poor Man's Machinegun" and you can find a video of someone giving directions on how to do it. I've never tried it myself, but I must say that the guy in video is pretty impressive. He manages to dump whole magazines from the shoulder using this technique. And my understanding is that unlike the shoestring, the rubber band is not considered a machine gun. It's just something to aid you in bump firing.

Nomad101bc
February 9, 2008, 10:05 PM
Sounds like a fun thing to do with something like the GSG 5 or some other .22 LR plinker.

wuchak
February 9, 2008, 10:44 PM
Motley Crue just looks so wimpy without those tough Germanic umlaut's. Here's how it should look.

http://www.fanatiskfilm.se/magnifikmusik/skivomslag/motley_crue_shout_at_the_devil.jpg

IMHO they did rock on Too Fast for Love and Shout at the Devil. Although TFFL was as much a punk album as a rock one. Not much in the way of musicianship but pure energy from start to finish. Drive to either at your own risk since it's hard not to go fast with them in the cd player.

Of course they are best listened to on cassette in your IROC with the t-tops off, your acid washed jeans on, your mullet in the breeze, and a cold PBR in hand. ; )

Art Eatman
February 9, 2008, 11:31 PM
Enuf...

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