[Justang]

According to an Ayoob file this "Rip-strip-reload" is used to clear a jam? Can somebody explain this?

[1911 guy]

Rip the slide rearward, attempt to fire. If no joy, strip (drop) the mag and reload.

[Steve in PA]

I have no idea what 'boob :rolleyes: is trying to say.

"Rip" and "strip" normally refer to ripping or stripping the magazine from the weapon, "reload" meaning inserting a new magazine.

Is his rip, strip and reload something new?? Perhaps he's trying to tie a catch phrase to his name, ala the "tap-rack-assess-bang" or "lock-rip-run-tap-rack-assess-bang" methods.

The rip-strip-reload doesn't make sense.

Rip = running the slide (rack)

Strip = removing the magazine (rip)

Reload = insert new mag

Um, in his method your gun doesn't go boom, you rack the slide. Still doesn't go boom you strip the mag out, insert new mag then attempt to fire. Of course the gun won't go boom, because you already tried that before stripping the mag. So you either have a dead round (second one, cause the first didn't go boom either) or the mag failed to supply a new round to be stripped off and chambered. "Reload"-ing a new mag still leaves you with a paper weight.

Attempt to fire, rip (the slide to eject and/or chamber a round), attempt to fire, strip the mag, reload (insert new mag), rip (the slide to chamber a round) attempt to fire.

Rip-strip-reload-rip........

[Majic]

The great Ayboobie at his finest. :rolleyes:

[P95Carry]

Has ''tap-rack-bang'' become outa date then! ;)

[Justang]

Didn't know Ayoob was so unliked.

[1911 guy]

I really don't get the guy, actually. We can all figure out what he means, but I agree, what's wrong with sticking to the "tap, rack, bang" we already know. Probably changing wording to make his own catch phrase, but it is a little odd.

[slopemeno]

Not sure about Ayoob, but from what I have read, the doctrine is to teach ONE malfunction drill, not multiple ones. If you simply treat every malfunction as the dreaded "death-jam" (as we used to call it back in the day) it reduces the need for the student to diagnose the issue with the weapon. Dont know that I agree with it, as I was able to master the nudge, tap-rack, and death-jam drills pretty easily back when I began shooting with my league.

[Steve in PA]

Didn't know Ayoob was so unliked.

While he may have some good thoughts/ideas......he's also quite the bovine feces slinger.

[Jim Watson]

Slopemeno has it. All Ayoob contributed was the cutesy jargon. A trainer not affiliated with a newsstand magazine realized that one remedy that would work for anything but a broken part was better than a decision tree of diagnosis and action.

[BluesBear]

Hmmm I thought I read that the Rip, strip, reload was different.

Now it's been a while since I read it and I am just too lazy at 4am to go look it up. But as I recall;


You only use it when you have a Rideover Feed (the round isn't in feeding position when the slide hits it) or a Bolt-Over-Base jam (the cartridge is standing straight up, in the ejection port, stuck between the slide and the barrel hood).

Tap, rack, bang doesn't work well with these failures. The magazine often is caught on the cartridge. The cartridge holds the magazine in place and the magazine holds the cartridge in place. See the problem?

So you have to forcefully rip the magazine from the pistol, then strip the cartridge by racking the slide, locking it back if possible, and then reloading with a fresh magazine.


At least I think it was something like that.


Anyway y'all should grasp the concept now and know when to use it.
Or you could just continue to sit around and badmouth him. :scrutiny:

[stoky]

slap, rack, bang
hope it wasn't a squib

[Archie]

Allow me to say I despise cutsey little jargony phrases.

Long, long ago, in a galaxy far, far away...

In the Marine Corps, we were instructed in the 'firing cycle'. The eight steps of the firing cycle are Feeding, Chambering, Locking, Firing, Unlocking, Extraction, Ejection, and Cocking. We were taught a stoppage was any failure of a weapon in the firing cycle. Then, we were taught Immediate Action (to clear stoppages).

Since then, many of the Powers That Be have determined that above mentioned process is far too complicated to teach to the intellectually disenfranchised who make up the various law enforcement agencies of our beloved nation. (Please note use of heavy handed satiric comment.)

So we have "Tap-Rack-Bang" or "Tap-Rack-Assess" and "Rip-Strip-Reload".

The primary clearance is "Tap-Rack-Bang". One taps the magazine to ensure it is in place properly, racks the slide to put a fresh round into the chamber and bang continues firing as needed - alternately one assesses to determine if firing is needed.

The secondary clearance progresses if the primary clearance does not reduce the failure to fire. One rips the magazine from the weapon, strips any defective or jammed rounds from the weapon and reloads in order to continue as needed.

In point of fact, the procedures are sound. Did I mention I hate 'cutesy'?

I like Mas Ayoob. He's a bit self-inflated, but most of his stuff is sound. He is certainly better than a couple of other 'police oriented gun writers' I can think of and won't identify. I do not know if he invented these phrases or not. In all the training I've received regarding stoppage or clearance drills, his name has never been mentioned - not meaning much, I fear.

I am of the opinion cutesy phrases should not be used on anyone able to relieve one's self without getting one's socks wet. Maybe I expect too much.

[Nail Shooter]

"Tap, rack, bang doesn't work well with these failures. The magazine often is caught on the cartridge. The cartridge holds the magazine in place and the magazine holds the cartridge in place. See the problem?

So you have to forcefully rip the magazine from the pistol, then strip the cartridge by racking the slide, locking it back if possible, and then reloading with a fresh magazine."

+1

Yup, think that's what was being talked about. These jams are of the worst type--just as fast or faster to grab a bug IMO.

[slopemeno]

Hence the "Death-Jam" ....Thats a match loser, at best.

[BluesBear]

I am of the opinion cutesy phrases should not be used on anyone able to relieve one's self without getting one's socks wet. Maybe I expect too much. Some people remember things better if theor converted to a cutesy catch phrase. TV advertising had conditioned our society to preform that way.

Sometimes when teaching you use whatever works to get the point across.
And if the cutesy catch phrase becomes the accepted standard then you can convey the actions without having to take the time to describe everything in detail. Such as the accepted Tap, Rack, Bang! drill

Of course now we can actually discuss the drill since it has been established what the drill is.
As opposed to the first few replies where people were just taking a wild guess.

[Powderman]

The way I learned, there were two types of malfunctions/stoppages to be encountered in semiautomatic or automatic weapons (magazine fed, that is).

Phase 1 malfunction=tap/rack/bang.

If this does not work:

Phase 2 malfunction:

RIP the magazine out. Let it fly!

RACK the slide forcefully, 2-3 times.

SEAT a fresh magazine forcefully.

RACK the slide again, and

SHOOT.