Mini or SKS-


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Squidward
October 28, 2005, 04:17 PM
Mini 14 or SKS?

Which is easier to work on for the lay person?
Which is a better performer
Which round is a better performer?

If its an SKS, which one? Russion, Chinese???
If it's the mini standard or ranch?

It'll be used to teach the kids how to shoot a rifle and as a HD and SHTF tool.

Depending on the answers, I'll be buying at least 2. I'd go to SKS or Mini 14 forums, but I'd like unbiased opinions.

I'm sure this has been asked before, so directions to the proper thread will be appreciated.

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.45Guy
October 28, 2005, 04:27 PM
SKS on all three points. I have owned all three, and contrary to popular opinion the SK's blew the mini out of the water in both accuracy and reliability, even with the much maligned "duckbill mags." Bear in mind, this is just my experience, I'm sure that there are plenty of folks who have had experiences to the contrary.

Borachon
October 28, 2005, 04:29 PM
Agreed. SKS.

One of the best values in terms of price versus quality out there.


You might think about getting a shooter quality Yugoslavian. Dirt cheap and a good shooter.

Kurush
October 28, 2005, 04:31 PM
Yugo SKS

Spot77
October 28, 2005, 04:35 PM
I agree - sks

You can pick up an sks for an average of about $100.

Great tool to train with.

Darth Ruger
October 28, 2005, 06:47 PM
It'll be used to teach the kids how to shoot a rifle...
A .22LR would be better for that purpose. Preferably a bolt-action, to teach them the importance of shot placement over firepower.

chris in va
October 28, 2005, 06:59 PM
and as a HD and SHTF tool

Can't do that with a .22.

If the kid(s) in question can reliably hold up the SKS, sure...why not. Very little kick and it makes one HELL of an impression when you hit a water jug or melon.

But if they are really young kids, definitely a cheap kid sized bolt-action .22. I even saw a tiny pink one at WalMart the other day...:rolleyes:

Pietro Beretta
October 28, 2005, 06:59 PM
SKS all the way!

(Except for you kids, then a 10/22)

pdt203
October 28, 2005, 06:59 PM
Mini-14... because I own one. :neener:


Johnny in Huntsville

dasmi
October 28, 2005, 07:11 PM
Sks

Squidward
October 28, 2005, 07:38 PM
oops

Squidward
October 28, 2005, 07:39 PM
The smallest kid (of the ones still at home) is 6-0, 175.

I'm looking at supplying the whole family with like weapons for training and ammo commonality reasons.

I have enough pistols and pistol ammo to go around, but we are seriously lacking in the rifle arena.

Pilot
October 28, 2005, 07:41 PM
Sks.

possum
October 28, 2005, 07:41 PM
sks. It will meet all the requirements that you want it to fill. I see no problem with the kids shooting the sks, it will have more kick to it but I think it will be fine. I have let many people that are recoil sensative shoot the sks and they had absolutly no problems at all. I have a chinese by the way. It is awesome and I have had absolutly no problems with it. It even shoots better than my ak. Ammo is cheap and for the shtf scenario there are some very nice sp loads out there!

Cpl Punishment
October 28, 2005, 07:43 PM
I'm looking at supplying the whole family with like weapons for training and ammo commonality reasons.

Hands down, the SKS.

Not only are they more accurate and more reliable, but they load quickly from stripper clips (which are very inexpensive), and the best part is, you can get 3, maybe 4 SKSs for each Mini-30, depending on the deals in your area.

longhorngunman
October 28, 2005, 07:45 PM
SKS all the way! Aim surplus has their shooter grades on sale now for $80! I got one several months ago when they were $100. A few dents and dings on the stock, most of the blueing gone, the bore looked brand new though and I can pop a coke can at 80 yards all day long.:) Aim has the unissued ones (brand new guns soaked in cosmoline) for $140. www.aimsurplus.com

rbernie
October 28, 2005, 08:22 PM
Sks, Chinese

warriorsociologist
October 28, 2005, 08:30 PM
sks

deputy tom
October 28, 2005, 08:32 PM
I own both but if I had to do it all over again I'd buy two SKS's instead of one Mini-14.I'd buy the cheaper commie pistols as well.Lots of ammo could be had for the money wasted on all the "up-scale " firearms I've purchased over the years.Ammo that could be used in fun and practice.Oh well.tom.:confused:

mr.trooper
October 28, 2005, 08:39 PM
SKS

1) much easyer to work on.

2) Better preformance

3) 7.62x39 hits harder

4) More parts and upgrades

5) Cheaper parts and upgrades

6) More rugged design.

7) Cheaper initial investment

8) Cheaper upkeep

Average Joe
October 28, 2005, 08:51 PM
Sold my mini, got 3 SKS's

Jason M.
October 28, 2005, 09:13 PM
SKS. The reasons have been well explained.

silverlance
October 28, 2005, 09:13 PM
but just a warning.. while accurate (well i'm still trying to get mine to hit the "x" at 25 feet.. it keeps hitting a nice group to the right) it's really really REALLLY darn heavy.

possum
October 28, 2005, 09:36 PM
What might even be better than a normal sks is a paratrooper model. Especially for the kids to handle, plus they are alot handier no matter who is using it! I think you will be happy with any sks varient!

karlsgunbunker
October 29, 2005, 04:04 AM
Russian, Chinese, Romanian, Albanian or any other Chromed Barrel model

The SKS Rocks for all the reasons listed and they are just a hell of a lot of fun to shoot.

orangeninja
October 29, 2005, 04:16 AM
SKS...if a Russian potato farmer with a first grade education can figure it out...so can you.;)

berettashotgun
October 29, 2005, 04:45 PM
get a mini 1st then the yugo sks. I like the sks, but really prefer the compactness and weight of the mini.

Sewerman
October 29, 2005, 06:33 PM
SKS, if you can find one, get a norinco that accepts standard AK magazines.:D

benEzra
October 29, 2005, 06:59 PM
IF price is no object, they both have their strengths and weaknesses.

Which is easier to work on for the lay person?
Which is a better performer
Which round is a better performer?
(1) The mini is somewhat easier to work on. (I own a mini and occasionally clean my wife's Russian SKS for her.) Neither one is hard to clean, but the mini is slightly easier to disassemble, and the action pulls completely out of the stock after field-stripping.

(2) Both perform with absolute reliability, and accuracy is near-comparable, or maybe the SKS would be slightly better if high-quality ammunition is used. My mini-14 Ranch shoots about 5.5 inches at 100 yards with iron sights, from a benchrest; a quality scope that didn't shift zero might improve that a little. An inexpensive Simmons 3-9x variable actually shot worse than irons on my mini, due to zero shift (mini's are hard on scopes, so a fixed scope would be much better than a variable, in hindsight).

The mini-14 is shorter, lighter, and handier than an SKS, and you can legally put a pistol-grip stock or a folding stock on a new mini-14. To do so on an SKS would likely be a violation of 18 USC 922(r). The mini also uses detachable magazines; you may have to hunt around for a bit to find a good one, but they're out there. I have a 20-rounder and a couple of 30-rounders that have always fed flawlessly. The 20-round fixed magazines you sometimes see for SKS's sometimes work with a given rifle but usually don't, and converting an SKS to take detachable mags is generally a Federal felony, again 18 USC 922(r).

(3) Depends on what you want to do with it. For basic home defense, you have a lot more ammunition choices in .223/5.56x45mm than you do with 7.62x39mm, particularly when it comes to limiting penetration. On the other hand, 7.62x39mm is considered powerful enough to hunt deer with (inside 125 yards or so), whereas .223 generally is not.

If its an SKS, which one? Russion, Chinese???
Russian SKS's are very good, BUT also very expensive. My wife bought hers in the mid-1990's for $99, but the last one I saw in a gun store (in 2003) was a dog compared to hers, and they wanted $325 for it.

Chinese SKS's can be had in the low-to-mid-200's, but the so-called "paratroopers" (probably the most desirable Chinese SKS's) are a bit more.

The variant currently being imported is the Yugoslavian, which is by all accounts a very high-quality rifle.

If it's the mini standard or ranch?
If you don't plan on putting a traditional scope on it, the standard mini is better (better rear sight). If you want a traditional rear-mounted scope, the Ranch Rifle is better since it comes with scope rings and built-in bases. If you are planning on a forward-mount scout scope/red dot/holographic sight, either will work since the best way to do that is to replace the upper handguard with an UltiMak forward rail (www.ultimak.com).

Here's mine:

http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/forums/uploads/1118945487/gallery_260_23_30429.jpg

Some other photos of my mini can be found here:

http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/forums/index.php?act=module&module=gallery&cmd=user&user=260&op=view_album&album=23

1 old 0311
October 29, 2005, 07:22 PM
Had one of each. If I got another it would be a SKS.

Kevin

Bartholomew Roberts
October 29, 2005, 07:27 PM
I'd vote for the SKS.

benEzra, I didn't know you were a member of "The A-Team" ;)

benEzra
October 30, 2005, 07:50 AM
benEzra, I didn't know you were a member of "The A-Team" ;)
LOL! Now I just need a van, a mohawk, and the ability to construct a main battle tank from a dumpster. :D

I think theirs were AC556's with factory folders, though...

MachIVshooter
October 30, 2005, 04:25 PM
Unless you're on a tight budget, I'd say mini. Here's why:

-American made (don't think I need to outline the superiority here, not to mention supporting American workers)

-Reliability: the mini is far less finicky with magazines; SKS's often don't like high-caps (especially detachable ones). I don't recall ever having a failure in my mini, but every SKS I have used with hi-cap mags has suffered failures. However, with the stock fixed magazine they are quite reliable.

-reload speed: Even the detachable SKS mags take far longer to change than a mini.

-fit and finish: self explanatory

-accessories: you can do just about anything you want to your mini without breaking laws

-weight and length: as others have said, the mini is just plain handier.

-breakdown: The mini is easier, period

Accuracy of the two is comparable. My mini shoots about 2.5 MOA with decent ammo, many people never get under 3 MOA. ASI in Texas will accurize mini's (<1 MOA), but it ain't cheap. They will also convert them to just about any chambering that fits in the action (.17 Rem, .204 Ruger, 6x45, etc.)

Of course, you can get 3 or 4 SKS's for the price of a stainless mini.;)

rbernie
October 30, 2005, 04:51 PM
American made (don't think I need to outline the superiority here, not to mention supporting American workers)Every single one of my SKSs was made more than 30 years ago - I think that the economic benefit to the Yugo or Chinese government/workers has long since been OBE.

Reliability: the mini is far less finicky with magazines; SKS's often don't like high-caps (especially detachable ones). I don't recall ever having a failure in my mini, You must have some really excellent hi-cap Mini mags. Every hi-cap I ever tried in my Mini was doomed to a life of FTF's.

but every SKS I have used with hi-cap mags has suffered failures. However, with the stock fixed magazine they are quite reliable.And the moral to this is to stick with the stock SKS 10-rounder. It's boringly reliable.

-reload speed: Even the detachable SKS mags take far longer to change than a mini.I can usually drop in a stripper clip and recharge the SKS factory fixed ten-rounder in about the same time that it takes to drop and replace the Mini's detachable mag or an AK mag, but an AR will beat me every time. YMMV.

-fit and finish: self explanatoryI dunno - my Yugo's has an excellent fit-n-finish, and my Norinco had fewer tooling marks than any Mini. Both come with cheezy furniture.

-accessories: you can do just about anything you want to your mini without breaking lawsIt's really not hard to play the 10-parts-or-less game with the SKS. Last I counted, getting a TAPCO op rod and gas piston plus an aftermarket mag and replacement stock got you there. Other than the op rod and gas piston, chances are that the stock and mag were gonna get swapped out anyway. Certainly, there are a whole lotta bits-n-pieces out there for the SKS if you're so inclined to tinker.

-weight and length: as others have said, the mini is just plain handier. That's a fact, although the non-Yugo SKS's are really pretty handy in their own right (and handier if you'e willing to carve some unecessary metal off of them).

-breakdown: The mini is easier, periodThis has me scratching my head - I don't have a clue how you could arrive at this conclusion. I could field-strip my SKS faster than I could my Mini under just about any conditions.

Accuracy of the two is comparable.True for the most part, but I suspect that the SKS is more consistant in its performance than the Mini. I've shot many friends Mini's and owned one, and it just seemed that you never knew what you were gonna get (a good one or a bad one) when you bought it.

MachIVshooter
October 30, 2005, 05:02 PM
You must have some really excellent hi-cap Mini mags. Every hi-cap I ever tried in my Mini was doomed to a life of FTF's.



USA mags. I was advised to be sure any mini mag I bought had a welded catch rather than a stamped one. I stuck to that advise and have had zero problems.

Cheap mags can (will) plague even the best guns with problems. It is my observation that the SKS was simply designed around the fixed 10 rounder and no detachable or high-cap can feed quite right all the time. perhaps the severe taper of 7.62x39 cases plays into this problem(?) I dunno, but I trust my mini with USA 30-rounders unequivocally. Never tried any of the 40 rounders, but have not heard good things about them.

adaman04
October 30, 2005, 05:21 PM
Mini. I would never trade my Mini-14 for an SKS. I have nothing against the SKS, but the Mini is a beautiful rifle and I prefer it over the SKS. I like the SKS okay, but the Mini never leaves my side.

ndh87
October 30, 2005, 10:22 PM
SKS, i own a mini 14 ranch, every time i shoot it something falls off, first the rear sights, various screws, and lastly the scope -_- the 7.62x39 is a cheaper round too.

jkswiss
October 31, 2005, 12:00 AM
They have that new Mini 30 out now that shoots 7.62x39 rounds. It has my interest peaked. I have an SKS and like the idea of having two rifles in the same caliber. The Yugo SKS is a bit of a beast to lug around all day. Love the Yugo though, haven't shot a Mini-14 so I can't say nething about it. All I can say is that you won't be dissapointed with a Sks, can't be beat for the price, reliable as heck, and battle proven. It makes a great SHTF rifle and parts/ammo are ubiquitous.

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