rjk2475
November 10, 2005, 09:13 AM
which autos have triggers that do all the work of cocking?
Which Pistols Have True DAO?
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max popenker
November 10, 2005, 09:31 AM
"Service type" guns:
* Walther P99DAO
* HK USP var. 5 & 6
* Beretta 92/96 D
* Ruger P89/90/94/95/97 DAO
"Pocket type"
* Kahr
* NAA Guardian
and many, many more :cool:
* Walther P99DAO
* HK USP var. 5 & 6
* Beretta 92/96 D
* Ruger P89/90/94/95/97 DAO
"Pocket type"
* Kahr
* NAA Guardian
and many, many more :cool:
Don't Tread On Me
November 10, 2005, 09:41 AM
Well, what do you mean by "all the work" ?
Striker fired guns like the Springfield XD, Glock and Kahr are partially cocked when the slide is racked. The trigger pull does the rest of the cocking. Note that the trigger pull does most of the work, but not all.
If you want DAO that is 100%...look for a revolver. The hammer is at total rest, and the trigger does it all. Although the pull is aweful on most of these....
Striker fired guns like the Springfield XD, Glock and Kahr are partially cocked when the slide is racked. The trigger pull does the rest of the cocking. Note that the trigger pull does most of the work, but not all.
If you want DAO that is 100%...look for a revolver. The hammer is at total rest, and the trigger does it all. Although the pull is aweful on most of these....
nero45acp
November 10, 2005, 10:44 AM
FN BDAO (DAO Hi-Power)
http://remtek.com/arms/fn/bda/index.htm
nero
http://remtek.com/arms/fn/bda/index.htm
nero
lee n. field
November 10, 2005, 11:25 AM
If you want DAO that is 100%...look for a revolver. The hammer is at total rest, and the trigger does it all. Although the pull is aweful on most of these....
DA on my Model 19 is wonderful. I could shoot it like that 100%, never manually cocked, and be perfectly happy with it.
which autos have triggers that do all the work of cocking?
CZ-100 is another
DA on my Model 19 is wonderful. I could shoot it like that 100%, never manually cocked, and be perfectly happy with it.
which autos have triggers that do all the work of cocking?
CZ-100 is another
bakeryman
November 10, 2005, 02:43 PM
Taurus millenium series and the 24/7 line, I have one of each and both have smoothed out nicely.
MrTuffPaws
November 10, 2005, 02:52 PM
Actually, Kahr's don't have a DOA being that they slide must be partially cocked before the trigger pull will fire the gun.
Off the top of my head, for guns that have true DAO (pull trigger, go boom with out moving the slide)
Taurus 24/7s
Taurus Millennium and Millennium Pros
Anything from Kel-Tec
Walther P99 DAO
Sig Pros with a DAO hammer installed.
Most little pocket guns like the NAA stuff
Off the top of my head, for guns that have true DAO (pull trigger, go boom with out moving the slide)
Taurus 24/7s
Taurus Millennium and Millennium Pros
Anything from Kel-Tec
Walther P99 DAO
Sig Pros with a DAO hammer installed.
Most little pocket guns like the NAA stuff
MrTuffPaws
November 10, 2005, 02:53 PM
Striker fired guns like the Springfield XD, Glock and Kahr are partially cocked when the slide is racked. The trigger pull does the rest of the cocking. Note that the trigger pull does most of the work, but not all.
The XDs are not partially cocked by the trigger like Glocks and Kahrs. The XD is a ture striker fired single action.
The XDs are not partially cocked by the trigger like Glocks and Kahrs. The XD is a ture striker fired single action.
nero45acp
November 10, 2005, 03:39 PM
Seecamps
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rjk2475
November 10, 2005, 04:34 PM
DA on my Model 19 is wonderful. I could shoot it like that 100%, never manually cocked, and be perfectly happy with it.
This is the way i feel about my md 15. i shoot a sa and a sig .45 and would love to have an auto with the smooth DA of my 15.
This is the way i feel about my md 15. i shoot a sa and a sig .45 and would love to have an auto with the smooth DA of my 15.
Don't Tread On Me
November 10, 2005, 04:47 PM
The XDs are not partially cocked by the trigger like Glocks and Kahrs. The XD is a ture striker fired single action.
You sure about that? If they didn't rely on being partially cocked by a racked slide, then why don't they have re-strike capability?
Having handled a good friend of mine's XD this weekend at the range...it needs to be racked for the striker to fire. Unless it is some sort of slide disconnect thing..
You sure about that? If they didn't rely on being partially cocked by a racked slide, then why don't they have re-strike capability?
Having handled a good friend of mine's XD this weekend at the range...it needs to be racked for the striker to fire. Unless it is some sort of slide disconnect thing..
Don't Tread On Me
November 10, 2005, 04:50 PM
DA on my Model 19 is wonderful. I could shoot it like that 100%, never manually cocked, and be perfectly happy with it.
Well, I was referring to newer MIM made J-frames....a well tuned wheelgun trigger is a thing of beauty. But most people have never even seen or held a real hand-tuned revolver.
Well, I was referring to newer MIM made J-frames....a well tuned wheelgun trigger is a thing of beauty. But most people have never even seen or held a real hand-tuned revolver.
Longbow
November 10, 2005, 04:59 PM
You sure about that? If they didn't rely on being partially cocked by a racked slide, then why don't they have re-strike capability?
They don't. That's why its a single action.
They don't. That's why its a single action.
Don't Tread On Me
November 10, 2005, 05:26 PM
I am confused.
When you rack the slide on an XD, you can dry fire it only once. In order to do that again, you must rack the slide again. Note, that you just have to rack it a tiny bit.
Is this because the striker needs to be partially cocked for it to work, or does the slide reset the trigger? If the striker didn't depend on being partially cocked, then why on Earth didn't Springfield make the trigger reset on its own so that it would have restrike capability?
You can work the trigger over and over on an HK or Sig...but not a Kahr, Glock or XD...
When you rack the slide on an XD, you can dry fire it only once. In order to do that again, you must rack the slide again. Note, that you just have to rack it a tiny bit.
Is this because the striker needs to be partially cocked for it to work, or does the slide reset the trigger? If the striker didn't depend on being partially cocked, then why on Earth didn't Springfield make the trigger reset on its own so that it would have restrike capability?
You can work the trigger over and over on an HK or Sig...but not a Kahr, Glock or XD...
Longbow
November 10, 2005, 05:32 PM
I am confused.
When you rack the slide on an XD, you can dry fire it only once. In order to do that again, you must rack the slide again. Note, that you just have to rack it a tiny bit.
Is this because the striker needs to be partially cocked for it to work, or does the slide reset the trigger? If the striker didn't depend on being partially cocked, then why on Earth didn't Springfield make the trigger reset on its own so that it would have restrike capability?
You can work the trigger over and over on an HK or Sig...but not a Kahr, Glock or XD...
It has a short striker reset, as oppose to Glock's short trigger reset (striker is partially cocked). Its still a single action, as the striker is not cocked at all, until the slide is racked back. The trigger on the XD only releases the striker (fires the gun).
DA/DAO is defined as having a trigger that performs two functions, (1) cock and (2)release the striker/hammer.
When you rack the slide on an XD, you can dry fire it only once. In order to do that again, you must rack the slide again. Note, that you just have to rack it a tiny bit.
Is this because the striker needs to be partially cocked for it to work, or does the slide reset the trigger? If the striker didn't depend on being partially cocked, then why on Earth didn't Springfield make the trigger reset on its own so that it would have restrike capability?
You can work the trigger over and over on an HK or Sig...but not a Kahr, Glock or XD...
It has a short striker reset, as oppose to Glock's short trigger reset (striker is partially cocked). Its still a single action, as the striker is not cocked at all, until the slide is racked back. The trigger on the XD only releases the striker (fires the gun).
DA/DAO is defined as having a trigger that performs two functions, (1) cock and (2)release the striker/hammer.
WarMachine
November 10, 2005, 05:55 PM
The following explantion is for pistols that have already been racked and chambered to fire a round.
The GLOCK's striker is partially cocked, and pulling the trigger finishes the cocking process, and releases the striker.
The XD's striker is fully cocked, and pulling the trigger releases the striker.
...at least this is how I have come to understand it. Both must be racked in order to be fired again, but the racking of the GLOCK slide partially cocks the striker, and the racking of the XD slide fully cocks the striker.
The GLOCK's striker is partially cocked, and pulling the trigger finishes the cocking process, and releases the striker.
The XD's striker is fully cocked, and pulling the trigger releases the striker.
...at least this is how I have come to understand it. Both must be racked in order to be fired again, but the racking of the GLOCK slide partially cocks the striker, and the racking of the XD slide fully cocks the striker.
KurtC
November 10, 2005, 06:36 PM
Any Beretta D model (92, Cougar, etc) is a true DAO with double strike capability. It is also the smoothest one available.
The Sig DAO/DAK models also have 2nd strike capability.
Some S&W models, such as the CS45D have it as well, but most Smith DAO models need to be partially cocked.
I believe there is a trigger Variant to the HK USP series that provides for a DAO with 2nd strike ability.
The Sig DAO/DAK models also have 2nd strike capability.
Some S&W models, such as the CS45D have it as well, but most Smith DAO models need to be partially cocked.
I believe there is a trigger Variant to the HK USP series that provides for a DAO with 2nd strike ability.
Longbow
November 10, 2005, 07:44 PM
I believe there is a trigger Variant to the HK USP series that provides for a DAO with 2nd strike ability.
I believe all of DA/DAO USP's are second strike capable.
I believe all of DA/DAO USP's are second strike capable.
Rockstar
November 10, 2005, 08:40 PM
Longbow and WarMachine are correct about XD's. Don't Tread is correct, in that he is confused.
ParChaser
November 13, 2005, 01:15 AM
9mm and 40 cal and the trigger pull is sweet on a LEM version. just my oppinion of course.
minuteman1970
November 13, 2005, 01:28 AM
How about the Walther PPK-S?
Black Majik
November 13, 2005, 06:05 AM
SIG DAK's
HK LEM's
HK LEM's
owen
November 13, 2005, 11:17 AM
FN Forty-Nine (the pistol, not the rifle)
AirForceShooter
November 13, 2005, 11:18 AM
bersa .380 and Taurus PT-945
AFS
AFS
Medusa
November 13, 2005, 11:30 AM
FN FiveseveN, DAO version for military
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