[Drjones]

Guys, we need to change.

This is important.

The article posted HERE (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=201450#post201450) by 2 dogs got me thinking.

We need to start calling "gun control" "Victim Disarmament Laws" instead.

It is a far more accurate term, and bound to cause discussion.

When asked what you mean when you say that, you could say, "They are called that because that is what the laws do. They by definition only apply to law-abiding citizens and only serve to bar law-abiding people from effective means of self-defense."

Or something to that effect...

Just like the renaming to "Sport Utility Rifles" (I thought that was no more than a joke on our part until I actually saw advertisements with that term!!! :D ) we NEED to switch to saying "Victim Disarmament Laws."

We must use the liberals weapon of language control against them. It is *really* amusing that while doing so, we are actually being HONEST and ACCURATE!!! :D

[Airwolf]

I wholeheartedly agree. The term “gun control” is theirs, it’s a bold faced lie and serves only to elicit an emotional response.

Only those not truly informed think it’s really about controlling guns.

[cuchulainn]

FWIW, they don't like "gun control" either, and thus they've done a pretty good job of coopting "gun safety."

Meme warfare.

[scottgun]

Gun control is a 2" group at 100 yards, what they are trying to do is disarm law abiding citizens. Victim control or citizen control is a more appropriate term.

[Azrael256]

I've been calling "gun free zones" disarmed victim zones for quite some time now. You'd be amazed what kind of looks you get doing that, but it's the truth.

[BogBabe]

I agree -- "victim disarmanent laws" it is.

We should impose a nominal fee (a quarter? a buck?) every time someone uses the phrase "gun control laws" -- and we could send the proceeds to Oleg to help cover THR expenses.

[Standing Wolf]

I've been referring to "leftist extremist so-called 'gun control' laws" for quite some time.

The problem with "victim disarmament laws" is that they disarm both victims and those who haven't (yet) been victimized. I'm not sure that's a show-stopper problem, but the leftist extremists have publicly stated their intention to disarm all law-abiding American citizens.

Real gun control means hitting your targets quickly, accurately, and consistently—and we should hammer that message home.

[RAY WOODROW 3RD]

We are talking about this also in NJ. We want to start calling people or groups that support or push for gun control "anti-rights groups". Same concept.

"victim disarmanent laws"
and
"anti-rights groups"

I like it. Our war is a war of words and perceptions. It does not matter if you are right or not. Public opinion and catchy phrases will sway it back to our side.

[AnklePocket]

Outstanding, Sir.

[Flying V]

Along these lines, we should never call repressive gun laws "strict" or "tough" because strictness and toughness are percieved as positive qualities. Instead, use "harsh" or "draconian".

[Blackhawk]

When they say "Gun Control" they mean "Gun Control Laws".

So substituting ""Victim Disarmament Laws" would mean ""Victim Disarmament Laws Laws."

We have to call it ""Victim Disarmament" to be able to make the substitution work.

For short, let's call it "VD" so we can say to an anti, "You're in favor of VD, aren't you?" and "How do you feel about VD?"

Might as well slap them around a bit to get their attention.... :D

[Frohickey]

How about 'Victimization' laws?

[MeekandMild]

Personally I like "Crime Advocacy", "Criminal Privilage Laws", "Criminal Privilage Advocates" and "The Anti Civil Rights Movement".

But VD is surely short and sweet! :neener:

[Quartus]

Yup. See sig.

[Giant]

VD it is! :neener: (Never had any, don't want any).


I don't like VD, I think the gun control critters will not like it as well.

Let us all agree to start using the VD term in our letters to the editor and letters to congress critters. This catch phraise could sweep the news media big time -- definitely beneficial to the RKBA movement.

Support our military in war, remember them in peace.

Giant

[Drjones]

"Crazy kids with their crazy....VD!"

-Van Wilder


:D

[Elmer Snerd]

So now we can say that Rosie and Moore are spreading VD? :D

A few links, I hope that they are useful:

http://www.webleyweb.com/tle/libe135-20010820-02.html
http://www.webleyweb.com/tle/libe53-19990815-01.html
http://www.webleyweb.com/tle/libe54-19990831-07.html

http://www.webleyweb.com/tle/index.html

[Aahzz]

I usually use the term "Criminal Empowerment" myself...but VD works for me as well!

Sarah Brady has VD, Sarah Brady has VD...:neener: :neener:

It has a nice ring to it :evil:

[0007]

No, no, Sarah Brady SUPPORTS VD...:neener:

[Aahzz]

Maybe....Sarah Brady wants to give you VD? :what:

[JoeSF]

Good idea how about something like

self defense rules of engagement

Victim proliferation law

or
just say yes to crime

[XLMiguel]

We did this last year with "anti-self-defense laws". Nothing new under the sun, but I agree that we must frame the arguement. Carry on.

[AnklePocket]

I wonder if "anti rights laws" is the most descriptive from the point of view of the fence sitter and/or anti? "Victim disarmament" seems to imply that we're assuming that we're victims which might not sit right with those who we're trying to reach. Just a thought and not necessarily a good one.

[twoblink]

Sorry guys..

I support gun control; that's why I shoot with both hands on the gun..

Oh, you mean GUN CONTROL...!

Oh, that! Me.. You mean "Criminal Empowerment"

[BogBabe]

"Victim disarmament" seems to imply that we're assuming that we're victims which might not sit right with those who we're trying to reach. Just a thought and not necessarily a good one.

Actually, I think it clearly carries the connotation that we don't want to be victims, but that these ridiculous (and unconstitutional) laws are forcing that status on us by prohibiting us from defending ourselves.

Additionally, victimhood is a prestigious status to claim right now. If you're a victim (of anything), everyone is supposed to bow down to you and give you whatever you want. It gives moral superiority and provides justification for getting whatever you need to feel better. We should use that to work in our favor.

[Blackhawk]

Double whammy!

Good thinking, BogBabe! :D

[geekWithA.45]

There are too many associations with "whiner".

I think a more accurate term is "Civilian Disarmament", (as in "civilian disarmament is a necessary prelude to genocide")

Although there are some drawbacks compared to "victim disarmament", (Which answers the question, "why do you want to be armed?" "Because I might be a victim of crime") it does reinforce some baseline principles that badly need reinforcing, and propaganda that needs opposing:


Propaganda:

1) Armed civilians are dangerous whackos
2) The only people who have any business with arms are agents of the state
3) Civilian disarmament is a necessary prelude to a peaceful society.
4) The government know better than us.
5) If everone where armed, it would be the wild west.



Truth:

1) That there is nothing wrong with armed civilians.
2) Civilians have every right in the world to be armed; Arms are not just for agents of the state.
3) Civilian disarmament results in an increase in violent crime, the opposite of the goal is thus achieved. Additionally, every 20th century genocide, killing 80-150 million civilians was preceeded by civilian disarmament programs.

While civilian disarmament is NOT necessary for a peaceful society, it IS necessary for genocide.

4) The government serves at the pleasure of the People.
5) In shall issue states, there are on average 2 armed people sitting in the movie theater with you. Seen any bloodbaths lately?

[MeekandMild]

BogBabe, ah, you have found a real problem with our society, perhaps the one which will finally destroy it. You know there is a big move afoot to make CRIMINALS a victim class? You should see some of the people I deal with, folks who have raped infants, beaten their mothers to death, one woman cut off her grandmother's head... all taking on the role of terribly put-upon victims. It is totally disgusting. :eek:

Which is why I wish we could find a term as short and sweet as VD but related to the fact these bastards are empowering criminals and the dregs of society.


Anti Individual Defense Shills or AIDS for short?