[agricola]

Is rioting over things that anyone with even an ounce of intelligence would consider idiotic coming into fashion? First the Birmingham riots over a blatantly spurious "rape" claim, and now this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4388536.stm

My favourite part:

The crowds blamed police for the deaths of the two boys, electrocuted when they climbed into an electrical station.......Thursday's violence broke out after youths attacked firefighters who had been called in to help the two victims, who were aged 15 and 17, and a third youth who received serious burns.

[beerslurpy]

Now maybe they will realize that some fences dont merely protect valuables from theft- some are for your protection as well.

Perhaps they should disguise the power facility as a rich old person's home and leave the floor nice and damp. Sort of like a roach motel for welfare recipients.

[enfield303]

Beerslurpy, you owe me a new keyboard. :D

[El Tejon]

beer, you could even use booze, television, and welfare checks as bait. Democratic and Labour voters check in, but they don't check out!:D

Why is this a surprise, I thought shooting and throwing rocks at firefighters was the in thing to do in Europe?:confused:

[1 old 0311]

Hell they are French. Probably happened during another surrender.:neener:

Kevin

[Remington788]

From Yahoo

Michel Thooris from Action Police CFTC, said. "My colleagues neither have the equipment nor the practical nor theoretical training for street fighting."


I'm begining to think that unless it involves a white flag, the French suck at everything.

[Crosshair]

I don't see a serious problem with you're plan beerslurpy.:D

[longeyes]

Paris has changed.

What is it they're AREN'T saying?

[Standing Wolf]

Does this mean it wasn't Bush's fault?

[White Horseradish]

Now, did anyone notice that the two people in the photo are NOT French and wear skullcaps?

[Atticus]

No offense to decent 'people of color'....but the rule today seems to be that 'people of color' are supposed to be considered blameless, even when they are clearly to blame. It's a riot worthy sin to believe otherwise.

[bjbarron]

Does this mean it wasn't Bush's fault?

I was thinking that just as I read it. I mean, why isn't it his fault? Doesn't he care about poor young men of North Aftican origin just trying to get thru the day? Doesn't he care that their cultural heritage of beheadings and institutionalized rape is being supressed by the decadent Fwrench society? Doesn't he know that burkas and headscarves are banned under Fwrench law? Oh, the humanity.

The Moonbats are right, we should never have attacked Iraq....we should have invaded Fwrance. I believe there is a troop of Girl Scouts in Biloxi that's not doing anything this weekend...

[Fletchette]

Sure, we could invade France with ease. But could we occupy France? Can you imagine how terrible that would be? The women do not shave their armpits, and there is no soap! Our troops would be tied up managing all the surrendering French troops! And there would be a constant, never-ending whining from the general populace! Our troops would drop dead by the thousands from being nagged to death.:what:

[rudolf]

The french are simply having the fun with their Algerians that the Brits have with their Jamaicans. Nothing special, just a multicultural society where everybody wants to have fun :evil:

[longeyes]

The City of Lights...

ringed by the Third World.

[longeyes]

3 in rioting in suburb of Paris get jail terms
The Associated Press, Agence France-Presse
TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 1, 2005

CLICHY-SOUS-BOIS, France Three men were sentenced to prison on Monday after police officers clashed with youths in a Paris suburb for a fourth straight night and residents accused the police of throwing a tear-gas grenade at a mosque.
In all, 27 people have been arrested since the violence started Thursday night.
Two 25-year-old men and another aged 27, detained Friday during the worst of the rioting in the northeastern suburb of Clichy-sous-Bois, received eight-month sentences, including two months' firm imprisonment for throwing projectiles at police officers.
Five other adults were due to appear before a judge north of Paris, and three teenagers were to appear before a children's court judge.
In rioting Sunday night in Clichy-sous-Bois, 8 cars and 16 rubbish bins were set afire. Dozens of other vehicles were incinerated in the preceding rampages.
There were no reports of civilian casualties on Sunday, but six police officers were slightly wounded.
The suburb was calm during the day Monday.
The unrest was triggered when two teenagers, aged 15 and 17, died by electrocution Thursday after they scaled the wall of an electrical relay station and touched a transformer. A friend who was with them said the boys thought they were being chased by the police, but the authorities have denied that was the case.
The clashes have pitted youths - at times several hundred of them - against police officers, leaving a total of 23 officers wounded.
Clichy-sous-Bois has a substantial immigrant population, a large share of public housing and a history of social problems.
The landing of a police tear-gas grenade in the local mosque - close by which "100 to 150 youths were looking for a fight," according to a departmental security spokesman, Jean-Luc Sidot - threatened to worsen the running conflict. Muslims inside the building accused the police of firing the grenade.
Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy confirmed that the grenade was of the type used by riot squads, but he said "that does not mean that it was fired by a police officer.'
Sarkozy promised stepped-up security in restive neighborhoods with riot police to ensure order and intelligence agents to search for troublemakers.
Residents of troubled neighborhoods will get "the security they have a right to," he vowed Monday during a meeting with police officers and fire fighters.
Sarkozy says that violence in French suburbs is a daily fact of life.
Since the start of the year, 9,000 police cars have been stoned and, each night, 20 to 40 cars are torched, Sarkozy said in an interview last week with the newspaper Le Monde.

Copyright © 2005 The International Herald Tribune | www.iht.com

[DRZinn]

WAIT!!! How can they do that???? Those are just oppressed members of society, fighting back against their oppressors!!!!

[mountainclmbr]

Beerslurpy, Wait!

They are rotting from within.

This is entertainment!

No need for a quickie 3-minuite video clip.

I expect a mini-series!

[longeyes]

Since the start of the year, 9,000 police cars have been stoned and, each night, 20 to 40 cars are torched, Sarkozy said in an interview last week with the newspaper Le Monde.

[4v50 Gary]

Paris has a history of rioting. In fact, when Paris sneezes, Europe catches cold. That is, a riot in Paris signaled unrest in the country and it would spread throughout France and from France to Europe.

Napoleon had a way of dealing with rioters and upstarts. He'd dismiss them with a "whiff of grapeshot." Now, now, this is the 21st Century and not the 18th or 19th Century and I don't think that method is resorted to by the Parisan police (or was it Garde National or L'Armee?).

[Silver Bullet]

Does this mean it wasn't Bush's fault?
When the Democrats are in office in this country, the press blames the military and police for everything that goes wrong. When the Republicans are in office, they blame government.

[Kurush]

It appears this is still ongoing.

Chirac seeks to calm Paris riots
Riot police in Aulnay-sous-Bois
Violence in Aulnay-sous-Bois caught police unaware
French President Jacques Chirac warned of a "dangerous situation" and called for calm after six nights of riots in suburbs in the north-east of Paris.

At least 15 cars were torched overnight in Aulnay-sous-Bois. Police fired rubber bullets and arrested 34 people.

Unrest flared after two North African teenagers were electrocuted. Locals say they were fleeing police, which the authorities deny.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4399510.stm

[longeyes]

Ongoing? It's just the beginning. France is a nation in a lot of trouble.

It will be interesting watching a "progressive" quasi-socialist nation like France try to deal with this type of problem. We should watch carefully; we might learn something we are going to need here in a few years.

[Cacique500]

There's got to be more to this than what's being said. Anybody else notice how they're completly avoiding the word "Muslim" or mentioning any of the names of those arrested??

[longeyes]

Read the AP story I posted above. Paris is ringed by "the projects." Heavy immigrant population, a lot of North Africans. Emigrants from former colonial holdings. Majority are Muslims, I believe. I can't verify this but my understanding is that the police don't police any more in a lot of these areas--way too dangerous--and that they are turning into "insurgent-controlled" zones. A reporter on Fox referred to the need for "integrating these people" into French society and the lack of jobs. Hard to integrate people who appear to be intensely separatist, alienated from traditional French culture. As for jobs, France in toto already has high unemployment, twice our rate.

[CAnnoneer]

Maybe all of this is what the globalists/communists here at home should be looking at when they demonize America and glorify socialist decaying Europe.

I agree with Longeyes that France may be an experiment in progress for us to study intently. Hopefully, whatever is to happen there developes fast enough to retain predictive value for ourselves.

[beerslurpy]

I predict that the french response to this will provide much ammunition for the next time they criticize the handling of racial relations in this country.

The french are probably going to crack down hard. Or they are going to rot from within until another Hitler comes along to wake them out of their slumber. Hopefully they have more common sense than that.

[Silver Bullet]

Maybe all of this is what the globalists/communists here at home should be looking at when they demonize America and glorify socialist decaying Europe.
+1

[Ky Larry]

NOW I undestand why Johnny Dic- er Depp and Gweneth Paltrow want to move to France. It's SOOOO much more civilized and culturally advanced than America.:rolleyes:

[LAK]

rudolfThe french are simply having the fun with their Algerians that the Brits have with their Jamaicans. Nothing special, just a multicultural society where everybody wants to have fun
Yep; this kind of thing has been common in places like Bradford in the U.K. going back to the 1980s.

In the late 1960s Conservative MP Enoch Powell warned that such things would happen as "multiculture" and relaxed immigration policies were pushed by the Labour and Conservative parties alike.
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http://ussliberty.org
http://ssunitedstates.org

[redneck2]

When you fill your house with pet rats it becomes a rat hole. You can call it a pet shelter all you want, but it's still a rat hole

[mcg-doc]

NOW I undestand why Johnny Dic- er Depp and Gweneth Paltrow want to move to France.

They just want to riot and not being caught!

[Major Beer]

i am surprised they have not surrendered yet.

[Fletchette]

Regarding the Paris riots and disenfranchised Muslims; does France have public education? Is there anything preventing the jobless Muslims in France from getting an education so they can get a job, or are they just upset that no one will just give them a job?

I am not trying to be jump to any conclusions (but I may have), but here in the U.S. it is understood that getting a job often requires a lot of work. I have a gut feeling that this is a result of "entitlement" culture.

[phoglund]

I like this bit from CNN:

"A police union official proposed establishing a curfew and bringing in the military to help handle the rioting, while some members of the opposition Socialist Party have suggested the police should withdraw from the communities to quell the unrest."


"withdraw from the communities to quell the unrest." ***!!?? :banghead:

[Fletchette]

Well at least the French are consistant. :scrutiny:

[ssr]

Chirac Appeals for Calm

French President Jacques Chirac , intervening after six nights of rioting in housing projects outside Paris, called Wednesday for calm and said authorities will use a firm hand to curtail what may become a "dangerous situation."

"The law must be applied firmly and in a spirit of dialogue and respect," Chirac said at a Cabinet meeting. "The absence of dialogue and an escalation of a lack of respect will lead to a dangerous situation."

The rioting, which spread Tuesday night to at least nine Paris-region towns, has exposed rifts in Chirac's government, with Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy — a potential 2007 presidential candidate — being criticized for his tough talk and police tactics.

Sarkozy — blamed by many for fanning the violence with his "zero-tolerance" approach to suburban crime — defended his approach and vowed to restore calm. He recently called rioters "scum" and vowed to "clean out" troubled suburbs.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,174254,00.html




Hmmm. So the Interior Minister calls them scum, and they start rioting and trashing everything. Sounds like he's right. Of course, Chirac's call for a spirit of dialogue and respect will sure calm down rioters.

Sounds similar to the Neo Nazis protesting the gangs threatening the neighborshoods in Toledo. After which the gangs promptly rioted and trashed the neighborhood.

[Cosmoline]

How well I remember Le Monde's sardonic headline "Les Etats Unis C'est Fini" after the LA Riots. This is sweet, poetic justice.

[Kurush]

The worse this gets, the more it looks like it may turn into a major turning point for France. So far many of the comments in news reports are blissninny nonsense about not provoking them, but (surrender jokes aside) I think that attitude is insustainable if this continues for weeks. Depending on how this plays out, I could see a dramatic political shift to the right, maybe in the direction of xenophobia.

Maybe Jean-Marie Le Pen will end up president after all. Fascinating stuff.

[longeyes]

Rioting rages near where centuries of French kings lie buried. Pretty sad state of affairs.

I agree that it's probably a turning point for France: Do they have the spine to deal with what is really going on here? Or are they going to just try throwing more money at the problem?

[Sindawe]

Do they have the spine to deal with what is really going on here? They better grow on quick, the "animals" are getting bolder.

Disabled Woman Set Ablaze
Updated: 12:36, Friday November 04, 2005

A handicapped woman was doused with petrol and set on fire by youths during another night of rioting in Paris.

The 56-year-old suffered third degree burns to 20% of her body in the attack.

Witnesses said a youth poured petrol over the woman and then threw a Molotov cocktail on to the bus she was travelling on in the suburb of Sevran.

Other passengers were able to flee but she was unable to escape because of her disabilities.

It was the worst incident so far in more than a week of rioting.

For the first time, there were also signs of copycat rampages elsewhere in France.

Police said several cars in the eastern city of Dijon were set alight, while similar attacks took place in the western Seine-Maritime region and the Bouches-du-Rhone in the south of the country.

More than 160 cars were reportedly torched in the Paris region, as well as 33 in the provinces.

But police said the night seemed calmer than the one before, when 315 vehicles were burnt in the Ile-de-France region around the capital.

Buses, fire engines and police were again stoned in the Paris suburbs, with five policemen reported slightly injured.

However, there were fewer direct confrontations between police and "troublemakers".

One of the worst incidents took place at Neuilly-sur-Marne where police vans came under fire from pellet pistols, but nobody was hurt.

Neuilly-sur-Marne is in the worst-hit northeastern region of Seine-Saint-Denis, where 1,300 officers were deployed, and more than 30 people were arrested there and elsewhere.

The rioting is a direct challenge to the authority of the French government and to Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin in particular.

On Thursday he told parliament authorities "will not give in" to the violence and will make restoring order their "absolute top priority".

Source: http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0%2C%2C30200-13457760%2C00.html


This is now spreading to other French towns and cities.

[CAnnoneer]

On the one side I feel sorry for the French, for they used to be a great culture. But, their more recent unabashed importation of socialism into the US makes me also view the situation with a liberal dose of schadenfreude.

[Fletchette]

How well I remember Le Monde's sardonic headline "Les Etats Unis C'est Fini" after the LA Riots. This is sweet, poetic justice.

I'd love to get a copy of that!

[Cosmoline]

I'd love to get a copy of that!

I've been looking all over the web, but it's just too far back. Someone with access to a microfilm collection in a university library could no doubt find it. It's stuck with me all these years as a particularly good example of European spite. I found a few French sources saying the same thing about us in the wake of the New Orleans flooding and Iraq. In fact they love to predict our doom.

[Pilot]

A reporter on Fox referred to the need for "integrating these people" into French society and the lack of jobs. Hard to integrate people who appear to be intensely separatist, alienated from traditional French culture. As for jobs, France in toto already has high unemployment, twice our rate.


The rioters are Muslim immigrants living off the French welfare system. They want more and want the economic benefits of living in France (if there are any) but do not want to assimilate themselves into French society. Sound familiar?

[longeyes]

As soon as we begin to take (if we ever do) some truly tough measures against illegal immigration, we will see the same thing here.

[DRZinn]

They want more and want the economic benefits of living in France (if there are any) but do not want to assimilate themselves into French society. Sound familiar?Nah, couldn't imagine to what you might be referring. :D

[CAnnoneer]

As soon as we begin to take (if we ever do) some truly tough measures against illegal immigration, we will see the same thing here.

Except Americans are still armed, while Frenchmen are not. Quite an unfortunate difference for the would-be hometeam rioters. :D

[The Viking]

They better grow on quick, the "animals" are getting bolder.



This is now spreading to other French towns and cities.
Use live ammunition. Plenty of it. Problem solved.

[captain obvious]

it's not just france:

http://www.americanthinker.com/comments.php?comments_id=3574

[longeyes]

I'm hearing they're seeing the same phenomenon now in Denmark. I will look for corroboration.

(Sorry, the previous post, by Capt. Obvious, wasn't there when I posted.)

[captain obvious]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4407688.stm

I can't believe this, or maybe I can. Chirac is actually trying to open a "dialogue" with the rioters.:barf:


Action speak louder than words.

[Sindawe]

I'm hearing they're seeing the same phenomenon now in Denmark. And so it begins...Use live ammunition. Plenty of it. Problem solved. +1

[longeyes]

http://fallbackbelmont.blogspot.com/2005/11/where-to.html

http://www.rogerlsimon.com/mt-archives/2005/11/paris_is_burnin.php

http://shrinkwrapped.blogs.com/blog/2005/11/the_french_inti.html

[justashooter]

Sure, we could invade France with ease. But could we occupy France? Can you imagine how terrible that would be? The women do not shave their armpits, and there is no soap!

as napolean said to josephine, "i will be in paris in 3 days. don't wash."

[The Viking]

I'm hearing they're seeing the same phenomenon now in Denmark. I will look for corroboration.

(Sorry, the previous post, by Capt. Obvious, wasn't there when I posted.)
Then it will soon spread to Sweden too. Malmö (Malmoe) is going to burn...could be interesting. Gotta start with my hunters exam (easiest way to get weapons here, only rifles and shotguns tho).

[Don Gwinn]

A shotgun is a fine way to increase your odds of survival in a riot. If you're where this kind of thing might happen, though, you also need a defined plan for how you're going to get yourself and your dependents out when the balloon goes up.

[Silver Bullet]

Except Americans are still armed, while Frenchmen are not. Quite an unfortunate difference for the would-be hometeam rioters.
Excellent observation.

I wonder if there's any chance the French citizens will come around to that line of thought. I don't know how they can avoid it if the riots spread into other neighborhoods. Unless, of course, they're thinking in terms of white flags.

[The Viking]

A shotgun is a fine way to increase your odds of survival in a riot. If you're where this kind of thing might happen, though, you also need a defined plan for how you're going to get yourself and your dependents out when the balloon goes up.
Well, Malmö is quite far from where I live, and I live in a small town too...still, gotta get started with the hunters exam. Things can spread fast, and Gothenburg (second largest city, Malmö is third largest) is't THAT far from here. Anyone care to recommend a semiautomatic .223 caliber rifle, and a semiautomatic .308 caliber rifle? Neither can be based on a military rifle though, so AR-15's and probably M1A's are out of the question. Oh, and a good shotgun too?

[Silver Bullet]

Unarmed Shooter,

I think if you go over into the Shotguns or Rifle Country forums of The High Road and start a thread like, "What shotgun for stopping rioting hordes?", you'll get a truckload of responses.

[The Viking]

Unarmed Shooter,

I think if you go over into the Shotguns or Rifle Country forums of The High Road and start a thread like, "What shotgun for stopping rioting hordes?", you'll get a truckload of responses.
True dat.

[svtruth]

It is hard to have much sympathy for Chirac. Large unemployed, disenfranchised groups have been repeatedly the nuclei for riots throughout history.
IIRC, the French Revolution started that way.
They might have covered that when he was in school.

[owen]

Actually, they may be pretty weak on the history over there. I've met quite a few Germans that were taught (in the 80's and 90's) that Hitler was a response to American invasion of Europe, te nuking of Japan was unprovoked, etc.

[pdh]

Wonder if 'Ol Chirac is thinking about calling the United States to bale France out of another one.......:rolleyes:

Just kidding....

[Kurush]

PARIS, France (CNN) -- Protesters in France expanded their arson rampage into the capital city of Paris and along Mediterranean resort communities as the nation's Interior Ministry warned the violence might grow Sunday.

Police helicopters flew over Paris and other locations in an effort to identify and stop the vandals, French radio reported.

The latest violence, sparked by the deaths of two teenagers in suburban Paris, spread west to the Normandy region and south to the Mediterranean and the resort cities of Cannes and Nice, where arson was reported.

By early Sunday, more than 900 cars had been burned, 193 people detained and several police officers and firefighters injured after a 10th night of rioting across France, according to national police spokesman Patrick Hamon.

Thirteen cars were torched in Paris, including several in the Place de la Republique in the central city.

In the Normandy city of Evreux, five police officers and three firefighters were injured when two schools, a post office, a shopping center and 50 cars were burned, Hamon said. A child care center was burned in Lille in northern France.

Two schools in Grigny, south of Paris, were set ablaze and firefighters responded to 30 reports of arson in Toulouse, in southern France, the Interior Ministry said. Several cars were on fire and several trash cans were burning outside public buildings.

A cultural center in the central city of Nantes was destroyed by fire, and a youth hostel burned in Paris, the ministry said. (Watch French teens explain why they're angry -- 2:08)

The spreading violence has shocked national leaders and community residents into action as the French prime minister held special meetings Saturday and concerned citizens participated in a silent march.

For 10 days police, government and community leaders have been struggling to restore order, and debating how to quell the unrest that began October 27 in the Paris suburb of Clichy-sous-Bois.

Locals blamed police for the electrocution deaths of two teenagers -- both of African descent -- who climbed a fence surrounding a power station while apparently running from police.
Poverty, unemployment, discrimination

The vandalism has spread to around 20 communities with large immigrant and Muslim populations who've been plagued by poverty, unemployment and alleged discrimination. In some areas, unemployment is 25 percent.

French Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin met with community leaders and members of his Cabinet Saturday to address the situation.

Mediators and religious leaders are talking to the youths in an effort to stop the violence. More than 2,000 vehicles have been torched in the violence, and hundreds or people arrested. Some police officers, paramedics and journalists have been injured.

The rioting prompted warnings from the U.S. and British governments for visitors to be aware of the situation and avoid the affected areas.

As many as 3,000 people took part in a silent march Saturday morning, speaking out against the rioting and its root causes, state radio reported.
'Quite hard to combat'

Hamon told The Associated Press that arsonists were moving beyond their heavily policed neighborhoods to less protected areas.

"They are very mobile, in cars or scooters. ... It is quite hard to combat," Hamon told AP. "Most are young, very young, we have even seen young minors."

There appeared to be no coordination between separate groups in different areas, Hamon told AP. But within gangs, youths are communicating by cell phones or e-mails. "They organize themselves, arrange meetings, some prepare the Molotov cocktails."

In quiet Acheres, west of Paris, arsonists burned a nursery school, where part of the roof caved in, and about a dozen cars in four attacks that the mayor said seemed "perfectly organized," AP reported.

Children's photos clung to the blackened walls, and melted plastic toys littered the floor, AP reported. Mayor Alain Outreman tried to cool tempers and rejected demands that militias be formed or that the army be deployed. "We are not going to start militias," he said. "You would have to be everywhere."

Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy said the government is unanimous in its determination to end the violence and address the problems.

"Once this crisis is overcome and calm is restored, each must also understand that there's also a certain feeling of injustice in some neighborhoods," Sarkozy said Saturday, according to a translation from Reuters News Agency. "I have thought this for a long time, and said it as well."

There have been calls by the Green Party and the Communist Party for Sarkozy to resign, after he called the rioters "scum" earlier in the week -- language that served only to inflame the vandalism.
Warning for tourists

The U.S. Embassy in Paris has issued a public announcement warning American travelers about the rioting.

"Although the riots have occurred in areas not normally frequented by U.S. tourists, travelers should be aware that train travel from the Charles de Gaulle Airport to the city center may be disrupted at times, as it passes near the affected area," according to the announcement, dated Friday.

"Travelers could rely instead on airport buses or taxis to downtown Paris. Americans should avoid the affected areas."

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/11/06/france.riots/index.html

[Cosmoline]

Years ago I was doing some chatting on-line with some French Jews. I was discussing European gun laws (of course) and they noted that they knew where to find firearms fairly quickly if they needed them. They told me it was only a matter of time before the North Africans in France started a revolution, and they knew they'd be in the crosshairs. I figured they were exaggerating a bit, but now it looks like this is actually happening. It's been well over a week and the riots have spread to the countryside and downtown Paris. Thousands of cars and shops have been burned, and every night it gets worse. The police are losing control, the powers that be are begging the demonstrators to stop.

I sure hope my friends are breaking open the caches about now!

[4v50 Gary]

Read over at Arfcom that one member was enjoying some fine dining on the Champ d' Elyss (sp) and that life in the City of Lights goes on. The rioting is restricted to the poor areas (just like the Watts Riot where they rioters burned down their own neighborhood) and it's laissez faire for the rest of the Parisans. "Is Paris burning?"

[longeyes]

I read today there was trouble in the Place de la Republique. That's in the heart of Paris. I remember staying at a Holiday Inn there years ago.

I keep waiting for the French gov't to come down with an iron fist. They do have one, somewhere, don't they?

[carebear]

It's now kept in a glass case with a plaque that says "Break in case of Germans"

[Art Eatman]

Champs d'Elysee. Elysian Fields.