Tell Me About Texas


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enfield303
October 24, 2005, 03:40 PM
With the way the car market has been sucking wind lately, I have been considering a change of scenery. I have given some thought to Texas. Tell me why I should move there.

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Nathanael_Greene
October 24, 2005, 04:06 PM
Let's see...no state income tax, free 'n' easy firearms laws, relatively low cost of living, fair amount of economic opportunity, lots of different places to live--everything from coastal swamps to high desert.

Pretty girls, good barbecue (beef, that is), 4,000,000 whitetail deer, 2,000,000 feral hogs, mild winters...

There are lots worse places to be, that's for sure!

enfield303
October 24, 2005, 04:19 PM
My background is in Sales. I have been selling cars for a little over two years now. would like to do something in the firearms world. Sales, managing a range, etc.

Halffast
October 24, 2005, 04:31 PM
Texas sucks! You would not like it here. It is too hot. You would not like it here. There are too many damn yankees here already. You would not like it here. Please do yourself a favor and do not move here! Thank you. ;)


Edited to make sure you knew I was kidding.

WT
October 24, 2005, 04:38 PM
Learn to speak Spanish. It will be the primary language for the majority of Tejans by 2010.

Stay away from Harris County.

GEM
October 24, 2005, 05:08 PM
It's going to be hard to make a decent living in the firearms world. Selling cars might suck as a job but if you are good, you will make more money than working at a range for close to minimum.

A salaried employee in the gun world - better be a waiter in a high end restaurant. Or learn to be a nurse - we have many high being opportunities here. Seriously.

AmYisraelChai
October 24, 2005, 05:32 PM
Texas is about the best place on earth. You wont make much of a living in the firearms world. Hell, I am hiring if you are interested. (And you are not likely to find a job in manegment at a range and it doesnt pay well if you do)

If you can sell, cars are not the only game. (One of the worst, if you are good the money is OK but the hours SUCK) For the same kind of money, but less hours Why not try something else. Mobil homes are a good one. So are Travel Trailers and RVs. Furniture stores pay rather well if it is high end. Hell, things like selling swimming pools and hot tubs can pay better than selling cars with much better hours.

Otherguy Overby
October 24, 2005, 05:47 PM
If you happen to have a bunch of vehicles (like I do) beware the $90 fee/tax for first time registration in Texas. I would have had to fork over around 1,000 dollars for my fleet. Also it would have been almost a full time job for me to keep up with the required vehicle inspections there.

Texas property taxes are 2% on improvements (structures) and the property they are on. Buy rural acreage and you must remember to maintain the agricultural exeption on your unimproved land because the penalties can be draconian.

chris in va
October 24, 2005, 05:56 PM
After living in the DFW area for years, I simply cannot understand why anybody would want to live there. Nasty nasty summers, dreary no-snow winters, illegals everywhere. Nothing 'natural' to do, everything is concrete and asphalt.

One good thing I remember...the girls are HOOOOTTTT. And sociable.

Gun laws aren't bad either.

Rinehartdv
October 24, 2005, 06:08 PM
After living in the DFW area for years, I simply cannot understand why anybody would want to live there. Nasty nasty summers, dreary no-snow winters, illegals everywhere. Nothing 'natural' to do, everything is concrete and asphalt.

One good thing I remember...the girls are HOOOOTTTT. And sociable.

Gun laws aren't bad either.
Chris, I have to agree with you on DFW. However, I have family out in the country and visit as often as I can. These small Texas towns are the REAL Texas!!! Ray

Brad Johnson
October 24, 2005, 06:11 PM
May I be the first to extend you an invitation to Lubbock and environs.

A few factoids

At an estimated 206,481 Lubbock is the 90th largest city in the U.S. This does not include the 30,000 students at Texas Tech and the estimated 12,000 students at Lubbock Christian University, Wayland Baptist, and South Plains College. (If these were included, Lubbock would be ranked as the 70th largest city in the U.S.)

The census figure does not include the estimated 250,000 people that use Lubbock as a main economic hub (those living within a 60 mile radius).

Due to foresight and planning, you can get almost anywhere in the city within 15 minutes - a fact verified by the U.S. Census bureau.

We have big city amenities and services but still feel like a small town.

Home prices are low. A generic 1500 sq ft 3/2/2 will set you back about $110,000. A really nice 1800-2000 sq ft 3/2/2 will be somewhere in the $140-$180K range.

Good neighbors (unless you live next door to me :D )

We have more restaurants per capita than any other city in the U.S.

As was said before, Texas has no state income tax. In lieu, we have property and sales taxes. In the Lubbock area, your property tax will be appx 2.3-2.5% of the taxable value of the home. The largest tax variable is school taxes. Sales tax varies a few tenths of a percent by city, but usually runs around 8%. Commodities (non-prepared food items) are exempted from sales tax.

The average summer high is in the mid 90's with 30-50% humidity and a southwest breeze. The average summer low is in the low 70's (same humidity, same breeze). It is not uncommon for us to see temps in the upper 100's and low one-teens during the dead of summer. The constant breeze and low humidity make it tolerable. It is also not uncommon to have thunderstorms during spring and summer. We are, after all, the southern anchor point for tornado alley. Yes, we get tornados occasionally, but large hail and high winds are the main threats. And it makes for some dang pretty sunsets!

The average winter high is in the low 60's. The average winter low is in the mid 30's. We MIGHT get 3-4 inches of snow once or twice a year. It is usually gone the next day. It is not uncommon to occasionally see low temps dip into the low twenties and upper teens, although it is rare to see them in the single digits. Every few years we will get a severe winter storm with ice and cold temps, but snow is not as common here as it is just a little further north.

We have a pretty good airport with major carrier service to Dallas, Houston, and Austin. We also have direct regional service to several other large metro areas.

Lubbock is also close enough to interesting places you can make long weekends into some pretty nice "drive it" trips.

Travel time to:
Amarillo - 2 hrs
Abilene - 3 hrs
Midland/Odessa - 2 hrs
Ft. Worth - 4-5 hrs
Dallas - 5-6 hrs
Austin - 6-7 hrs
San Antonio - 7-8 hrs
Houston - 8-9 hrs

Albuqurque - 5 hrs
Santa Fe - 5 Hrs
Oklahoma City - 6 hrs
Denver - 9 hrs
Flagstaff - 9 hrs
Scottsdale/Phoenix - 10 hrs

Ski Apache (Ruidoso) - 3.5 hrs
Angel Fire - 6 hrs
Red River Ski Mountain - 6.5 hrs
Toas Ski Basin - 7 hrs
Wolf Creek Pass - 10 hrs

Lake Alan Henry (a pretty decent little lake) - 45 minutes.
Lake Kemp - 3 hrs
Possum Kingdom - 4 hrs
Lake Texhoma - 8 hrs

Caprock Canyons State Park - 1 hr
Palo Duro Canyon - 2 hrs
Carlsbad Caverns - 3.5 hrs
White Sands Nat'l Monument - 5 hrs
Big Bend National Park - 6 hrs
mountains of Northern New Mexico5-7 hs
mountains of Southwestern Colorado (!!!) - 10-12 hrs
Grand Canyon - 11 hrs
Las Vegas - 13 hrs (or a 45 minute direct flight)

As a final note - Lubbock is growing. And fast! Topping 200,000, plus our very low cost of living, has begun to attract a lot of attention from major industry. We are also on the route for the Ports to Plains corridor which will be the major north-south routh for goods from northern Mexico to southwestern Canada. Estimated completetion for the PtPC is 10-15 years.

Lubbock may be flat and breezy but there are lots of nice folks here, it is cheap to live, and we have all the services of a much larger town. It is still painfully conservative on a lot of things (to the point of being self-limited at times) but making headway. I've been several places and always end up coming back here.

Brad

orangeninja
October 24, 2005, 06:16 PM
Texas is hot....cept when it ain't. Texas women are beautiful and loud mouthed. Yankees are kept at arms length...just kiddin'....but seriously, you need to buy a cowboy hat and wear it in public within one week of being in Texas or you will be banished from the Lone Star State.

In Texas you are required to like football and NASCAR and view soccer with suspicion.

In Texas you are required to open the door for women and use the word "ya'll" with a straight face.

In Texas you need to acquire a taste for beer, hunting and tall tales.

In Texas you will be mandated to tell everyone "I ain't from around these parts" for at least 6 months upon moving here. That away someone will realize you are just a Yankee, not a rude Texan.

In Texas using a signal when changing lanes is optional.

In Texas you WILL pull over whenever a funeral passes by.

In Texas you will learn NOT to laugh at a State Trooper when he pulls you over, just because they wear a tan uniform, with a blue trim, a stripe on the pants and a red patch with blue writing and a white cowboy hat...no matter how ridiculous it looks.....

TexasRifleman
October 24, 2005, 06:19 PM
Texas sucks. Stay out.

(Oh wait. You are from Iowa. Well, I guess that's OK. Texas is great.
Don't tell anyone.)

Texas sucks, stay out.

Dan Morris
October 24, 2005, 06:28 PM
30 years ago, I moved to Gods Country....I wonder why... daily....Expaterate, Texan
Dan
PS...NEVER had a problem the the THP Red Patchers......They are the greatest troopers whut ever ran the pavement!

txffl
October 24, 2005, 07:24 PM
what part of TX? I have lived west, east, central and now north. There is a wide range of humidity, temp, rain/snow/sleet, hills/flat/woods/desert, big city life or small town. Not all of TX is friendly, not all of TX is gun-friendly, and not all of TX speaks English! I am native, and would rather live somewhere less populated. However, I understand that you need to be where you can make a livin'- sure seems like there are lots of auto sales lots around. Good luck.

dracphelan
October 24, 2005, 07:33 PM
Texas is hot and humid 9 months of the year. The other 3 months vary from geat to miserable.
We have mosquitos that occasionally fly off with small children.
We have idiots who insist on driving pick-ups and SUVs like German sports cars.
But, otherwise, it's not that bad on the job front, as long as you have skills. Though, as others have said, firearms are not the way to get rich.

ezypikns
October 24, 2005, 07:49 PM
but if you want to hunt (besides doves), you'd better be a rich man. Very little public land and what there is is very overcrowded. Corporate leases have destroyed hunting opportunities for average folks. Just my opinion.

Brad Johnson
October 24, 2005, 07:54 PM
Texas is hot and humid 9 months of the year. The other 3 months vary from geat to miserable.

Maybe in the third you live in. Come out west, my son. Enjoy the dry air! :D

Brad

dasmi
October 24, 2005, 08:03 PM
As was said before, Texas has no state income tax. In lieu, we have property and sales taxes

Oh, we've got all three in California! Aren't we lucky.

Legion1776
October 24, 2005, 08:17 PM
After living in the DFW area for years, I simply cannot understand why anybody would want to live there. Nasty nasty summers, dreary no-snow winters, illegals everywhere. Nothing 'natural' to do, everything is concrete and asphalt.

One good thing I remember...the girls are HOOOOTTTT. And sociable.

Gun laws aren't bad either.


Just about says it all. Stay away from the metroplex.

TexasRifleman
October 24, 2005, 08:18 PM
but if you want to hunt (besides doves), you'd better be a rich man. Very little public land and what there is is very overcrowded. Corporate leases have destroyed hunting opportunities for average folks. Just my opinion.

Your opinion is fact I believe. It's a real shame. I'm lucky enough to have 100 acres out west of Ft Worth, but it just sickens me the way things have turned out. Corporations paying stupid money for hunting leases have ruined the possibility of a normal human having access. I refuse to lease mine at any price.

Atticus
October 24, 2005, 08:41 PM
We have idiots who insist on driving pick-ups and SUVs like German sports cars.

That is so true. I've never seen crazier drivers than in Dallas. During my last visit there, I saw multiple instances of people in Expeditions and Suburbans passing rush hour traffic on the right hand shoulder at 90-100 mph and then weaving across mutiple lanes at the same speed. Other than that...I love Texas.

LawDog
October 24, 2005, 09:14 PM
Amarillo, Texas. Population 180,000 +/-, of which 52% is of the distaff side of the species.

Median household income is $34,900 +/-, and the median house value is 74,400 +/-.

As for the weather, I have attached charts comparing Amarillo to the U.S. average.

I should warn you that the wind chart is probably fairly conservative.

LawDog

orangeninja
October 24, 2005, 09:33 PM
Just about says it all. Stay away from the metroplex.


I dunno....I live in the metroplex...of course it is crowded...has crime...nothing natural to do....but the girls are HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!:D So what's not to love?:evil:

fallingblock
October 24, 2005, 09:33 PM
But as a former resident of Pearsall, Denton and Study Butte,

I think you would like the great state of Texas.:)

I remember Texas as the most pleasant U.S. state in which I have resided.

Great food - friendly wimminfolk - wide variety in climate and scenery -

low cost of living outside the big cities.....what's not to like?:cool:

gulogulo1970
October 24, 2005, 09:36 PM
It's pretty nice. It's just so HOT!

I live for Spring and Fall all two weeks of each.

JamisJockey
October 24, 2005, 10:00 PM
2 years in Brownsville
1 1/2 years in Beaumont

I don't know what all the hype is about.

Most of Texas is Private land.
Texas is hot and humid, or hot and dusty. Frequent severe weather.

No income tax was nice. Some of the counties have vicious property taxes. As advised, stay the hell away from Harris county.

Decent gun laws. Many western states have better gun laws.
The people are mostly good.

I would only move back if forced to by my employer.

rick_reno
October 24, 2005, 10:10 PM
Good barbecue, nice people.

Kurt S.
October 24, 2005, 10:16 PM
August 20 marked my 25th year in this land of contrasts. I have never regreted coming here. I highly recommend it.

Lived in:
Alpine
San Angelo
Midland
Fort Worth
Houston

My favorite is Alpine, and I am literally counting down the days until I call it quits with corporate America and get back to that clean country.

MechAg94
October 24, 2005, 11:00 PM
I live for Spring and Fall all two weeks of each.
Actually, summer is about 6 months. Spring and Fall are about 3 months each. Winter is a brief transition between Fall and Spring that varies from year to year.

We like private land down here. That way the Feds have less control over what happens and who profits. I know an Operator at a plant I used to work at near La Porte that owns his own 40 or 50 acres out North of town. He hunts out there regularly. If you want your own land to hunt on, you can find it. It might not be prime land, but it is there.

If you want to enjoy the outdoors and the people, get out of the big cities. There are lots of nice towns and places to go, just be prepared to drive a ways.

If you just like to drive around the back roads and see what there is to see, there is lots of that as well.

Also, I live in Southeast Houston in Clear Lake a couple hundred yards from NASA's back gate. I can think of 5 gun clubs with rifle ranges within a descent drive. A couple are membership only. Not sure how many pistol ranges there are.

fallingblock
October 24, 2005, 11:00 PM
He'd have some useful comments regarding Brewster County!:D

I agree with Kurt S. about Alpine.

It even has a university, for those of you who enjoy being near a center of learning.:D

rbernie
October 24, 2005, 11:40 PM
Over the last 25 years, I've put more than 250,000 miles on a myriad of motorcycles traveling thru every state in the contiguous 48. I've lived in NM, MD, VA, NC, SC, and GA, and I have family in WV and PA. Five years ago, I moved to the DFW Metroplex and I've not ever regretted it. In fact, I fly back to NoVA every month and every single month I'm reminded of how much more I like Texas (yes, even the Metroplex) relative to just about any other state.

Humidity is low (excepting the southeast part of the state), the temps comfortable iffen ya learn to stay out of the sun or wear a cap, the terrain is varied and has its own beauty, and frankly this place just flat out agrees with my perspective on life better than other place I've been. If I had my druthers, my job would be in Austin instead of Plano but its not so I deal with the Metroplex. If I *really* could have my druthers, I'd not need a job at all and instead would live and hunt on 300+ acres down Kerrville way. :D The only places you might tempt me to live in outside of Texas would be back up Santa Fe way (I was born in Los Alamos) or maybe in eastern OK. Other than that, it's Texas for me...

If any of y'all decide to move down this way, just do me a couple of favors - stop irrigating the snot out of all of the non-indigenous plants that you feel compelled to cultivate, and stop refrigerating every indoor facility you inhabit. This is Texas, and it just makes no sense to try and make it into any other place.

Art Eatman
October 24, 2005, 11:47 PM
:D

Terlingua ain't a place; it's an idea: You don't bother me, I won't bother you.

Not enough winter to worry about.

Elbow room, both physical and emotional.

Sometimes it's a bit on the dry side, and it's been known to get warmish--but I don't recall seeing it above 118. Not like Presidio, where it was 125, one day this summer...

Decent views...

:), Art

sm
October 25, 2005, 12:28 AM
I've expressed my fondness for Texas, spent a lot of time in Texas. Serious thought of heading that way myself.

In Dallas is there a cab company named Terminal. Now folks might think so named because of Airports like Love Field or DFW.

Nope, named for the way drivers attempt to drive 70 mph during a ice storm in front of Dallas Market. Prettiest Three-Sixities I ever watched, too bad the guard-rail pulled out in front of them. :D

BIG state. Try going from Galveston to OK, did I mention Texas is BIG!

They use 26-06 for jack rabbits, right off the highway. Keeps folks from hitting them going down the road on them 90 mph speed limits they have. I was being neighborly, I was using a '06. One can use a Bigger gun than needed, not Texas-like to go smaller.

Texas - Manners, respect, and values. Ivory stocks on your BBQGun will get hats tipped, handshakes, and a cold one slapped in your hand.

Forget using a map for the backroads, part of the deal is pull into a Fillin' station and ask, visit, have a cold soda. Just follow the directions past the water tower, the tractor place, the busted fence where the bull crossed the road, clothes on the line...beats the hell out of so many tenths of mile then take a right for sure.

When the host says " stand up, put your hand over your heart and face Texas before you head out to shoot.- well it what you do, proud to be a part of it.

Then again he did fly you into his private landing strip, and has 4 skeet fields in his back yard.

Shush...you hear it? I do. That be the Quail. Respect the Quail.

setxcypress
October 25, 2005, 12:40 AM
I live for Spring and Fall all two weeks of each.

+1!

Born and raised in Southeast Texas, I used to think that what we had was spring and fall. After moving to DFW and back, now I realize it was just different phases of summer in SETX.

Just stay away from Southeast Texas and you should be okay. I know that Texas has one vacancy from me moving to Florida because of Rita. I love Tejas for the scenery(even in SETX), the people, and food and will move back one day.

Brad Johnson
October 25, 2005, 11:37 AM
Decent gun laws. Many western states have better gun laws.

What? Aside from the CHL law, Texas has NO gun laws other than the federal regs and a few city-specific laws.

Brad

JamisJockey
October 25, 2005, 12:06 PM
What? Aside from the CHL law, Texas has NO gun laws other than the federal regs and a few city-specific laws.

Brad
Title 10 Chpt. 46 § 46.03

A place of business that derives 51% or more of its income from the sale or service of alcoholic beverages for on premises consumption
On premises of a correctional facility
On the physical premises of a school, an educational institution, or a passenger transportation vehicle of a school or an educational institution, whether the school or educational institution is public or private,
On the premises where a high school, collegiate or professional sporting event of interscholastic event is taking place, unless the license holder is a participant in the event and a handgun is used in the event
On the premises of a polling place on the day of an election or while early voting is in progress.
racetrack; secured area of an airport
In any government court or offices utilized by the court, unless pursuant to written regulations or written authorization of the court.
*on the premises of a church, synagogue, or other established place of religious worship.
*On the premises of a Hospital licensed under the Health and Safety Code
*On the premises of a nursing home licensed under the Health and Safety Code
*Amusement parks. Amusement Parks means a permanent indoor or outdoor facility or park where amusement rides are available for use by the public that is located in a county with a population of more than one million, encompasses at least 75 acres in surface area, is enclosed with access only through controlled entries, is open for operation more than 120 days in each calendar year, and has security guards on the premises at all times. The term does not include any public or private driveway, street, sidewalk or walkway, parking lot, parking garage, or other parking area.
Public or private premises conspicuously posted with this sign do
Items above marked * Do not apply if the actor was not given effective notice under Section 30.06.

I thought there were no gun laws in Texas?:confused:

Compare to Utah
It is unlawful for a person with a firearm permit to carry a concealed firearm in the following locations:

Any secure area in which firearms are prohibited and notice of the prohibition is posted
A secure area of an airport
Any courthouse, courtroom, mental health facility or correctional facility that may provide by rule that no firearm may be transported, sold, given, or possessed upon the facility. At least one notice shall be prominently displayed at each entrance to a secure area in which a dangerous weapon, firearm, or explosive is restricted
What about private business, can they post signs prohibiting someone from carrying a gun into their business even though the person may have a firearm permit? Naturally, private property owners may apply what ever restrictions they want, whether or not these restrictions violates ones personal rights is for the civil courts to decide. But the only statutory restriction on a permit holder is secured areas such as airports and federal buildings.
May I carry my loaded and concealed firearm into a bar or other drinking other establishment? There is nothing in state statute that prohibits permit holders from being in a bar with a concealed firearm. However, it is illegal to be intoxicated and in possession of a firearm. The level of intoxication that is considered illegal is held to the same standard as when driving a car.
Utah Code 76-10-530 covers the law on Trespass with a firearm in a house of worship or private residence -- Notice -- Penalty.

Link to Churches in Utah that have notified BCI of their intent to prohibit firearms on their premises.

Drysdale
October 25, 2005, 12:20 PM
Amarillo, Texas. Population 180,000 +/-, of which 52% is of the distaff side of the species.

Median household income is $34,900 +/-, and the median house value is 74,400 +/-.

As for the weather, I have attached charts comparing Amarillo to the U.S. average.

I should warn you that the wind chart is probably fairly conservative.

LawDog

The only problem with Amarillo is the unmistakeable smell of Cow when the breeze is juuuuuuust right! :barf:

LawDog
October 25, 2005, 12:30 PM
The only problem with Amarillo is the unmistakeable smell of Cow when the breeze is juuuuuuust right!

It's not Hereford's fault that it's one giant feedlot. :D

Don't think of it as the smell of cow, think of it as the smell of money.

LawDog

Brad Johnson
October 25, 2005, 01:39 PM
Title 10 Chpt. 46 § 46.03

A place of business that derives 51% or more of its income from the sale or service of alcoholic beverages for on premises consumption
On premises of a correctional facility
On the physical premises of a school, an educational institution, or a passenger transportation vehicle of a school or an educational institution, whether the school or educational institution is public or private,
On the premises where a high school, collegiate or professional sporting event of interscholastic event is taking place, unless the license holder is a participant in the event and a handgun is used in the event
On the premises of a polling place on the day of an election or while early voting is in progress.
racetrack; secured area of an airport
In any government court or offices utilized by the court, unless pursuant to written regulations or written authorization of the court.
*on the premises of a church, synagogue, or other established place of religious worship.
*On the premises of a Hospital licensed under the Health and Safety Code
*On the premises of a nursing home licensed under the Health and Safety Code
*Amusement parks. Amusement Parks means a permanent indoor or outdoor facility or park where amusement rides are available for use by the public that is located in a county with a population of more than one million, encompasses at least 75 acres in surface area, is enclosed with access only through controlled entries, is open for operation more than 120 days in each calendar year, and has security guards on the premises at all times. The term does not include any public or private driveway, street, sidewalk or walkway, parking lot, parking garage, or other parking area.
Public or private premises conspicuously posted with this sign do
Items above marked * Do not apply if the actor was not given effective notice under Section 30.06.

I thought there were no gun laws in Texas?

Apparently you missed the first part of my sentence that read "Aside from CHL law..." (in case you are unfamiliar with the Texas licensing terminology "CHL" stands for Concealed Handgun License). The statutes you list deal specifically with restrictions to concealed carry, not general firearms ownership.

Brad

orangeninja
October 25, 2005, 02:05 PM
If you grow up on a ranch or farm and are away for a while....you eventually get to miss the smell of cattle.:p

middy
October 25, 2005, 05:09 PM
I know that Texas has one vacancy from me moving to Florida because of Rita.
You decided to escape a hurricane... by moving to FLORIDA!? :what:

Spec ops Grunt
October 25, 2005, 06:27 PM
Its below Oklahoma.

What?

Both states are awesome.

JamisJockey
October 25, 2005, 07:51 PM
Its below Oklahoma.

What?

Both states are awesome.


Why does Texas suck?
Because Oklahoma blows!
:neener:

fallingblock
October 25, 2005, 08:08 PM
That photo made me homesick for the Chisos Mtns.
:D

And there's that new state park I haven't visited yet.

Kurt S.
October 25, 2005, 11:17 PM
Fallingblock, when did you live in Stewdie Byute? I lived on and off in in Alpine for about 8 years from 1980 to 1991, and attended Sul Ross State. We're planning on heading back in about 3 years if Houston traffic and Corporate America don't finish me off first.

Anybody who wants to see what real John Wayne movie country looks like needs to get around the Big Bend area at least once in their life.

enfield303
October 26, 2005, 01:19 PM
Sounds great, Y'all(did I use that right?). The only things keeping me here are my family and my church. I have been considering this for a while. Lubbock sounds awesome(is that word allowed in Tejas?). As for the ladies, I am single, but, as stated before I am kind of a Yankee. Would that cause problems?:D Or does Iowa not count?

Drysdale
October 26, 2005, 02:00 PM
If you grow up on a ranch or farm and are away for a while....you eventually get to miss the smell of cattle.:p

One of my best friends grew up on a Dairy Farm, and thus, I was mightily exposed to the smell of cow. And no, I don't miss it one bit! His house smells MUCH nicer than his father's! :)

Drysdale
October 26, 2005, 02:03 PM
Sounds great, Y'all(did I use that right?). The only things keeping me here are my family and my church. I have been considering this for a while. Lubbock sounds awesome(is that word allowed in Tejas?). As for the ladies, I am single, but, as stated before I am kind of a Yankee. Would that cause problems?:D Or does Iowa not count?

Awesome is a perfectly good word... Iowa is DEFINITELY a Yankee state, and it really doesn't cause much in the way of problems because we're used to carpetbaggers horning in on our good thing! :)

Just remember the #1 rule of emmigrating to Texas: We don't care HOW you did things back there! :D

TexasRifleman
October 26, 2005, 02:41 PM
Why does Texas suck?
Because Oklahoma blows!
:neener:


No no, you got that all wrong.


"What keeps Texas from falling into the Gulf of Mexico?"

"Oklahoma SUCKS" :D

DarthBubba
October 26, 2005, 03:00 PM
I think I can sum this up for you in a joke.
The joke:(Warning if you are among the habitually offended skip the joke):D
The other day my girlfriend and I were fooling around, we start to get passionate and she looks deep into my eyes and says in a very sexy husky voice,”Oh baby I want you to kiss me where I am hot and sticky”, me being the pleaser that I am I did what she told me. I took her to Beaumont and kissed her. Don't worry I'll do it for y'all (Groan that was awful)!!!:barf: :barf:

The serious part:
However this does sum up the weather most of the time in the coastal plains areas, this is the reason that my German immigrant ancestors settled in Central Texas it may get hot but at least it is dry.
The economy can be a bit dodgy at times, around Austin we used to have a good selection of Techie jobs however the internet crash did away with most of them. One of the other reasons for the job market depression seems to be that any time some manufacturer wants to move here or open a new plant or expand an existing one they are inundated with numerous environmental law suits from the heads of the Communist Liberal Greenie Agenda and in the end it is cheaper to go elsewhere.
The gun laws are fairly easy to live with, this combined with a robust statewide rotational gun-show circuit and a fairly good hunting environment make it fairly easy to make a living selling guns and accessories.
Bottom line if you want to get a good look at the state as a place to move I would suggest a vacation to the area you might want to move to to see if you like it. If you choose Central Texas remember that Travis County is the home of the State Capitol and The University of Texas and so it is a Liberal Commie Mecca full of politicians, bums, hippies, lawyers and weirdos. There are some regular folk but they are growing harder to find every day.
The point of all of all of this rambling is to say I love it here despite some of it's drawbacks and if you think you would like it here then welcome neighbor.

DarthBubba

orangeninja
October 26, 2005, 05:55 PM
Sounds great, Y'all(did I use that right?). The only things keeping me here are my family and my church. I have been considering this for a while. Lubbock sounds awesome(is that word allowed in Tejas?). As for the ladies, I am single, but, as stated before I am kind of a Yankee. Would that cause problems?:D Or does Iowa not count?


No being a yankee won't hurt your chances with the ladies...being a jerk will....sometimes that goes hand in hand.;)

As for Texas vernacular....."sounds great, Y'all" is a bit too formal and will immediatly identify you as an outsider. Try "Ya'll got that right" or "Yeeehaaawww!!!" (note: the yeehaw is a Texas tradition and should only be used in times of great general excitement. The improper use of a yeehaw will appear mocking to Texas and may lead to a whuppin).

The word "awsome" is used in Texas, though generally not in the same sentence as the word "Lubbock"....trust me.

Iowa is definantly a yankee state, but hey, it ain't New York City, so don't sweat it. And finally remember, Texas is great cause it's full of Texans....if you come from Iowa or California or wherever and try to do the same things here the way you did them there, you will eventually turn Texas into Iowa, or California and ruin it for everyone...then you'll have to pounce on some other unsuspecting state.:D

Brad Johnson
October 26, 2005, 08:37 PM
If you DO decide to come to Lubbock, just understand there are a few rules for living here....

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Lubbock has many houses of worship. The two largest are Jones Stadium and United Spirit Arena.

Lubbock has the annual "Taste of Lubbock". This is not to be confused with the event during dust storm season, known as the "Taste of Lubbock Landscape".

Lubbock is tolerant of all sexes, temperaments, races, creeds, colors, and sexual orientations just as long as they are a good coach.

Lubbock encourages economic growth by putting all the liquor stores are just outside the city limits. That way, you support the local economy by having to buy a couple of gallons of gas and an extra sixer for the drive home.

The two biggests sports in Lubbock are 1) Tech Football, and 2) the drunken brawl after the game. The drunken coach DURING the game, however...

Lubbock has a ten-year wierdness cycle. In the early 70's it was a tornado. In the early 80's it was the expected appearance of the Virgin Mary. In the early 90's it was an earthquake (okay, so it was actually in Odessa. Close 'nuff). In the early 2000's it was a Tech professor making up stories about destroying a batch of deadly viruses. Statisticians predict the cycle will continue in the early 2000-teens when a Lubbock driver will intentionally use a turn signal.

The two hardest things to find in Lubbock are bad barbeque and a good parking space near Texas Tech.

The Lubbock paper publishes a daily prayer on the front page. It's appropriate given the fact that there isn't a prayer of finding anything else worth reading in there.

Yes, we have a newscaster who's name sounds like "Abnormal Testes".

All traffic directions begin with "Get on the Loop" and end with "Get off the Loop". Unfortunately they usually omit the middle part - "If you survive the Loop...".

It took 3 decades for Lubbock to forgive Buddy Holly for being a heathen rock & roll singer and finally honor him for being a music pioneer. Given this history, The Dixie Chick's Natalie Maines doesn't stand a chance.

Lubbock has a somewhat successful minor league hockey franchise. They are pretty sure that it is because of the sport's popularity, and that it has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that it's the only sporting event in Lubbock where you can buy beer.

Sometime in the far future, when archeologists dig up the centuries-old remains of Lubbock, we are pretty sure that the Loop will still be under construction.

AND FOR DEALING WITH THE TYPICAL LUBBOCKITE.....

Lubbock is the heart and soul of West Texas. People from Amarillo, Midland, or Odessa are just wannabes. And don't you forget it.

"Lamesa" can only be properly pronounced by a native. Forget what your high school spanish teacher taught you, it's "luh-mee-suh" and everybody knows it. On the other hand, the word "llano" should conform to all requirements of proper spanish diction. Pronouncing it 'lano' will usually just get you a sympathetic grin, a pat on the head, and a ticket out of town.

Most bizarre actions can usually be accredited to the individual being from Amarillo.

An hour of the-end-is-near wind, thunder, and lightning will produce no rain, while a small cloud north of town will dump enough water in 5 minutes to cause massive city-wide flooding.

Local TV forecasters, being both sadists and manic depressives, will warn you to run for the hills at the first sign of rain, but report grapefruit-sized hail covering the entire south half of Lubbock as "an unconfirmed severe weather event".

It's not a dust storm until you can't see your driveway from your front door. Everything else is "just a little wind and blowing dust".

Lubbock has it's own set of traffic rules. They are as follows:
- Tailgating is mandatory.
- A person intering from a side street is required to wait until you are less than 50 yards away before pulling out into the street.
- The Loop has no beginning, no end, and the speed limit signs are there only as an amusing suggestion.
- The morning rush hour is from 7:55 to 8:05, and the afternoon rush hour is from 4:55 to 5:30. The extra time for evening rush hour is to give you time to pick up some bar-b-que for dinner.
- A traffic jam means you have to wait for the light to change twice.
- One snowflake will means you must drive 20 mph under the speed limit. Four inches of snow or ice requires that you drive 20 mph over the speed limit.
- Actually slowing down for a yellow light will usually result in a call to your insurance agent.
- Entry and exit ramps are there only as a recommendation. Feel free to use any flat spot adjacent to the roadway.

fallingblock
October 27, 2005, 04:12 AM
I lived at Study Butte (pronounced as you noted:) ) in 1979-1980,
so we could have passed each other on 118 numerous times.

We actually resided at John and Lil Baker's place in the Christmas Mountains.

My wife taught at the elementary school.

I spent a lot of time up at Sul Ross. It's definitely got 'character'.;)


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"Anybody who wants to see what real John Wayne movie country looks like needs to get around the Big Bend area at least once in their life."
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Yep. Really nice country with a lot of really nice folks.

Good luck on your return.

I've been thinking about landing there again myself.:D

20cows
October 27, 2005, 01:55 PM
Reading all this has almost made me homesick.:(

And I still live here!:D

Essex County
October 27, 2005, 02:57 PM
In 1966 the USAF sent me to Texas, San Antonio, Amarillo and then Laredo. My wife and I are Vermonters, born and bread. Yep, there were adjustments to be made. A lot of GI's and their spouses spent a majority of their time bitching. We spent a lot of time in Neuevo Laredo and points beyond. WE enjoyed the culture imensly and were dissapointed when I was shipped overseas. Fast forward to 1996. I had become disabled and winter was becoming pretty tedious. On a whim we booked a flight to San Antonio and rented a car. We decided to move to Eagle Pass. Stayed until 1999 when compelling reasons (Grandchildren ) forced us to return to our homestead in Vt. Sorry if this has been longwinded but what we liked best about Texas was the TEXANS! A truly nicer bunch of folks I don't think can be found.........Essex County

Scout Sniper
October 27, 2005, 03:33 PM
Reading all this has almost made me homesick.:(

And I still live here!:D


Me TOO!!!!:D

enfield303
October 27, 2005, 07:21 PM
I've heard that Texas has some goofy laws about pocket knives. I currently have, and carry on a daily basis, a Kershaw Ken Onion Leek. Am I gonna have to change that?

orangeninja
October 27, 2005, 08:13 PM
nope...unless the blade is longer than 5 1/2 inches.

enfield303
October 27, 2005, 08:40 PM
It kinda has a funky opening mechanism. Torsion Bar, or some such.

orangeninja
October 27, 2005, 09:00 PM
assisted opening knives are cool...as long as it is not a bail song knife or a switchblade.

Shorts
October 27, 2005, 09:18 PM
Any real Texan knows this:

WHAT I LIKE ABOUT TEXAS

You ask me what I like about Texas
I tell you it's the wide open spaces!
It's everything between the Sabine and the Rio Grande.
It's the Llano Estacado,
It's the Brazos and the Colorado;
Spirit of the people down here who share this land!

It's another burrito, it's a cold Lone Star in my hand
It's a quarter for the jukebox, boys,
Pllay some songs by your favorite Austin Texas band!

You ask me what I like about Texas
It's the big timber roundneck Nacadoches
It's driving El Camino Real into San Antone
It's the Riverwalk and Mi Tierra
Dancing to the Cotton-eyed Joe
It's stories of the Menger Hotel and the Alamo!
(You remember the Alamo!)

It's another burrito, it's a cold Lone Star in my hand!
It's a quarter for the jukebox, boys,
Play some songs by your favorite Austin Texas band!

Hey, you ask me what I like about Texas
It's Blue Bonnet and Indian paint brushes
Swimming in the sacred waters of Barton Springs
It's body surfing at Freo
It's Saturday night in Del Rio!
Driving across the border for some cultural exchange!

It's another burrito, it's a cold Lone Star in my hand!
It's a quarter for the jukebox, boys,
Play some songs by your favorite Austin Texas band!

It's another burrito, it's a cold Lone Star in my hand!
It's a quarter for the jukebox, boys,
Play the Sons of the Mother Lovin' Bunkhouse Band!




Anyhow, I was born and raised in Texas, I will go back to live and I will die there (if I have it my way ;)) I love Corpus and freedom of the summers. San Antonio has some of the best food and some awesome entertainment and atmosphere. There are numerous other communities that are special in their own way and have a personality all their own. And no, Texas isn't all flat and dry. If you think that, you really need to get out of your hole :neener:

For me, loving Texas and the hot humid weather, the tough people and strong wills, and whatever else people may complain about, that's part of the beauty of growing up with something special in your blood. There's a pride, celebration, comfort and excitement. If you don't understand it, you're not a Texan. I often get made fun of, I think Texas is the best place in the world. But I wouldn't want to have been born or raised any other place. Yes, I have a loyalty to my homestate, dang proud of it too.

MCgunner
August 18, 2008, 01:08 PM
How'd this dead thread get to the top with a 2005 post being the last????????

:confused:

Area 52
August 26, 2008, 07:51 PM
I don't know, but now I kind of want to move to Texas. Anywhere but here in California.

Josh Aston
August 26, 2008, 08:20 PM
However this got to the top it's making me miss home.

bluetopper
August 26, 2008, 08:54 PM
Texas is great if you are not stuck in the metropolitan areas.

Wedge
August 26, 2008, 09:04 PM
Die Zombie Die!!!

cambeul41
August 26, 2008, 09:42 PM
I dunno . . . How's the food?

Gotta have lots of chiles and garlic to be edible.

jkingrph
August 26, 2008, 09:53 PM
We have idiots who insist on driving pick-ups and SUVs like German sports cars.

Don't forget those idiots in sports cars that think that they own the road, and our big pickups are nimble enough to get out of their way quickly.

springmom
August 26, 2008, 10:39 PM
Texas has pretty much anything you want. Mountains? We have 'em. Seashore? Got that too. Like to hunt pheasant and such critters? You head on up northwest and you'll do fine. Duck and geese? Come on down here. Whitetail? Our ranch in Llano County is in the middle of the county with the densest whitetail population in the state. Exotics? Further south a bit down toward Kerrville, there's all sorts of that. Education? Fine universities north, south, and central. Hill country, blackland prairie; and I could go on and on.

Under no circumstances would I live anywhere else.

You can't actually get it until you come and see it for yourself.

Oh, and you have to learn to spell "y'all".

Springmom

Poor East Texan
August 26, 2008, 10:42 PM
Aside from the fact that it gets absolutely opressively hot and humid from about June to about October I find my little part of East Texas just peachy!

And everything Springmom said above is correct!

skinewmexico
August 26, 2008, 10:46 PM
Texas does have winters.....in the Panhandle. Otherwise, we have 3 seasons - summer, super summer, and football. And we're being overrun by Yankess and illegals, both of which try to turn Texas into the place they left.

razorback2003
August 27, 2008, 12:43 AM
There is a pretty strong job market in the larger cities and a lot of growth. People are leaving the rust belt for places in the South like Texas for work. Texas is nice in that you don't have state income taxes and you dont pay sales tax on food.

Jax
August 27, 2008, 02:01 AM
Dear Friends,

Last year, I wrote a small piece about what it means to me to be a Texan. My friends know it means about damned near everything. Anyway, this fella asked me to reprint what I'd wrote and I didn't have it. So I set out to think about rewriting something.

I considered writing about all the great things I love about Texas. There are way too many things to list. I can't even begin to do it justice. Lemme let you in on my short list. It starts with The Window at Big Bend, which in and of itself is proof of God. It goes to Lake Sam Rayburn where my Grandad taught me more about life than fishin, and enough about fishin to last a lifetime. I can talk about Tyler, and Longview, and Odessa and Cisco, and Abilene and Poteet and every place in between. Every little part of Texas feels special. Every person who ever flew over the Lone Star thinks of Bandera or Victoria or Manor or wherever they call "home" as the best little part of the best state.

So I got to thinkin about it, and here's what I really want to say. Last year, I talked about all the great places and great heroes who make Texas what it is. I talked about Willie and Waylon and Michael Dell and Michael DeBakey and my Dad and LBJ and Denton Cooley. I talked about everybody that came to mind. It took me sitting here tonight reading this stack of emails and thinkin about where I've been and what I've done since the last time I wrote on this occasion to remind me what it is about Texas that is really great.

You see, this last month or so I finally went to Europe for the first time. I hadn't ever been, and didn't too much want to. But you know all my damned friends are always talking about "the time they went to Europe." So, I finally went. It was a hell of a trip to be sure. All they did when they saw me was say the same thing, before they'd ever met me. "Hey cowboy, we love Texas." I guess the hat tipped em off. But let me tell you what, they all came up with a smile on their faces. You know why? They knew for damned sure that I was gonna be nice to em. They knew it cause they knew I was from Texas. They knew something that hadn't even hit me. They knew Texans, even though they'd never met one. That's when it occurred to me. Do you know what is great about Texas? Do you know why when my friend Beverly and I were trekking across country to see 15 baseball games we got sick and had to come home after 8? Do you know why every time I cross the border I say, "Lord, please don't let me die in _____"?

Do you know why children in Japan can look at a picture of the great State and know exactly what it is about the same time they can tell a rhombus from a trapezoid? I can tell you that right quick. You. The same spirit that made 186 men cross that line in the sand in San Antonio damned near 165 years ago is still in you today. Why else would my friend send me William Barrett Travis' plea for help in an email just a week ago, or why would Charles Stenciled ask me to reprint a Texas Independence column from a year ago?

What would make my friend Elizabeth say, "I don't know if I can marry a man who doesn't love Texas like I do?" Why in the hell are 1,000 people coming to my house this weekend to celebrate a holiday for what used to be a nation that is now a state? Because the spirit that made that nation is the spirit that burned in every person who founded this great place we call Texas, and they passed it on through blood or sweat to every one of us.

You see, that spirit that made Texas what it is is alive in all of us, even if we can't stand next to a cannon to prove it, and it's our responsibility to keep that fire burning. Every person who ever put a "Native Texan" or an "I wasn't born in Texas but I got here as fast as I could" sticker on his car understands. Anyone who ever hung a map of Texas on their wall or flew a Lone Star flag on their porch knows what I mean. My Dad's buddy Bill has an old saying. He says that some people were forged of a hotter fire. Well, that's what it is to be Texan. To be forged of a hotter fire.

To know that part of Colorado was Texas. That part of New Mexico was Texas. That part of Oklahoma was Texas. Yep. Talk all you want. Part of what you got was what we gave you. To look at a picture of Idaho or Istanbul and say, "what the Hell is that?" when you know that anyone in Idaho or Istanbul who sees a picture of Texas knows damned good and well what it is. It isn't the shape, it isn't the state, it's the state of mind.

You're what makes Texas.

The fact that you would take 15 minutes out of your day to read this, because that's what Texas means to you, that's what makes Texas what it is. The fact that when you see the guy in front of you litter you honk and think, "Sonofabitch. Littering on MY highway."

When was the last time you went to a person's house in New York and you saw a big map of New York on their wall? That was never. When did you ever drive through Oklahoma and see their flag waving on four businesses in a row? Can you even tell me what the flag in Louisiana looks like? I damned sure can't.

But I bet my ass you can't drive 20 minutes from your house and not see a business that has a big Texas flag as part of its logo. If you haven't done business with someone called All Tex something or Lone Star somebody or other, or Texas such and such, you hadn't lived here for too long.

When you ask a man from New York what he is, he'll say a stockbroker, or an accountant, or an ad exec. When you ask a woman from California what she is, she'll tell you her last name or her major. Hell either of em might say "I'm a republican," or they might be a democrat. When you ask a Texan what they are, before they say, "I'm a Methodist," or "I'm a lawyer," or "I'm a Smith," they tell you they're a Texan. I got nothin against all those other places, and Lord knows they've probably got some fine folks, but in your gut you know it just like I do, Texas is just a little different.

So tomorrow when you drive down the road and you see a person broken down on the side of the road, stop and help. When you are in a bar in California, buy a Californian a drink and tell him it's for Texas Independence Day.

Remind the person in the cube next to you that he wouldn't be here enjoying this if it weren't for Sam Houston, and if he or she doesn't know the story, tell them.

When William Barrettt Travis wrote in 1836 that he would never surrender and he would have Victory or Death, what he was really saying was that he and his men were forged of a hotter fire. They weren't your average every day men.

Well, that is what it means to be a Texan. It meant it then, and that's why it means it today. It means just what all those people North of the Red River accuse us of thinking it means. It means there's no mountain that we can't climb. It means that we can swim the Gulf in the winter. It means that Earl Campbell ran harder and Houston is bigger and Dallas is richer and Alpine is hotter and Stevie Ray was smoother and God vacations in Texas. It means that come Hell or high water, when the chips are down and the Good Lord is watching, we're Texans by damned, and just like in 1836, that counts for something. So for today at least, when your chance comes around, go out and prove it. It's true because we believe it's true. If you are sitting wondering what the Hell I'm talking about, this ain't for you. But if the first thing you are going to do when the Good Lord calls your number is find the men who sat in that tiny mission in San Antonio and shake their hands, then you're the reason I wrote this tonight, and this is for you. So until next time you hear from me, God Bless and Happy Texas Independence Day.

May you be poor in misfortune, rich in blessings, slow to make enemies and quick to make friends. But, rich or poor, quick or slow, may you know nothing but happiness from this day forward.

Note from OP - Texas Independence Day is March 2. For more information, go to THIS (http://www.texianlegacy.com/march2.html) weblink.

machinisttx
August 27, 2008, 02:23 AM
Texas is being overrun by foreigners. By that I mean anyone who is from somewhere north of the Red, south of the Rio Grande, or anywhere else outside it's borders.

Sylvan-Forge
August 27, 2008, 02:26 AM
How'd this dead thread get to the top with a 2005 post being the last????????

good question ..

.

paul
August 27, 2008, 01:39 PM
I'm another transplanted yankee...
Moved here 24 years ago...
By far, the smartest thing I've ever done...
You're welcome here if you can speak the language, pay yer bills, and act like a grown-up.
The big cities are just like anywhere else, but just outside of them you can find your nirvana.
p

Thumper_6119
August 27, 2008, 03:06 PM
Amarillo resident here (been here my whole life). I LOVE this state.

Arrogant Bastard
August 27, 2008, 03:15 PM
Houston has two seasons: Summer and August.

SHavis
August 27, 2008, 03:33 PM
All this and not one mention of Robert Earl Keen? Texas has it's own brand of music, too, to go along with all that other good stuff. I've been all over and it really is true that the women in Texas are easier on they eyes than anywhere else.

Carlos Cabeza
August 27, 2008, 06:37 PM
If your willin' to commute to work a considerable distance, "there's dang near somethin' fer everbody." East, West, North, South, and Central, Oops, forgot Panhandle. It'll bring a tear to your eye !. LOTS of space to stretch and put down some roots. I love Texas 364 1/4 days a year. There's only one day I am all OKIE and that is OU/ TEXAS weekend ! Go SOONERS !

mushoot
August 27, 2008, 07:29 PM
Texas is a great place to live...

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but if you want to hunt (besides doves), you'd better be a rich man. Very little public land and what there is is very overcrowded. Corporate leases have destroyed hunting opportunities for average folks. Just my opinion.

+1 I am too poor to hunt here but I love living in Texas

doubleh
August 28, 2008, 01:02 AM
Well, as a Texan who left I have to say I have absolutely no desire to move back. I won't go into much detail but things like high property taxes and hardly any public land have turned me off to TX.

I grew up on the south plains and think everyone should experience just one day there in March when the wind is blowing 65-70 miles an hour.

I'll just hang out over here in NM and visit when the weather is nice.

Nate C.
August 28, 2008, 08:32 AM
Somebody needs to close the gate at all of our borders. Things are getting out of control around here.

+1 for the music of Robert Earl Keen. If you haven't heard his work, check it out.

God and Texas.

kevindsingleton
August 28, 2008, 08:42 AM
Texas has over 1 million acres of public hunting land, and only requires a $48 permit to gain access. You don't have to be rich to hunt in Texas. You do have to be willing to walk a little.

http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/huntwild/hunt/public/

If you can work around the dumb liquor laws, and the lack of open carry, Texas is still the best state in the union. With the best wimmen (save one, right, Cupcake?), the best chili, the best guitar pickin', and the best football, starting every Friday night in the fall.

You can't beat Texas. Don't even try.

Tinker
August 28, 2008, 02:44 PM
SM,


"Shush...you hear it? I do. That be the Quail. Respect the Quail."



You made me homesick with that line. I miss quail song.

TacoMalo
August 28, 2008, 10:30 PM
If I could move anywhere in Texas it would be near Concan or somewhere near Garner State Park. I grew up just south of those two. My current job has me out in South Texas but if I could keep my job and move back I'd do it in a heartbeat. San Antonio is nice, so is Buda and Kyle.

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