If you were an "embedded" journalist what would you carry for self defense?


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jsalcedo
March 31, 2003, 02:07 AM
If you were a journalist on the front lines with the soliders in Iraq
what would you carry for protection?

Remember, you still have to be able to carry on your regular duties as a reporter.


I'm curious to see what one would want to have on hand in case of an ambush or possible capture.

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Justin
March 31, 2003, 02:32 AM
I've thought about this from the point-of-view of a camera person.
Either a compact CZ-75 or a compact 1911 of some sort as my first preference. After that, probably something like a Kahr PM9. Probably go with the 9mm because ammo would be (theoretically) easier to get ahold of.
The camera guys are probably already lugging a ton of gear, so I'd want a fairly small pistol that would be unobtrusive during carry.

dude
March 31, 2003, 02:43 AM
A Marine Armored Division (or two)

Tommy Gunn
March 31, 2003, 02:43 AM
Something with style,

Mauser 1896 pistol with the wooden buttstock/holster for use as a carbine when I need extra range.

http://www.northwest-denture.com/mauser1896/MauserPistol6RDFixed_TRANSPARENT_LG.gif
7.63mm x 25mm Caliber 13.2cm (5.25")Barrel
This is the "FULL SIZE" Notice: The large grips and barrel

http://www.northwest-denture.com/mauser1896/MauserPistolWithStock_TRANSPARENT.gif
7.63mm x 25mm Caliber 13.2cm (5.25")Barrel with Stock

Feanaro
March 31, 2003, 07:32 AM
I'd carry my bags, out of there. :)

If I had to carry, I'd see if I could... bend the rules a bit and get a Mac11 and a shorty Glock.

El Tejon
March 31, 2003, 07:51 AM
A radio!

DMK
March 31, 2003, 08:01 AM
I'd go with a full size 45ACP like the CZ-97 or an HK USP 45, a bunch of mags and keep it as concealed as possible.

To quote the Master Sergeant Emory "If you needed a rifle, there would be plenty laying around on the ground."

You already have a radio and Marine or Army division there, that's why you're embedded.

El Tejon
March 31, 2003, 08:18 AM
DMK, not if you get separated like those guys from Newsweek.:( I'll carry the extra one!:D

Baba Louie
March 31, 2003, 08:36 AM
Probably something in 9mm if that's what the troops I was with had in way of ammo. Preferably with a 30 rd. magazine or two.(j/k)

In all likely hood Beretta 92 or Glock 17.

Adios

280PLUS
March 31, 2003, 09:05 AM
as a reporter are you ALLOWED to carry a fire arm? do you automatically become a combatant?

not that it matters i guess

hmmm,,

:D

Smoke
March 31, 2003, 09:05 AM
I'm with dude:cool:

Nothing less than an M1 Abrahms.

Plus a nice 1911 and a shorty AR. And a few thousand Marines would be nice too.

Feanaro
March 31, 2003, 09:12 AM
But you can't hide those tanks under your coat, like Geraldo. :)

CWL
March 31, 2003, 09:19 AM
Press Credentials.

Press are not military combattants. Noncombattants bearing arms can be subject to summary execution on the battlefield.

If you want to fight, join the military.

Feanaro
March 31, 2003, 09:23 AM
Rules in war can be ignored. I don't think you can shoot POWs but Iraq did.

George Hill
March 31, 2003, 10:24 AM
Steyr TMP. If I was reporting from our invasion of France - I wouldn't need it. But in the Middle East? Make that TWO, with plenty of spare ammo and for back up? A Colt Pocket Nine in a pocket.

Lone_Gunman
March 31, 2003, 10:54 AM
I really dont think I would worry too much about being labelled a "combatant" because you are carrying a gun. The Iraqis have already killed some reporters, and have shot POWs.

Bottom line, the Iraqis already aren't playing by the rules, so I would carry something.

As far as caliber is concerned, I would probably go with a 45 despite the fact that 9mm is more available.

I figure if I had a Glock 21, plus about 4 magazines, I ought to be fairly well covered.

I would think I would either be dead, or shooting a dead Iraqi's AK, before I run out of 45 ACP, so ammo compatibility with coalition forces would seem moot.

Thats the way it looks from this armchair, anyway.

Tempest
March 31, 2003, 10:55 AM
An M-60. :D

Missouri Mule
March 31, 2003, 01:46 PM
****! A reporter, er uh journalist, with gun!

MJRW
March 31, 2003, 01:58 PM
I wouldn't based on an experience of similar nature. Carrying a pistol in an area where the combatants are using rifles removes your NC status and definitely gets you killed. Anything less than rifle gets you killed in a fire fight, and a rifle gets you labelled as a Combatant. I would and have opted not to carry in a situation of that nature.

Ala Dan
March 31, 2003, 02:09 PM
Along with all my necessary "press credential's", I
would carry a SIG-Sauer P226 with high capacity
magazines, extra magazines, flak jacket, canteen,
high visibility "dust goggle's" and a few packet's
of salt.

*Also, I would have an available M-16 within
immediate access, just in case conditions worsened.

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member

DMK
March 31, 2003, 02:19 PM
Didn't War Correspondents carry 1911s in WWII?

scotjute
March 31, 2003, 02:26 PM
Some of the reporters appear to be wearing either the same desert camo as the troops or something very similar. That alone would probably cause them to classify you as a combatant. I definitely wouldn't wear anything that looked like military camo.

After what happened to Daniel Pearl, the reporter who was killed in Pakistan, I'd say that if you're a Westener, you are apparently considered fair game. With that assumption, I'd carry 9mm pistol of some sort (maybe even revolver) and a rifle (or at least have rifle in jeep).

rock jock
March 31, 2003, 02:45 PM
If you are going to go armed in a combat zone, anything less than a rifle is a waste of pocket space.

Destructo6
March 31, 2003, 02:54 PM
2pr clean underwear.

Maybe a 9mm pistol of some sort.

Shadowbat
March 31, 2003, 03:06 PM
Press Credentials.

Yup, that'll put the fear of Allah in them. Almost as good as my battery-operated Type II Phaser I picked up at Kmart 25 years ago. I know the newer Next Generation Phasers you can buy at Wally World are more powerful (9volt compared to two AA) but I am a sucker for the former's classic styling.

jsalcedo
March 31, 2003, 03:10 PM
American 180 autocarbine.
Full auto 2200 RPM

180 round drum of .22LR CCI mini-mags
One exra Drum in a backpack

The hail of bullets might persuade a squad of Iraqis
that I wasn't a good choice as a potential prisoner.

10-Ring
March 31, 2003, 03:12 PM
One of the embedded reporters was asked if he had anything close by to defend himself. His response was that as a non-combatant he didn't carry a weapon and left it at that.

Trebor
April 1, 2003, 12:53 AM
Any reporter or news professional going to the Persian Gulf would have a hard time bringing any personal weapons with him into the combat zone. Not to mention that the sponsoring news organization would have a fit if they heard about any of their people taking their own personal weapons into the war zone. And, once there, the rules of war would strip him of his "noncombatant" status once he took up arms. So planning what weapon you'd bring with you from the states is silly at best.

For the reporters who are traveling with the troops, the troops themselves are the protection. Having said that, if a reporter asked, I'm sure one of the troops would make sure a M16A2 was placed in a handy spot in the military vehicle the reporter was riding in. If things got REALLY bad, no one on our side is gonna object too loudly if the reporter uses a weapon to save himself or some of the troops. But, it's going to be more of a battlefield pickup thing than personally carried weapon.

For the reporters traveling on their own, a weapon is more likely to get them into trouble than out of it in this kind of situation. Their protection lies in staying out of the "wrong place" at the "wrong time." If they do run into the wrong people, they are more than likely going to be outnumbered and outgunned (even if they had a gun or two) and need to talk their way out of the situation, if at all possible. The possession of a weapon in those circumstances could be a death sentance.

A better option for places like Afghanistan, or bad areas of Russia, etc is for the reporters to hire trusted locals to act as drivers/interpeters, if not outright bodyguards. Even if not hired directly as a bodyguard, the locals know the area, know the language and should keep their guys out of trouble.

There are times when reporters do quietly carry guns, but it's a controversial and usually frowned upon practice in the trade.

Dr.Who
April 1, 2003, 01:01 AM
The Platoon....:D



April Fools....:neener:

Andrew Wyatt
April 1, 2003, 01:10 AM
i'd have my CCW piece on (a .45 GM), and i'd alco carry some m-16 magazines on my person if i needed to pick up a rifle.

Blackhawk
April 1, 2003, 01:31 AM
I couldn't stomach doing it, but carrying ID saying you're Peter Arnett would probably get you royal treatment from the Iraqis but get you the royal shaft from Americans.... :rolleyes:

Nightcrawler
April 1, 2003, 01:32 AM
Medics are considered noncombatants under the Geneva Convention. Most of them carry sidearms. (Some carry more, some have gone unarmed.) AFAIK, under the laws of warfare, a sidearm is a "defensive" weapon, due to its short range use, and does not automatically strip someone of his noncombatant status.

I would, if I could possibly manage it, carry a pistol of some kind. While 9mm generally wouldn't be my first choice, it would suffice nicely. It'd also probably be a pistol that's inexpensive, yet reliable, because odds are I'd have to discard it before coming home.

What would be good choices, then? Rugers, used revolvers, used S&W autoloaders...something that's not going to break your heart when you take it apart and bury it in the sand. (Or maybe you could take it apart and mail it home in a box labeled "scrap metal"...)

Jim March
April 1, 2003, 04:50 AM
I wonder if any gay journalists are embedde...oh, arright, I'll shaddup now :neener:.

kannonfyre
April 1, 2003, 04:58 AM
Any good Mossberg shotgun with an 18" barrel and loaded with low recoil 00 buck and slugs.

stevelyn
April 1, 2003, 07:03 AM
As an embedded reporter, if you find yourself in a situation where you need a weapon to defend yourself, there will probably be plenty laying around.

Lone Star
April 1, 2003, 07:53 AM
If the gun has to be hidden, a Browning Hi-Power is a pretty slim 9mm with good capacity, and some chance of obtaining spare parts in Iraq. The Beretta M92/M9 makes a lot of sense, except that it's bulky. Wouldn't disregard a snub .38 in a hidden holster.

When Richard Tregaskis hit the beach with the Marines at Guadalcanal, he was careful to bum an issue .45 from the quartermaster. Back then, I guess that journalists were presumed to be loyal Americans, not propagandists for the enemy as some are today. And the Japs would probably have killed him, journalist or not. You may want to see if the library has his, "Guadalcanal Diary". I think it was made into a movie, too.

I suspect that even if journalists can carry legally, they'd be fired if found armed by their employers, who tend to be the anti-gun media!

Lone Star

cool45auto
April 1, 2003, 08:03 AM
Blackhawk beat me to it. I was going to say a Peter Arnett mask!

More than likely I'd have a Beretta.

Ol' Badger
April 1, 2003, 08:37 AM
A good Swiss Army knife and Nicole Kidman! :D
What else would I need?

seeker_two
April 1, 2003, 10:46 AM
Firearm: Something distincive that isn't used by either side, but can use what ammo is available--P&R Medusa revolver (can use any .355-.357 ammo w/o clips)

Knife: Bagwell Bowie & Applegate-Fairbain folder (1/2 serrated) & Leatherman Wave.

Other: Asp collapsable baton (longer the better).

Forget Geneva. It's everyone for themselves...:evil:

Country Boy
April 1, 2003, 04:52 PM
If I had my choice, I'd vote for a bunch of Marines in a Bradley. If I showed them I was competient, maybe somebody could "find" a weapon for me.

Put yourself in the shoes of our armed forces. If you were out there, would you really want somebody you don't know or trust carrying a loaded weapon riding around with you?

TarpleyG
April 1, 2003, 06:48 PM
Geraldo Rivera :what:

Nightfall
April 1, 2003, 07:07 PM
Anything? M16A2 or an M4. Iron sights, no fancy gizmos. Several spare 20 or 30 rounders.

US legal? Whatever I can get close to the first two. Maybe something from Bushmaster or a Colt Match Target.

Barring THAT, anything .223 or if only a handgun, 9mm. I want something ammo will be readily available for. I would also prefer to have something with a sound similar to OUR issue weapons. Last thing I want is a rain of steel because I'm shooting an AK that sounds like the enemy.

redneck2
April 1, 2003, 07:54 PM
sounds real good from the armchair here. Problems is, bullets don't have morals

I have a real good friend that was a medic in 'Nam. During his schooling, he was told he was 'off limits". Funny, no one explained that to Charlie. Charlie knew that, if the medic was "taken out", the wounded grunts had a lot less chance of survival. A seasoned Sargent advised him of this fact before going out.

Now, Ken is a rather large individual. He asked "what's the baddest thing I can carry???" Ended up being an M-79....

he has some rather interesting details of how well they work (along with a couple Purple Hearts)

Stevie-Ray
April 1, 2003, 08:00 PM
GE Minigun. Oh and a SIG P226.

Schuey2002
April 1, 2003, 08:33 PM
A platoon of Special Forces...

Just your garden variety Army Delta Force, Navy Seals, British & Aussie SAS/SBS operators...:D

Redlg155
April 1, 2003, 09:37 PM
Spam and a good Playboy Magazine.

In case I'm captures I'll just start eating a spamburger and reading my magazine. Hopefully they will leave me alone. :D

On a serious note, I'd try to get an issue Beretta M92. I'll have parts, magazines and ammo galore. With all the baggy clothing I'll be able to conceal it pretty easily.

Good Shooting
Red

Gordon
April 1, 2003, 10:08 PM
An M-9 and an M-4 (or civilian equivalent).:cool:

IRONFIST
April 2, 2003, 12:31 AM
A nice, short KRINKOV! Very concealable, Ammo and mags easily obtained and the AK is very easy to maintain in dirty conditions.

Michael in Sandy, OR

JohnK
April 2, 2003, 01:30 AM
I'm a bit surprised no one has suggested this yet.

I'd carry whatever the troops are carrying. No problems with ammo or spare magazines in that case. Chances are neither would be needed anyway, but why run the risk?

illuminatus99
April 2, 2003, 02:20 AM
I'd probably carry an AK-47SU, lots of ammo lying arround

Admiral Thrawn
April 2, 2003, 05:01 AM
Definately what the troops are carrying. In the case of US soldiers, it would have to be a Beretta 92FS (M9) 9x19mm with a few spare loaded magazines.

Sulaco
April 2, 2003, 11:04 AM
If I could take my own handgun with me, it would be a Glock 17. Three reasons, reliability, capacity and ammo type.

I would also make sure I had access to a spare issue rifle with whatever group I was travelling with.

My first choice, however, would be to pickup an AK variant and start collecting mags and ammo.

dev_null
April 2, 2003, 12:38 PM
Abrams. ;)

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ACP
April 2, 2003, 07:14 PM
Gold coins or large denomination American dollars; a satellite phone; a map.

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