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jsalcedo
April 1, 2003, 11:58 AM
Since receiving my CHL over a year and 1/2 ago I've been using it as a picture ID.

One reason is my drivers license is fused with that little plastic window in my wallet....

The Texas CHL has all the vital info on it including DOB, Drivers license number address etc..

I have to admit its fun rattling the blissninnys at the healthfood store.

Some folks are oblivious or just don't care, some look at me like I just handed them a steaming dog poo and others are excited wanting to know how to get one.

Does anyone else do this?

Are there any pitfalls I should be considering?

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MJRW
April 1, 2003, 12:02 PM
I wouldn't advertise that I can or am carrying to everyone I can flash an ID to.

280PLUS
April 1, 2003, 12:19 PM
one of your biggest assets is the element of surprise, if youve told evreybody you carry, guess what,,,element of surprise alllll gone.

plus some bg's might get funny ideas about relieving you of your weapon when you least expect it.

m

Greg L
April 1, 2003, 12:23 PM
I've done it once or twice when I'm in a place that either I don't frequent or have no plans on going back to. I wouldn't do it in any place that I am in on a regular basis (of course most of those people know me anyway... ), but sometimes it is good to shut up a clerk who's mouth is way ahead of their brain.

Greg

TarpleyG
April 1, 2003, 12:49 PM
j,

I have the same problem with my DL. To get it out, I stick a credit card in on top of it and they both slide right out together.

GT

Jesse H
April 1, 2003, 12:58 PM
I've never used my CHL as a form of ID. On rare occasions when they want 2 forms of ID, I'll just show them my student ID; that usually works.

If they're anal and want 3, then I suppose I'll show em.

Betty
April 1, 2003, 01:03 PM
I've never shown anyone my carry permit as ID - I'll use my DL or expired college ID.

I don't know about your CHL, but the TN one looks almost exactly like the driver's license. When a lady asked to see two forms of photo I.D. from my brother, he showed her his DL and his carry permit. She said, "Why do you have two driver's licenses?" The other assistant looked over and said, "that's not a driver's license, that's a carry permit, honey."

:p

QuarterBoreGunner
April 1, 2003, 01:45 PM
I’ve never used mine for ID- and here’s the thing: the permit they issue here in Kali is a flimsy paper thing (and the first thing you do is have it laminated or it will disintegrate in your wallet) AND, here’s the part that’s *really* brilliant: your photo is optional.

Go figure.

Matt G
April 1, 2003, 02:04 PM
To those of you in TX showing your CHL-- I'm torn to applaud or chastize. I think that you should never let strangers know that you're armed. In fact, if you show them that you're armed in public in TX, you're actually breaking the law. On the other hand, you're letting people know that "just folks" are out there, carrying in a courteous, polite, appropriate manner. Hmmmmm...

BTW, many states are like Texas, in that you can obtain a state-issued I.D. from the same place that issues D.L.s for a small price. (In TX, go to the Department of Public Safety, and they'll hook you up for, I think, $15. Or is it now $20?) It looks very similar to the D.L.

B.T.W., Texas residents can now renew their Texas Driver's Licenses online! (http://texasonline.state.tx.us/NASApp/rap/apps/dpsdl/jsp/eng/welcome.jsp)

444
April 1, 2003, 02:13 PM
Yes, I have used mine as ID when I was asked for two forms of ID. Why not ? It is a picture ID. I have several picture IDs and just hand them the first one that I come across. I have all the cards in my wallet in one stack. There isn't much left of the wallet and the only reason I carry a wallet at all is to store these cards. So, I just pull out the deck and start shuffling. Whatever comes up first, I use. I am not into all this "element of surprise" stuff. First of all, I almost never carry. Secondly you are not putting a picture of your CCW on a billboard, you are showing it to one other person as a form of ID. Sure, someone else might see it over your shoulder or something, but let's not get carried away.
There are several gun related uses for a CCW where someone wants to ensure that you have no criminal record. I am not sure if this is done everywhere or not, but here we use our CCW in lieu of doing the background check when we buy a gun. I also recently attended Gunsite and they asked for a copy of my CCW, I assume so that they didn't have to run a background check on me to ensure that I wasn't a criminal or terrorist trying to get firearms training. I am sure that legitimate firearms training facilites have to cover themselves so that the "news" media doesn't try to portray them as terrorist training centers.

cool45auto
April 1, 2003, 02:17 PM
Mine doesn't have a picture on it, but I wouldn't use it for one if it did anyway.

Chipperman
April 1, 2003, 03:10 PM
I've only used mine as an ID on a couple of occasions when they wanted two picture ID's.

jsalcedo
April 1, 2003, 03:12 PM
Maybe I was misunderstood.

I don't use the CHL as an ID to get into bars.

I'm just talking about cashing a check or showing ID for my Debit card or at the bank.

I don't go around flashing it like its some sort of badge sheesh :scrutiny:

As far as the element of surprise....

I don't think the teller at the bank is going to see my CHL and leap over the counter and throttle me.

Maybe the 70 year old lady at the supermarket customer service is going to whip out her mac10 and spray me with lead when I present my license.

I'm thinking along the same lines as Matt:

[On the other hand, you're letting people know that "just folks" are out there, carrying in a courteous, polite, appropriate manner. ]

JohnBT
April 1, 2003, 03:22 PM
I always use mine for the second I.D. when I buy a gun. When they get ready to do the background check with the state police I hand them my permit and smile.

In any case, I don't see that showing a permit in public is in any way equivalent to flashing a concealed gun in public. It violates no law I'm aware of.

John

MJRW
April 1, 2003, 03:26 PM
I wasn't saying I don't show for an element of surprise. I see where others posted that. I just don't show it because frankly it isn't anyone's damn business.

LASur5r
April 1, 2003, 03:28 PM
I go along with the other guys...the fewer that know that I have a license to carry, the better off I am.

We had a situation about a year back where an LEO in plainclothes went to pick his wife up at the hair dressers. When he walked in the robbery was already in progress so they got the drop on him. The burglars put everyone on the ground and began to rob everyone.
One of the hair dressers who knew he was a cop, yelled at him to shoot the BG's....I believe the officer was shot in the head before he could make a move.

Who knows, he might have survived if he had a chance to surprise the BG's?

Keep your licence in your wallet. Might save your life someday.

jsalcedo
April 1, 2003, 03:30 PM
I was replying to several posters at once in my last message
no offense intended.

jsalcedo
April 1, 2003, 03:35 PM
LASur5r

Thats about the best argument I've read on this thread.

Makes sense. Maybe it is better if the checker at the supermarket doesn't know.

I do have to show my CHL when buying a Firearm in Texas.
There is no call or wait for the backround check. Just fill out your 4473, show them your CHL and you are out the door.

Detachment Charlie
April 1, 2003, 03:43 PM
Made a slight error last week. Leaving LosAngeles, via LAX, I of course was asked for a photo ID at the airline counter. I reached into my wallet and pulled out my Florida CCW permit instead of my D/L. Oops, Miss California BlissNinny at the counter almost had the big one -- I wish you could have seen the look on her face, priceless. Needless to say, I was one of those who got yanked off to the side for a thorough search at security. Yup, it was me and the 80 year old granny in a wheelchair who were selected as the most likely to be Middle Eastern Males Between the Ages of 19 & 25 with plans to do no good. Next time I'll show them my Rush Limbaugh Fan Club membership card and REALLY get searched.:rolleyes:

hutch24
April 1, 2003, 04:28 PM
I use it for my id at the gunshop....:D :cool:

Peetmoss
April 1, 2003, 04:50 PM
My permit is about worthless for an ID. It isn't laminated and can never be. My picture is stapled to it, and my signature isn't on it. The only time I show my permit is when buying any gun( my permit along with this little white piece of papper I have gets me out of the Nics check :D ) And when buying ammo. I am required to show my permit for handgun ammunition.

Jason Demond
April 3, 2003, 06:54 PM
The BATF will not accept a MI's CCW, in loo of the Nics check.:(

ajacobs
April 3, 2003, 07:55 PM
I use mine for my id all the time of course my ccw is my drivers liscence.

I love Vermont.
We are the only ones going backward and making more freedoms.
Some counties tried to pass anti ccw laws and the state preempted it. We are also in the process of making fireworks legal.

bfason
April 3, 2003, 07:59 PM
I have no problem using my Texas CHL as a photo ID. It is not an offense to show it, or even to tell someone that you are carrying. Doubt me? Here's the law. (http://www.texaspolicecentral.com/title_10.html#CHAPTER%2046) Just don't carry "recklessly."

It sits in my ID case right next to my driver license. It's kinda fun to watch the different reactions of store and bank clerks, especially at Whole Foods, a quasi-health food/New Age store selling overpriced yuppie chow. It usually throws them for a loop since I have glasses, a goatee, and look as if I might have wandered in from a grad school seminar. Many people have been propagandized to believe that only gang-bangers, terrorists and rednecks carry. Demonstrating that we "normal" folks practice self-defense can go a long way towards smashing stereotypes based on fear and ignorance. It's a demonstration of who we are. (http://www.tsra.com/aagaard.htm)

One time I showed it to board an aircraft. The lady behind the counter looked up at me nervously and cleared her throat. "Are you -"

"No," I answered politely and smiled. This was pre-9/11. I have not flown since then, but next time I do I will display my CHL. To do otherwise would mean that the terrorists win, right? ;)

If word gets around that Fason packs, so be it. Part of me wants to shout it from the mountaintops that we are citizens, not subjects, and therefore self-defense is www.a-human-right.com. Another part says we should practice discretion, otherwise they'll throw the N-word at us (gun Nut).

A couple of years ago I drove out to the gun range 25 miles north of town, and decided just for grins to put one of my rifles in the rear window of my pickup. It's an evil black pre-ban SKS with collapsable stock and 30-round magazine. This being Texas, it is legal for a non-felon to possess a rifle or shotgun. No license or registration involved. Also legal to walk or drive down the street with it. There's a tradition (more in the countryside than the cities) of driving around with a rifle or shotgun in the rear window of your pickup truck, so it's not toally unheard of, although it marks you as a Bubba..

Well let me tell you what happened on my way out to the range. Nothing! No cops pulled me over. However, I did notice that nobody tail-gated me. As Robert Heinlein said, "an armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life."

JohnKSa
April 3, 2003, 09:34 PM
I've posted this before. When my wife took her CHL class, the instructor related this story.

One of his students decided that she would tape her CHL to the back of her driver's license. In TX, if an LEO asks for ID, you must present a DL and CHL if you are carrying or be subject to prosecution.

Shortly thereafter, she wrote a check at a store and was asked for ID. She presented her DL/CHL combo but inadvertantly presented it with the CHL side up. The blissninny clerk was unfamiliar with CHLs and after studying it for awhile saw that it had to do with guns and decided that it some sort of an odd hold-up note. She immediately screamed something to the effect that they were being robbed.

The CHL holder immediately ducked down behind the counter, drew her weapon and began trying to locate the robber...

Suffice it to say that it was some time before all was back to normal.

blades67
April 3, 2003, 09:43 PM
I wouldn't do it. It's a moot point in Arizona though because there's no photo on the CCW card.

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