[spacemanspiff]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030401/ap_on_re_us/war_conscientious_objector_2

how can you enlist in an army and not know they train you to kill? another freeloader wanting to go to college without paying for it. i hope they reject his claim of being an objector and force him to spend one week with R Lee Ermey.




[quote]By KIM CURTIS, Associated Press Writer

SAN JOSE, Calif. - With his sister carrying his duffel bag and his mother holding his hand, a 20-year-old Marine reservist surrendered to the military Tuesday and declared himself a conscientious objector.

Wearing camouflage fatigues, Lance Cpl. Stephen Funk turned himself in at the locked gates of the Marine Corps reserve center where he was assigned, weeks after refusing to report when called up to active duty.

"Ultimately, it's my fault for joining in the first place," said Funk, who didn't show up when his unit was deployed to Camp Pendleton. "It wasn't as well thought out as it should've been. It was about me being depressed and wanting direction in life."

Funk said he's attended every major San Francisco Bay area anti-war rally since finishing his military training last fall. He insisted his decision had nothing to do with the war in Iraq (news - web sites).

Those applying for a conscientious discharge must submit a detailed letter explaining how their feelings have changed since joining the military. Then there are interviews with a military chaplain, a psychiatrist and an investigating officer. The final decision is made by top military commanders.

Applications for conscientious discharges always increase during wartime. There were 111 granted during the 1991 Gulf War (news - web sites). Only 28 were granted last year, military officials said.

"The Marine Corps understands there are service members opposed to the war," said Capt. Patrick O'Rourke, spokesman for Funk's unit, adding that he hadn't received Funk's application yet. "He'll be treated fairly."

Funk, who grew up in Washington state, enlisted when he was 19 and living on his own for the first time. He said he caved in to pressure from a recruiter who capitalized on his vulnerability.

"They don't really advertise that they kill people," Funk said. "I didn't really realize the full implications of what I was doing and what it really meant to be in the service as a reservist."

Funk said he began doubting his fitness for military service during basic training last spring when he felt uncomfortable singing cadence calls that described violence and screaming "Kill, kill, kill."

Funk's father, Robert Funk, enlisted in the Navy reserves and was called up to active duty in 1970 to serve in Vietnam. He said he wishes his son hadn't joined in the first place.

"I don't think he realized how close we were to getting involved in this conflict," Robert Funk said from his home in Everson, Wash. "I thought his views didn't line up with military service and he should wait and really look at it."

[rock jock]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030401/ap_on_re_us/war_conscientious_objector_2
I notice this little whiner didn't object to drawing a paycheck from the govt. while in the reserves. But an actual war breaks out and all of the sudden he discovers that the Marines actually kill people? My goodnees, how in the world did they keep that a secret? :rolleyes:

This guy is an embarrassment to the Marine Corps and the U.S. They should throw his cowardly rear end in jail.

[cool45auto]

It ain't nothing a good swift kick in the butt wouldn't cure!

Conscientious Objector.:rolleyes:

[10-Ring]

Nope, give him a radio a helmet and a seat on the next transport to Iraq. What did he think, join the military, learn a trade & make $$ in the private sector? Let him serve out his military obligation in a military prison.

[BenW]

"They don't really advertise that they kill people," Funk said
:scrutiny:

[Blackhawk]

rock jock nailed it.

[El Tejon]

A Marine said that?:confused: Is this guy related to Congressperson Boohoo?

We aren't suppossed to kill, that's why we have 9mm pistols!

[LawDog]

Duplicate threads merged.

"They don't really advertise that they kill people," Funk said.

Horse puckey. Anyone who's seen a war movie knows that the purpose of the Marine Corp, and the US military as a whole, is to kill people and break things.

Funk said he began doubting his fitness for military service during basic training last spring when he felt uncomfortable singing cadence calls that described violence and screaming "Kill, kill, kill."

Then he should have quit.

There were/are plenty of people in the military who don't want to kill people -- we call them "medics" or "corpsmen", and they are the time-honored way for those who don't want to kill to serve their country.

Change his MOS and send him to Iraq for OJT.

LawDog

[DeltaElite]

Gutless punk, send him to Leavenworth.

When did we stop executing cowards and traitors? :fire: :fire:

[Blackhawk]

There's a different angle on this :barf: here: http://www.planetout.com/pno/news/article.html?date=2003/04/01/1

[Redlg155]

"They're not going to arrest him or put him in jail, and he doesn't even have to stay in the barracks, which is unheard of,"

Gee..I wonder why. A bunch of Marines seeing their Marine brothers sacrificing their lives overseas and now this puke lives in their barracks. He wouldn't last a New York minute in the barracks.

Good Shooting
RED

[ahadams]

I realize this may be trivial in the greater scheme of things, but uh, spacemanspiff - the guy didn't join an army - he joined the marines. Being an old disabled soldier (as in I was in the *Army*) I just thought I'd point that out.

OTOH, how about after that just-rescued 19 year old female PFC supply clerk, Army type gets out of the good guys' hospital they promoted her to corporal and make her this guy's supervisor for, oh, say, the rest of the war. Now *THAT* might be interesting...given that the Marine Corps would allow it...bet she'd just have a load of pity and sympathy for him now, don't you?:fire:

[Beorn]

I don't care if he IS gay, straight, bi- (which means greedy), or other... He made a committment and he renegged on that deal.

[spacemanspiff]

sorry ahadams, i meant no disrespect; i still am having trouble figuring out what to call someone enlisted in the Air Force, Marines, Navy, etc. Is there some general term to use?

and about this puke supposedly using his sexuality as a cop-out, thats BS. i thought they were "born that way". if he was, why does he then say: "Funk said, "Obviously being gay has affected my moral beliefs, in how I was raised and who I am as a person,". so gays have different morals and beliefs??? they are supposedly less likely to accept being trained to be the finest killers for their country?

however, i bet a shiny new nickel that they treat this case like a fragile egg. if the guy was straight, he'd be in lockup for failing to report for duty as he agreed he would.

its entirely hypocritical to enlist to serve this country and then say 'oh i object to war and violence, so i will not honor my promises'. the only true 'conscientious objectors' would, in my humble opinion, be experienced during a draft by those who report as they are required to and then submit their claims for whatever reasons. among these in years past during drafts have been members of the Jehovahs Witness religion. they didnt dodge the draft or disobey the orders to report for duty, they showed up and made their stand of being cons. obj.ers (sorry, those two words are getting tough to type over and over).

[ahadams]

Hi again Spiff - well anyone in the Army can be called a soldier, anyone in the Navy can be called a sailor, anyone in the Airforce can be called an airman (yes that is the correct term for both genders) and anyone in the Marines can be called a marine. If you stick with those basics you shouold be okay.


OTOH You're going to have to ask one of the Coast Guard guys what they prefer to be called since they actually work for the Department of Transportation and are just loaned to the Navy in wartime. Oh wait a minute, no, now they're part of the Dept of Homeland Security, which still doesn't explain the CG cutters pulling escort duty in the Middle East...shoot I never have understood how the Coast Guard works - like I said you need to ask them.

[CZ-75]

A number of great leaders, military or otherwise, have had homosexual tendencies, such as Alexander and Hadrian. I don't think they found their sexuality to be a factor in killing men or in ordering men to die or be killed.

Cop out.

I've been reading about this for a couple days on a car-oriented board, and few gearheads have any sympathy for this twit, either; even the hardcore democrats against the war.




Enlisted men or enlisted personnel would be an acceptable general term.

[Destructo6]

Service members should be called, along with a derrogatory:
US Army = Soldier ("army puke")
US Navy = Sailor ("squid")
US Marine Corps = Marine ("jarhead")
US Air Force = Airman ("civillian in uniform")
All should start with a capitol.

Hold Funk to his contractual obligations. He can carry a swab and cadillac if he doesn't want to carry a rifle.

[MitchSchaft]

and screaming "Kill, kill, kill."

That was my favorite part. "Attack chow hall!" "KILL KILL KILL!":neener:



ask one of the Coast Guard guys what they prefer to be called

I heard R. Lee Ermy call them Coasties on his show the other night.

[jmbg29]

Hold Funk to his contractual obligations. He can carry a swab and cadillac if he doesn't want to carry a rifle.Put him on the frontline unarmed if he wishes, and let him help "Doc" drag the wounded to safety. shoot I never have understood how the Coast Guard works the Coasties are in the Department of Transportation to get around the Posse Comitatus Act.

They are an armed service. They are employed in war time to assist in boarding suspect vessels, and aiding in surveilance.

Everyone in the Coast Guard is expected to be at least 6 feet tall.



That way, when their boat sinks, they can all walk to shore. :D

[boing]

Funk...enlisted when he was 19 and living on his own for the first time. He said he caved in to pressure from a recruiter who capitalized on his vulnerability.

Have some sympathy, folks...he's a victim.

:rolleyes:

[2dogs]

I laugh. Ha. HaHa.


http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/news/040103_nw_iraq_conscientious_objector.html

SJ Marine Reservist Refuses To Serve
Declares As Conscientious Objector

Apr. 1 (AP) — With his sister carrying his duffel bag and his mother holding his hand, a 20-year-old Marine reservist surrendered to military authorities Tuesday and declared himself a conscientious objector, weeks after refusing to report when called up to active duty.


"Ultimately, it's my fault for joining in the first place," said Funk, who didn't show up when his unit was deployed to Camp Pendleton. "It wasn't as well thought out as it should've been. It was about me being depressed and wanting direction in life."

Funk, who grew up in Washington state, enlisted last February when he was 19 and living on his own for the first time.

"I saw the valuable things you can learn like teamwork, leadership — things you can learn in Boy Scouts," he said. "I saw it as a way to learn new things and meet new people. It was a way to get what I thought was missing in my life."

He also said he caved in to pressure from a recruiter who capitalized on his vulnerability. He refused Tuesday to identify the recruiter.

"They don't really advertise that they kill people," Funk said. "I didn't really realize the full implications of what I was doing and what it really meant to be in the service as a reservist."

Funk said he began doubting his fitness for military service during basic training at Camp Pendleton last spring when he felt uncomfortable singing cadence calls that described violence and screaming "Kill. Kill. Kill," during weapons training.

"I was unwilling to do that. It just felt very wrong," he said. "I started just to mouth the words so I wouldn't get in trouble."

Funk, whose father served in the Navy in Vietnam, said he expressed his misgivings to several chaplains who never counseled him about the possibility of a conscientious objector discharge.

"I didn't ask for a way out, but I told them about it," he said. "I told them I'm having nightmares about what this is going to do for my conscience."

Funk's father, Robert Funk, enlisted in the Navy reserves and was called up to active duty in 1970 to serve in Vietnam. He said he wishes his son hadn't joined in the first place.

"I don't think he realized how close we were to getting involved in this conflict," Robert Funk said from his home in Everson, Wash. "I thought his views didn't line up with military service and he should wait and really look at it. ... I told him he had a contractual obligation. You may feel that way, but there are going to be penalties."

Erik Larsen, who spent four years in the Marine reserves, is fully aware of those penalties. He was a conscientious objector during the first Gulf War and was threatened with the death penalty for desertion during wartime, he said.

"My mom nearly had a heart attack in the federal courtroom when she heard that," he recalled. He eventually pleaded guilty to unauthorized absence, the Marine Corps' term for absent without leave, and spent nearly six months in a military prison, he said, adding he never regretted his decision.

"Violence is unacceptable," he said. "And being a conscientious objector is an honorable thing."

Those applying for status as a conscientious objector must submit a detailed letter explaining how their feelings have changed since joining the military. Then there are interviews with a military chaplain, a psychiatrist and an investigating officer. The final decision is made by top military commanders.

Applications for conscientious discharges always increase during wartime. There were 111 granted during the 1991 Gulf War. Only 28 were granted last year, military officials said.

"The Marine Corps understands there are service members opposed to the war," said Capt. Patrick O'Rourke, spokesman for Funk's unit, adding that he hadn't received Funk's application yet. "He'll be treated fairly."

Because Funk didn't report for active duty when his reserve unit was called up in mid-February, he will likely receive nonjudicial punishment, typically 30 days desk duty, his lawyer, Stephen Collier, said Monday.

At the gate Tuesday, marine officials said Funk needed to report for duty at 7:30 a.m. every morning while his application was processed.

Meantime, Funk says he's attended every major San Francisco Bay Area anti-war rally since finishing his military training last fall. And while he acknowledged he was surprised to get called up to active duty so quickly, Funk insists his decision had nothing to do with the current war in Iraq.

"I would be applying for this anyway," he said. "I believe a lot of those people going over there are going to have psychological problems and guilt. I can serve time for being a conscientious objector ... or I can go along and do something that I know is wrong and live with that forever."

[GW45]

Learn things like in the Boy Scouts - I have nothing bad to say about the Boy Scouts mind you - but don't ever compare the Marine Corps to the Boy Scouts.

What did he think we do for a living - Marines are involved in almost every major conflict, "Winning Wars and Making Marines" did that pass over his head???

His mommy had to hold his hand??? Thank God he will be out soon.

That "evil" recruiter should be told to be more selective.

[Hal]

20 years old huh?

So it's safe to speculate that this 20 year old was around 8 years old during the Gulf War.

Is this an indication of what the Clinton backed zero tolerance schools produced?

If so, then **gawd we_are_so_screwed**.

We're putting kids on a battle field that have had years of "be afraid of everything" pounded into them. And they'e supposed to face troops that have 10 plus years of "shoot anything that doesn't agree with you" training?

Troops that feed people feet first into shredding machines? ( One of the Rep Guard's favorite ways of dealing with dissedents)

[Leatherneck]

It's always tempting to conclude "cowardice" in cases like this, but I'll stop short of that and just shake my head in wonderment at a young man that could make it through boot camp and subsequent training without realizing that, fundamentally, Marines exist to blow stuff up and kill people. :rolleyes:

TC
TFL Survivor

[Double Naught Spy]

What a sack of crud. Why is that guy being allowed to breath my air! You don't join the military and then claim to be a conscientious objector. He reminds me of a bunch of the jerks that didn't want to go to Afghanistan who were in the military. As one noted, "If I knew there was going to be a war, I would not have joined."

So he is a conscientious objector. Give him the job of clearing mines. He can be as conscientious as he wants in that job and really has to be in order to keep from killing himself.

[SodaPop]

I have a close family friend that went threw 4yrs of college and did the whole ROTC thing. He was suppose to go in the military last year but his mom bailed him out and spent $78,000 to get him out of going.

I seriously lost all respect for him.

I didn't join the military, but I didn't sign up and then turn around and cry to my mother.

[Thumper]

"They don't really advertise that they kill people,"
:what:

[Steve in PA]

Thumper.......ya beat me too it bud.

:what:



You mean they may actually go to war and kill people??? The military does this????? Why I never..........:banghead:

Freakin' moron!!!! :cuss:

[Thumper]

I keep trying to be mad at this guy, but it's just too freakin' funny.

What a joke.

[Scott Evans]

We have enough young men of principle and courage to do the tough and nasty job in Iraq. We do not need to add babysitting one such as this to their burdens.

This guy missed movement (in a time of war no less) and coward in the face of our enemy. It is not a new phenomenon and the UCMJ covers what to do with such offenders. His attempted defense however; CAN NOT be given ANY credibility. I can see the possibility of collecting up genuine conscientious objectors with a draft. With what it takes to enlist these days, however; it is NOT possible to get to the point of taking your oath without understanding that you are joining a military force, the purpose of which is self explanatory. As such this guy and his family should be ashamed but not the Corps.

[ojibweindian]

:what: :cuss: idiot!

[foghornl]

Anytime you join up with a branch of Military Service, whether "active" or "reserve", there is always a chance that you may be called to active front line duty.


IDIOTA! ! ! !

p.s. The Marines are more likely to be called up first, from what I have seen over the last 20 years or so.


edited to fix my crummy typing. sheeeesh

[Ebbtide]

What a moron

[Ebbtide]

As I stated in the other thread, what a moron.

[HABU]

I'm suprised this guy made it through boot camp at all. He was the guy crying when the DI got in his face or thrashed him. :rolleyes: Undisciplined maggot.

[M1911]

"They don't really advertise that they kill people," ROFLMAO. What do you think the military does? What a freakin' idiot."It wasn't as well thought out as it should've been..."It wasn't as well thought out? Take some personal responsibility, idiot, as in "I didn't think it through well enough..."

Someone needs to be slapped upside the head, preferably by several very large non-coms.

[cratz2]

I don't neccessarily want to hurt the guy or belittle him anymore (he did that quite thoroughly himself). I figure, no problem. Give back all monies and tuition assistance you've received, pay the government/taxpayers back for your training and room and board during boot camp, get dishonorably discharged (this really goes on your permanent record), never be allowed to own a gun and we'll call it even.

I don't have a problem with some instances of conscientious objecting, but I think it might be time for him to move to another country, one that hasn't supported a war in the last 100 years or so. Having other Marines fighting for him is OK, he just doesn't want to do it himself? :rolleyes:

By the way, I just looked it up in my Whimp to English Dictionary and it says that 'It wasn't as well thought out as it should've been' means 'I didn't think a major action would occur during my tenure of accepting taxpayer money.' ;)

[M1911]

I have no problem with concientious objectors. What I have a problem with is people who voluntarily join the military and then claim to be COs.

[Blackhawk]

This :barf: was discussed quite a bit last night on THR, and it seems that he's also decided he's gay.

He definitely should not be allowed to be anywhere near our Marines. :cuss:

[longeyes]

How many military recruits are there for the education benefits? More than we think, probably.

"Funk" is a good name for this guy.

[Shalako]

"Violence is unacceptable," he said.

:rolleyes:

I guess this fella never heard the old saw, "I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees."

Get some knee pads there buddy...

[JoeSF]

Ok fair enough. He can serve out the time in Antarctica counting penguins and get a dishonerable.

[mussi]

"They don't really advertise that they kill people," Funk said. "I didn't really realize the full implications of what I was doing and what it really meant to be in the service as a reservist."

Funk said he began doubting his fitness for military service during basic training at Camp Pendleton last spring when he felt uncomfortable singing cadence calls that described violence and screaming "Kill. Kill. Kill," during weapons training.


Criminy! Even I, serving in a conscript army, in the infantry, know that war means killing. This guy is a wimp and needs to have his tender behind reared by the meanest DIs and then get some action. Or maybe the guy needs the same treatment as the recruits in FMJ.

[Betty]

-sigh- :rolleyes:

I'll bet he thought he was just so tough and cool playing Marine. But when he was finally called up to be a real one...

I think he's got one tiny, crusty brain cell playing ping-pong in his skull.

[4v50 Gary]

No discharge, general or otherwise. Rather, retrain him as a medic and then ship him to Iraq.

[Mike Irwin]

I remember a quote by a reservist that ran during the First Gulf War...

"I didn't sign up for the reserves to go into battle."

Obviously, just wanted to serve so as to suckle at the tit of college assistance.

He doesn't want to go?

Fine.

30 days brig time and a dishonorable discharge. Let him find out how tough life is with that dogging him.

If he's REALLY a man, he'd become a medic or corpsman. Marines have those, don't they?

I met a CO from the Vietnam era who was CO because he said he couldn't kill anyone. But that didn't stop him from serving, saving the lives of his fellows, and winning a Medal of Honor for it.

[cordex]

Disagree Gary.

If I were under fire and I took a hit, I'd sure as heck not want this fellow being the guy who is supposed to respond when I yell for a medic. Wouldn't want anyone serving on my side that was too dense to realize that military service can include war. Might forget that medical service means dealing with blood.

[buzz_knox]

The Marines have Navy Corpsmen, not medics. As for this scumbag, I don't want him in. I want him to get 6 months confinement, a dishonorable discharge, and the rest of his frigging life ruined. I want an example made of everyone of these pieces of crap who suckle at the public mammary gland, and when it comes time to do the job, whine about "I don't want to!" or "no one told me I might have to do fight!" I got news for you, moron, that M-16 they trained you with wasn't just for having fun, so shut your pie hole!!

[Frohickey]

"I saw the valuable things you can learn like teamwork, leadership ? things you can learn in Boy Scouts," he said. "I saw it as a way to learn new things and meet new people. It was a way to get what I thought was missing in my life."
Boy Scout oath has 'duty to God and country'. US Military oath has 'duty to protect the Constitution, from all enemies, foreign and domestic'.

I don't think this guy knows how to read or comprehend. :cuss:

[Bottom Gun]

A gay CO?
Hmmmmm...Why isn't this guy in France?

[Frohickey]

...fundamentally, Marines exist to blow stuff up and kill people.

Is that the job description, or the perks? :D

[Frohickey]

By the way, I just looked it up in my Whimp to English Dictionary and it says that 'It wasn't as well thought out as it should've been' means 'I didn't think a major action would occur during my tenure of accepting taxpayer money.'

My copy of the English Dictionary, under 'Whimp' has this picture.
http://abclocal.go.com/images/kgo_040103_objector.jpg


Marine Reservist Public War Resister Will turn himself in Tuesday, April 1, 9:00 a.m. 901 East Mission, San Jose (http://www.sanjosepeace.org/)

Stephen Eagle Funk is a 20 year old Marine reservist, 1/2 Filipino, a former student at USC. This week he will become among the first public war resisters from the ranks of the Marines during this conflict and the first on the West Coast.

His story is familiar to many young people who have been lured by aggressive recruiters into joining the military, and have a change of heart. Many apply for CO status, report for duty, wear the uniform, carry the weapons and grit their teeth for the months of waiting for a response to their CO claims.

The difference is Stephen refuses to do any of those things and he insists on going public. He is a very unlikely candidate for the Marines or for this act of resistance. Quiet, gentle, he claims to have been unable to dissect a worm in biology class. He studied biology at USC on a full scholarship in order to work with animals, but dropped out because he didn't like Southern California or the campus atmosphere.

Stephen sincerely claims he thought Marine boot camp would be his chance to finally get the experience of boy scout camp he had missed as a child. He talks of wanting to learn to build a fire and run an obstacle course. He was determined not to let the training change him as he saw those around him change, and in fact it seems not to have touched his spirit. He shot as an expert, was made a squad leader he thinks because he wouldn't follow, so they thought he could lead.

He was a bad match from the start, the product of an aggressive recruiter calling at 4 AM and 10 PM luring him to fun group activities at a time he had lost his course in life. Who are the young men and women fighting his war? How did they get there, and what happens to those who have made a terrible mistake thinking the Marines was just another career option, never dreaming it would turn into a shooting war. Guilty of magical thinking perhaps, but treason would be a stretch. That is possibly the charge he faces in a few days.

He will hold a press conference on April 1 in San Jose, and is likely to be incarcerated after that.



Boy scouts make fires, they also go fishing. Fishing requires cutting up worms and putting them on the hook.

[MeekandMild]

"They don't really advertise that they kill people," Funk said

Lord. :rolleyes:

I had the privilage of having PFC EB Sledge as one of my college teachers. His attitude toward people like this was they should be pitied. Then never trusted again and essentially ignored.

[Frohickey]

This was discussed quite a bit last night on THR, and it seems that he's also decided he's gay.

He's gay? What a waste! Going to all of those anti-war rallies, meeting up with good-looking cloudy-headed anti-war female hotties?

:neener:

[Kestryll]

Fine, don't serve. He should spend the rest of his enlistment in confinement doing hard labor to repay the Military for his training.

[Frohickey]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/duforum/DCForumID61/21691.html

Here is what the DU is saying about this 'conscientious objector'. They are actually fawning over this guy. :barf:

[Destructo6]

jmbg29, I'd thought about sending him off as a stretcher bearer, but there's too much honor to be had in that capacity and he doesn't rate it. Janitor is a more appropriate position for him, IMO.

[M1911]

If he's REALLY a man, he'd become a medic or corpsman. Marines have those, don't they? I think I might have mentioned this previously. My wife has a colleague who was raised as a Quaker. He was drafted during the Vietnam war. He went to the draft board and told them that he was a Quaker and could not kill anyone. They said no problem, here's how you apply for CO status. He basically said "No, you don't understand. I have to go to Vietnam because if I don't, someone would go in my place. I have to do my part, but only if you can find something for me to do that does not involve killing." He spent his time in Vietnam helping to locate water wells. On more than one occasion, while mapping rock formations, he was extracted by helicopter while under heavy enemy fire. That's a man with both principles and a big pair of stones. Quite unlike the current puke we're discussing.

[Shalako]

You guys mention how a dishonorable discharge could ruin this guys life. Heck, with all the anti-american nutjobs in San Francisco, that could be seen as a plus. He could become the poster boy for some sort of ANSWER hogwash or the like. That's when you know the libs have turned our civilization on its ear....

:rolleyes:

[M1911]

Shalako: Personally, I'd prefer that he get to spend some time busting rocks at Leavenworth prior to the dishonorable discharge. It is my understanding that Leavenworth is so pleasant that he just might decide he should have gone to the Gulf after all...

[jmbg29]

You are probably right.

[Ebbtide]

a former student at USC.

I wonder what else he has tried and found out "It wasn't as well thought out as it should've been". I see a pattern.

I dishonorable discharge won't ruin any life unless you want another govt. job.

[Blackhawk]

No discharge, general or otherwise. Rather, retrain him as a medic and then ship him to Iraq.Absolutely not, Gary.

This :barf: is not worthy to breathe the same air as our warriors.

He deserted in time of war. The UCMJ is applicable, and he can serve as an example for the future. :fire:

[Steve in PA]

I see where there are some postings or articles in paper putting the blame for this on "aggresive recruiters" Oh gimme a break. Its just another way to take the blame of the person. DUI's blame the booze or the cars......people blame the guns when they themselves pull the trigger, etc.............

He's just the south end of a north bound jackass..........put the blame on someone else instead of standing up like a man and taking it.........

Oh, I forgot.......he's not a man or he'd be with his buddies over in Iraq........instead he's got his mommy holding his hand........

What a puke............:fire:

[jmbg29]

Marine Reservist Public War Resister What in God's name is a "Public War Resister"?!?

They said no problem, here's how you apply for CO status. He basically said "No, you don't understand. I have to go to Vietnam because if I don't, someone would go in my place. I have to do my part, but only if you can find something for me to do that does not involve killing." He spent his time in Vietnam helping to locate water wells. On more than one occasion, while mapping rock formations, he was extracted by helicopter while under heavy enemy fire. That's a man with both principles and a big pair of stones. Quite unlike the current puke we're discussing. You aren't kidding M1911, the guy you are talking about, and Private Puke, aren't even in the same species.

[nascarnhlnra]

He signed.....he cashed the checks.....he did basic training...he refuses to serve....he is garbage. I hope they make an example of this puke.:fire:

[LawDog]

Multiple threads merged.

LawDog

[answerguy]

"Funk" is a good name for this guy.
Funk, you don't deserve to breathe the same air as real Marines.
Funk, you are an embarassment.
Funk, you are a coward.
Funk, you.

[gburner]

Gunnery Sargeant,

"In my Marine Corps, we learn to KILL. Can you KILL another man, you worthless piece of toejam???"

Cpl. Funk,

"Sure I could Gunny, but it would take days and days.":rolleyes:

[JoeSF]

Now he says he is Gay!. Yeah right, does this get him an honorable under dont ask dont tell? Smart lawyer.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=350&e=2&cid=350&u=/kpix/20030403/lo_kpix/6253

[DeltaElite]

His claim of homosexuality is irrelevant.
He is a gutless coward, devoid of all honor.

He need so serve the remainder of his commitment in Leavenworth, then give him a dishonorable discharge.
He should also be forced to pay back the money paid to him in salary and training.

[Sean Smith]

This guy is a new kind of stupid I hadn't thought about before. :barf:

[cratz2]

So what exactly makes a recruiter agressive? The fact that he points out the financial benefits and says it'll make you a better man, more honorable or more American? To serve your country by protecting it as others have done to allow you to live in relative safety?

I think agressive recruiters may be why Forrest Gump joined but I don't buy blaming the recruiter if the recruited has an IQ over about 85.

I noticed Funk, great name by the way, had a full scholarship to USC but dropped out because he found the campus life uncomfortable? Was USC really not liberal enough for him? All that's left is Sarah Lawrence and Bennington. Maybe he could go to one of those schools and learn to write about his harsh experiences in the Marines and or learn to coreograph interpretave dance that expresses his desire for a warmer and friendlier environment for a liberal waste than USS. But he'd still be in the bottom 5% on the man-liness scale. :rolleyes:

[JoeSF]

His claim of homosexuality is irrelevant.

Under don't ask dont tell he is entitled to an honorable. I think it is relevant as it isn't the reason he wants out but a clever legal idea to avoid a Dishonerable.

[Mute]

Lance Cpl. Stephen Funk ====>http://images.ar15.com/forums/smiles/anim_buttkick.gif<===Mute

[D_Burchfield]

Wearing camouflage fatigues, Lance Cpl. Stephen Funk turned himself in at the locked gates of the Marine Corps reserve center where he was assigned, weeks after refusing to report when called up to active duty.

IMO, the first charge is desertion during time of war. Severe penalty here if convicted. Waiting weeks to report is unacceptable, for whatever reason. :fire:

His unit is already involved in some capacity as it has been elevated to active status. BTW, does anyone know which type of unit he is assigned to. I didn't see any references to his MOS, his unit's mission, or their current assignment.

At the minimum, he should be charged and jailed for the duration of his trial. Put him in standard Military Penitentiary Green. He should not be allowed to interact with other Marines who have upheld their end of the bargain. I don't think his contract with the United States Government is open to negotiation.

He is a chicken-s###, sorry excuse for a man.

This is another great example of "It's someone else's fault."
:barf: :barf:
I'll bet that the "aggressive" recruiter held a gun to his head all the way through boot camp.

Twenty years at hard labor at Fort Leavenworth followed by a dishonorable discharge doesn't seem unreasonable to me.

OK, now that I've had a chance to simmer down and think about it rationally, call for a rally of blissninnies and shoot him for desertion in public. :evil: