while watchig my morning FOX and CENTCOM briefing they showed a clip of a US soldier w/ an AK. anybodyelse see this?
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April 1, 2003, 12:32 PM
I have a picture of a US soldier carrying an SA/80 also. It was on the latest issue of India Today.
April 1, 2003, 12:46 PM
I saw the one with the AK. I thought I saw a U.S. soldier with a SA-80 but I wasn't sure.
April 1, 2003, 12:54 PM
i'd keep my A2 but i'd also grab an AK and pull the stock off of it for CQ. there will be plent of mags and ammo lying on the ground after every battle.
April 1, 2003, 02:15 PM
I thought I saw the same thing .... but figured it was some U.S. Army version that I wasn't up on.
Not touching the .223 vs. 7.62 topic that this could stir up again!
April 1, 2003, 03:31 PM
I saw that, too.
I would say he was just retrieving it to be put in the confiscation stash, but it looked like he was preparing to use it.
April 1, 2003, 04:05 PM
"i'd also grab an AK and pull the stock off of it for CQ"
Most of the ones I've seen in footage already have no stock or a collapsible one.
April 1, 2003, 04:17 PM
Could it have been a special ops guy? Sometimes Army Special Forces, who can sometimes spend an extended period of time behind enemy lines, have been known to bring weapons w/ them other than normal issue items (or they sometimes use "liberated" weapons).
April 1, 2003, 04:57 PM
I thought I saw this video, but it looked like the soldier was in a wooded environment. I almost thought it was file footage of somewhere else, such as a weapon demonstration.
April 1, 2003, 05:22 PM
I'm sure this probably wasn't "it", but just as FYI - Armalite has made some "special" M4's for Spec Ops guys searching caves in Afghanistan that shoot 7.62x39, AND takes AK47 mags! They said it was impossible to hump enough ammo to do the job, and they'd sometimes be in caves FULL of 7.62x39 ammo and AK mags.
Looks odd to say the least.
I tried to find the link again, but couldn't.
April 1, 2003, 05:42 PM
Armalite has made some "special" M4's for Spec Ops guys searching caves in Afghanistan that shoot 7.62x39, AND takes AK47 mags!
Sounds like something the military would do. Instead buying a cow to get cow milk they try to make a goat give cow milk.
April 1, 2003, 06:03 PM
My bad... It's a STONER from Knight's Armament!
The Stoner SR47...
Army's New SR-47 Rifle
U. S. Special Operations Command (USSOCOM) has received small number of new assault rifles from the Knight's Armament Company.
SR-47 (Stoner Rifle 47)
August 5, 2002; US Special Operations Command is now using small numbers of a new rifle, the SR-47 (Stoner Rifle 47). This is, basically, an American M4 carbine chambered to fire Russian 7.62x39mm ammunition and to use Russian AK-series magazines. The first six prototypes were rushed to units in Afghanistan last March, and more may have been sent since then (but any numbers are classified). The original idea was to provide special forces a rifle that had all of the "muscle memory" of the M4 carbine (location of the safety, etc.) but which used Russian ammunition. That way, an operator deep in enemy territory could use captured ammunition and would not leave tell-tale US-caliber casings behind. This was a relatively low-priority project until troops fighting their way into Afghan cave complexes found themselves unable to carry enough 5.56mm ammunition while literally awash in 7.62x39mm ammo stored throughout the caves. The original plan had called for the rifle to use American magazines but the special operators insisted that they would rather use "battlefield pick-up magazines". The SR-47 has other changes. US troops are used to hitting the magazine catch and letting gravity remove the empty magazine for them, something that won't work with Russian magazines. So, the SR-47 has an ejector spring to push the empty magazine out once the catch is released. The barrel is free-floating, making the SR-47 the most accurate AK-47 clone in the world. The prototypes shipped so far include sound suppressors, regarded as essential for cave fighting. Theoretical design work has begun on the SR-74 to use the Russian 5.45mm ammunition and magazines, should US forces go into a country that uses that caliber.
April 1, 2003, 06:28 PM
I want one.
April 1, 2003, 06:38 PM
No, I could swear the one the guy was carrying had a wood buttstock and was definately an AK.
I would like one of those Knight's ARs, though.
April 1, 2003, 06:55 PM
I didn't think it was one of the Stoner's... I know you can tell the diff. between an AK and an AR ;)
it's just that while we were on the subject, it reminded me of this one, and I knew you guys would appreciate it :)
April 1, 2003, 07:18 PM
Some of our troops don't have uniforms on and probable picked up AKs so they'd fit in better.
April 1, 2003, 07:21 PM
I wonder how accurate that baby is?
April 1, 2003, 07:54 PM
Probable more accurate than the beat up and worn out Afghani AKs.
April 1, 2003, 07:56 PM
I WANT I WANT I WANT I WANT...I WANT ONE!! :D
April 1, 2003, 09:39 PM
it did look woodish in terrain. possibly northern iraq kurdish territory.
isnt pro ord making a 4.9 lb AR that takes AK mags?
April 1, 2003, 11:01 PM
I've heard that a lot of our tankers are picking up AK's as the M4 is still in short supply, and many of them have only been issued M9's.
April 1, 2003, 11:17 PM
Here's a link that Gewehr98 posted this for another thread. It has some more info on that Knight's 7.62x39 Stoner.
Man, I can't believe they only made like 6 of these. They'd probably make a killing on semi-auto versions of these in the civilian market just on looks alone.
April 2, 2003, 12:52 AM
Reason # 5,285 that the 1994 Crime Bill should be allowed to sunset, so we can own stuff like that again.
Who do I have to bribe/kill to obtain one? :D
April 2, 2003, 01:36 AM
Robarm has an AK mag fed m96 as well:
April 3, 2003, 02:50 AM
here's the picture.
obviously a posed one, just look at this "double gun" macho looking at the sand wall just ahead of him like it is a Saddam itself.
one must ask "what do you forget in this country far away from the home?".
April 3, 2003, 05:20 AM
Would not have beleived the stoner without the pic.
Staged pic? maybe.. why does that soldier need 3 pens on his body armor?
Wait are those BIC pens? OMG he's got a Russian rifle and an Italian pistol and a French pen!
April 3, 2003, 05:34 AM
While I have no military experiance, I think that might be a valid stance. If you see an enemy out in the distance, drop the pistol and let into him. If one happens to charge over the trench, forget the long gun and shoot the pistol.
Again, I don't know a great deal about combat...
April 3, 2003, 08:33 AM
Did anyone see the Al-Jazeera footage of a Feyadeen soldier holding a SA80?
They have enough problems as is without equipping themselves with THAT rifle...
April 3, 2003, 02:15 PM
Carrying an AK in a situation like that is a liability.
April 3, 2003, 03:17 PM
Carrying an AK in a situation like that is a liability.
Apparently, some of the crews of our nations fighting vehicles think otherwise.
I know I just posted this elsewhere, but it fits here too...
The M4 is apparently in short supply with some units, short enough that some of the Armoured vehicle crews are only armed with pistols (outside of the "big guns" on the vehicles themselves of course)!
Here's an excerpt from one of the members of the Fort Benning Rifle and Pistol Club, sent to all members by the Range Master "Jim:
"They have taken to using captured AK-47's as crew protection weapons on tanks and Bradleys.
Guys were literally shooting enemy with 9mm from turrets in the dust storm."
April 3, 2003, 03:59 PM
Those are army issue transparency markers for map boards in his vest. I would bet he is a tanker and that might also explain the ak as they usually do not have long arms. Company comanders and up usually don't have long arms. He looks to young to be a 1st sgt. Also specialty people don't usually have long guns but from the combination of the Combat Vehicle Crewmans armor the sidearm and the map board markers he is probally a tanker.
April 3, 2003, 04:53 PM
Carrying an AK in a situation like that is a liability. So is going into combat armed only with an M-9.
April 3, 2003, 09:01 PM
So is going into combat armed only with an M-9.
If those are your options and your "actually seeing combat" YOUR RIGHT!!
Its too hard trying to figure out who's who in combat situations, but I could identify the enemy quicker by the sound, and looks, of their rifle before I could tell which shade of camo they were wearing.
Shoot the guy with the AK.
April 3, 2003, 09:26 PM
I agree with ajacobs. Looks like a leaders recon.
What's the guy behind him carrying? Can't tell on my screen.
FWIW, the 24th did the same thing with their Bradley drivers and tank crews in GWI.
April 3, 2003, 09:52 PM
we should air drop SA80's to the republican guard.