Favorite 9mm load?


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Citadel99
November 15, 2005, 11:30 AM
Okay. I'm going to reload 9mm. I'm going to reload 9mm. I'm going to reload 9mm. Don't want this to turn into a "Reloading 9mm is dumb and a waste of time" thread.

So, what's your favorite load? Any favorites with W231? I'd like to standardize my pistols with one powder if possible.

Thanks!

Mark

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Jeeper
November 15, 2005, 11:54 AM
I like 147gr zeros with 3.2 gr of VV n320 or titegroup. Super soft and accurate

MNgoldenbear
November 15, 2005, 12:20 PM
Sorry, nothing with 231. (I do understand about cutting down on different powders -- place starts looking like a reloading supply shop after a while... then again, is that a bad thing or a good thing?:D )

I'm using DELETED of AA#7, 125 LRN molycoat from Bear Creek Supply (decent prices, shipping included), WSP primers, 1.125" OAL, light crimp, mixed cases (yeah, I know, but it's just for a Glock and they're not so hot that they should be dangerous given case variations). Getting about 1120 fps over the chrono from a Glock 19.

(Yeah, I also know people say not to run lead in Glocks, including Glock. I clean the gun and there's never been a sign of buildup in the barrel or front end of the chamber. The molycoats clean up pretty easily, too.)

Quantrill
November 15, 2005, 01:41 PM
125gr. Lee LRN on top of 3.5gr. 700X. Quantrill

Jim Watson
November 15, 2005, 03:09 PM
Without knowing the bullet weight and type or the gun, I will only say that Winchester data is rather conservative and you will not blow anything up by using their top load of 231.

Archie
November 15, 2005, 05:16 PM
124 grain plated bullet and WW231 - I don't remember the exact amount but your load manual should have one.

They shoot as well as any other practise load I have. They cost something like $3.50 a box. Cheap and utile, my goal.

callgood
November 15, 2005, 05:28 PM
I've had good groups with 4.5 gr of Titegroup and 124 gr Gold Dots. CCI 500 primers. Chronoed at avg of 1170 fps out of my HiPower. Very clean.

Also shoot Precision Bullets (LRN) for practice. Not with my notes, final load escapes me- I'll try to edit and add later.

That was "Titegroup" I'm the "tightwad." Sorry.

Zak Smith
November 15, 2005, 05:36 PM
124gr plated RN
4.2gr Titegroup

The Bushmaster
November 15, 2005, 09:01 PM
All these guys above are in a cloud:D . Favorite load using W-231? No problem...115 gr Winchester JHP, 4.8 grs of W-231 (My favorite powder for .38 spec., short barreled .357 mag, 45 ACP), WSP all in a Winchester case...Don't listen to these guys. They all hate W-231. It must be the easy flow through the powder dispencer, the consistent charge weight and the excellent burn rate for any pistol and short barreled revolver. Other then that I don't know why they don't like W-231. Me? I love it...:neener:

WARNING: 4.8 grains of W-231 is a maximum charge by MY Winchester load manual. Work up to it slowy and carefully...

frankt
November 15, 2005, 09:25 PM
I have been shooting a lot of 124gr fmj bullets from Zero with 4.3 of W231. It is mild recoiling,functions great in my semi autos and is very accurate.

I shoot too much to keep up my habit only with reloads and a single stage press, but I keep a bucket full of clean deprimed 9mm brass and when the mood strikes me I will put together 100 rounds. 100 is about all I have the patience for at a time. Brass is free, bullets,powder and primers are reasonable. You can't beat it for reliable accurate ammo, and plus it is relaxing.

Good Luck with your reloading.

Cortland
November 15, 2005, 11:08 PM
I just loaded 2K 115 gr. FMJs with 4.8 gr. of HP-38 (same as W231). Accuracy is not a concern, but they do seem to get down range. 3.8 gr. of Bullseye behind a 147 TC is an awesome subsonic load. I've also used Unique in some 125 gr. bowling pin loads to good effect.

The Bushmaster
November 16, 2005, 12:51 AM
Cortland...According my load manuals Lyman #48 and Sierra #5 HP38 duplicates W-231 in preformance only. Load data is not the same. 4.8 grains of HP38 is not the same as 4.8 grains of W-231. Sorry, but I can only quote what my manuals tell me...:rolleyes:

Cortland
November 16, 2005, 01:00 AM
Someone mentioned that 4.8 gr. is the maximum 115 gr. load for W231. Well, my Hodgdon manual shows the same for HP-38. I don't encourage anyone to start interchanging powders based on what they hear on the Internet, but I have heard from a number of reliable sources that HP-38 and W231 are identical, and the load data that I have access to tends to confirm this. It might be fun to buy a can of W231 and compare with the chronograph.

Deavis
November 16, 2005, 02:47 PM
HP-38 and W231 are the same powder, this has been discussed before.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=142715&highlight=HP-38

trickyasafox
November 16, 2005, 05:57 PM
i like bullseye for 9mm. its not the cleanest, but with up to 5gr in a case with a 115gr bullet its easy to check powder level

Murphster
November 16, 2005, 05:59 PM
6.7 grains of Blue Dot behind a 124 Grain FMJ. (I believe I got this originally from one of the Browning Hi-Power forums.) Outstanding with a HP. Shoots an inch or so lower than POA at 15 yards from my Sig 239.

The Bushmaster
November 16, 2005, 08:34 PM
Yup...You're right Deavis, and I will still disagree with you when I have several manuals that show different powder charges for each when they [even] list HP-38 along with W-231. I found it rather difficult to even find load data for HP-38. Now HS-6 is a different story...:banghead:

Deavis...How ya doin' these days???:neener:

Deavis
November 16, 2005, 08:55 PM
The .1gr difference (usually the offset) is attributed to the taggets. The powders are identical otherwise form everytihng I can find.

Doing good here, ich studiere jetzt mein Deutsch oft. Ich vergehe nach Dresden näechste Marz. Ich werde meine Gewehre ersehnen.

I'll never figure out German in time. Adjective endings, okay, I buy it. Gender, I buy it. But damn it all, verb order is going to be the death of me in dependent clauses. How is life treating you? Don't worry, I took the last set of rounds out of the tumbler this weekend and should be putting them under the microscope next weekend if everything goes well. :)

The Bushmaster
November 16, 2005, 09:34 PM
L O L...We still on that??? I figure if you want to tumble your loaded rounds, go right to it...Here is a direct quote from Sierra. "No. Aside from the possibility of a sharp pointed bullet striking a primer and causing a detonation, the deterrent coating may be altered which speeds the burning rate. Most tumblers would require the ammo to be tumbled for quite some time before it was thoroughly cleaned, possibly long enough to cause some breakdown of the powder or its deterrent coating. the simple answer is, "No, don't do it.""

In that I take good care of my stored ammunition and feel that any corroded rounds just aren't worth the trouble to tumble I remove the bullet and discard the rest. Gun powder makes good lawn fertilizer. Then I tumble the projectiles and load them in good cases...And I still WILL NOT substitute HP-38 for my beloved W-231 no way, no how...Not worth the chance...:neener:

Clark
November 16, 2005, 10:16 PM
I like 158 gr XPT and Power Pistol in virgin primed RP brass seated to 1.169" and shot from a Kel-Tec P11 or Glock 19.

The Bushmaster
November 16, 2005, 10:23 PM
Citadel99...You still with us???:uhoh: I hate it when this happens...:D

revolverman357
December 1, 2007, 04:43 PM
I like 6 GR Unique with 115 FMJ or 124 GR Lead. 8 GR Blue Dot same bullet.

Constantine-p89
December 1, 2007, 04:47 PM
Federal 124 grain Hydra shock.

philbo
December 1, 2007, 04:54 PM
124 grn RN over 4.2 grains Titegroup. OAL 1.155
115 RN over 4.4 grains Titegroup. OAL 1.145

IMtheNRA
December 1, 2007, 05:07 PM
I have been reloading for a very short time, but I was lucky enough to quickly stumble onto my Beretta 92-C favorite load found in the Speer manual #13.

Speer 115-gr TMJ #3995
Win 231 4.6 grains
CCI small pistol primer
COAL 1.135
Hornady dies
My own used brass

This shoots significantly softer than the Winchester white box rounds that I used by the thousands over the years and I was shocked to see the significant improvement in accuracy this load offers for my particular pistol.

I end up with a round that costs more than WWB 100-packs at China*Mart, not to mention all of the time spent, but I find that the significant improvement in accuracy is worth it for me.

By the way, I had to increase the charge to 4.8 grains to ensure reliable function in my Glock 19-C, where this ammunition also shoots more accuratly than WWB.

CZ57
December 1, 2007, 05:23 PM
To standardize with one powder in 9mm, you're going to have to consider a lot of issues. Most of the powder recommendations are fine for lighter loads in 9mm. And NO, reloading for 9mm is not dumb! It's about the only way to get match grade accuracy with full velocity potential. 9mm is a 35,000 PSI round. Formerly 35,700 CUP which is equivelant to todays rating for 9mm +P at 38,500 PSI. To me, the 9mm is a high performance cartridge, so I don't load light, or cast loads for it. Blue Dot will get that done, but with a long fireball. Ditto for Power Pistol or nearly any other double base flake powder.

I like recommendation #3, because #7 was originally made specifically for high velocity 9mm Nato rounds. It works extremely well with bullet weights of 124 grains and higher. Flash is very low.

V-V 3N37 will get you some of the highest velocities available in 9mm with good accuracy. Flash is moderate to low depending on bullet weight and powder charge.

HS-6 is still the velocity king. It's used by more IPSC shooters loading very high velocity loads than any other. Right behind it would be Ramshot Silhouette (formerly Winchester Action Pistol, WAP), then Ramshot True Blue and V-V 3N37. Of these four, I consider Silhouette and True Blue to better as all around 9mm powders, like say, factory load velocity. Silhouette is the lowest flash powder I've ever used in 9mm.

Flake powders are fine if flash is not a concern, but as pressure/velocity go up, so will flash. If you really want a fireball, it's hard to beat Power Pistol and Blue Dot. Blue Dot has provided some of the most accurate high velocity loads I've fired over the years.

Bushmaster is making a very good point that needs to be heeded a bit more. Unless a powder manufacturer says that two powders are identical, its best for everyone if you don't ASSume they are. Hodgdon will only commit to two handgun propellants as equivelant to Winchester powders: 540 is HS-6, and 571 is HS-7. The thing that validates Bushmaster's statement is something you may not have considered and he's not being heavy handed, but here are the facts. First, if your loading manual doesn't give pressure values for handloads, how can you say something is equivelant? Hodgdon and Winchester ball powders are made by PRIMEX. They start off from the same base chemistry in many cases, but because they are made to the specifications (or were before Hodgdon bought Winchester powders, formerly OLIN) they will differ in pressure at the same powder charge. This is the case for W-231 and HP-38. All you need to do is consult the Lyman manual where loads were charged exactly the same and fired from the same 4" ballistic test barrels. I could understand some velocity/pressure variation because of manufacturing lot, but not the differences clearly shown in the Lyman manuals that do show pressure values. The same holds true for W296 and H110.;)

Walkalong
December 1, 2007, 06:01 PM
AA #5 & WSF because they give excellent accuracy with good velocities and reasonable recoil for said velocities. They burn clean as well.

If you are looking for max velocities other powders can outdo them. ;)

CZ57
December 1, 2007, 06:06 PM
Yep, and I didn't mean to omit them. I should have added #5 and WSF to the same category as True Blue and Silhouette. If I couldn't get Silhouette, I'd probably use WSF.;)

peashooter
December 2, 2007, 11:32 AM
Winchester 124gr fmj over 4.2gr of Universal Clays, Federal primer. 130 PF

Clark
December 2, 2007, 11:36 AM
CZ57


V-V 3N37 will get you some of the highest velocities available in 9mm with good accuracy.

I agree that it is low flash and compared to other data high velocity, as listed in VV load data.

But if one approaches the problem experimentally tabula rasa, then Power Pistol comes out the velocity champion, despite what is published.

JFettig
December 2, 2007, 12:20 PM
I don't know what peoples problem is with reloading 9mm. I load for 8 cents a round, thats less than half the price of the cheapest factory ammo.

I use 115gr winchester HB bullets and 4.5gr Titegroup.

Jon

hawkeye1
December 4, 2007, 10:10 AM
OK one more. I use 4.5 grains W231 with 115 grain homecast LRN. Shoots great and reliable.

philbo
December 4, 2007, 10:49 AM
...Hodgdon will only commit to two handgun propellants as equivalent to Winchester powders: 540 is HS-6, and 571 is HS-7.

Sorry, but that is not correct. I would politely refer you to Hodgdon via email or phone and personally confirm as I and many others have that H110 & W296 are the same, and that HP38 & W231 are the same. According to Hodgdon, they always have been. Any differences in the manuals is a result of lot to lot variables, and/or different testing conditions. Because these differences occur, the powder manufacturers recommend reworking major loads when purchasing a new lot of powder.

And just for anyone listening, What CZ said about Power Pistol being a variant of Bullseye is correct. Look for it being sold commercially as Bullseye 84. The rest.... I won't comment on.

zxcvbob
December 4, 2007, 11:00 AM
I like 5.0 grains of Green Dot with any bullet up to 125 grains. (95 grain .380 Auto bullets are real screamers, but I have trouble getting them to feed because the OAL is a little short.)

I'm about out of Green Dot, so I've switched to 4.5 grains of Promo with 125 grain truncated cone bullets, or 4.0 grains of Promo with 135 grain cast round-nosed bullets.

CZ57
December 4, 2007, 12:57 PM
philbo, have you looked at data with pressure values given? I've heard everything you're saying, and I've heard it for years. Different lots I can buy, different test methods I'll buy, but let me put up an example where the same test parameters were used compiling data for the Lyman 46th edition in a 4" ballistic test barrel.

Lyman #358311 158 grain. This is a very common bullet and why I'm using it for comparison. There are a number of similar examples. A CCI-500 primer was used in both loads.

Max charge for +P is 5.2 grains of 231, Velocity 956 FPS, Pressure was 18,500 CUP.

Max charge for +P is 4.5 grains of HP-38, Velocity 944 FPS, Pressure was 18,400 CUP.

There is only a 100 CUP Pressure difference and velocity is very close, certainly dismissible to lot variation, but if a powder manufacturer says that there can be that much variation in charge weight (13.5%) to get a near identical result, I'd pass on either powder, or you can assume that different 4" barrels were used where chamber and bore dimensions varied by nearly 13.5%.

I certainly wouldn't recommend to anyone that they could ignore these facts and use HP-38 with the charge for 231.

Maybe I'm wrong, but when a powder company says identical, that's how I define it. HS-6 and 540 data is interchangeable according to Hodgdon at their website, as is the case with HS-7 and 571. I could cite examples with H110 and 296 in magnum revolver cartridges. Better yet, I'll just recommend to any reloader that they own at least one manual that gives pressure values with the load data.;)

philbo
December 4, 2007, 01:19 PM
philbo, have you looked at data with pressure values given?
CZ, The information I am working with is straight from Hodgdon. I urge you to contact them directly to verify this, or update your manual and stop relying on one that is 2 editions out of date and nearly 20 years old. ;) The 2007 Hodgdon manual lists pressure data and for every load HP38/W231 and H110/W296 is identical.

CZ, I am not going to detract further from the original post, so pm me if you want to continue.

ninja45
December 4, 2007, 07:36 PM
I've loaded 9mm with W231 for over twenty years.

a. 115 lrn or Rainier plated bullets - 4.6 gr.
b. 115 Winchester or Remington JHP - 5.0 gr.

Reliable and accurate!

Crimp
December 4, 2007, 09:37 PM
I certainly wouldn't recommend to anyone that they could ignore these facts and use HP-38 with the charge for 231. ~CZ57

CZ, first let me say I respect your postings and have learned a bunch from them. I've even searched several forums to obtain your posts, especially about 9mm loading with AA #7, True Blue and Silhouette. Kudos to your knowledge. I'm richer for it!

Now, about HP-38 and WIN-231. If you look at Hodgdon's reloading site (http://data.hodgdon.com/cartridge_load.asp), you'll notice they list both HP-38 and WIN-231 as they distribute both of them now. As an example, here's data for the 115gr SPR Gold Dot:

115 GR. SPR GDHP 115 HP-38 .355" 1.125" 4.7 1075 25,300 CUP 5.1 1167 28,100 CUP

115 GR. SPR GDHP 115 231 .355" 1.125" 4.7 1075 25,300 CUP 5.1 1167 28,100 CUP

And here's an example for 45 ACP:

230 GR. HDY FMJ FP 230 HP-38 .451" 1.200" 4.2 751 13,800 CUP 5.3 832 16,800 CUP

230 GR. HDY FMJ FP 230 231 .451" 1.200" 4.2 751 13,800 CUP 5.3 832 16,800 CUP

All HP-38/WIN-231 data that I see on their site is identical.

Now, I agree if I had a specific load with 231 and was going to change to HP-38, I would definitely back off and work back up to where I wanted to be using the Chrony and perhaps mic-ing the casing if it was a hot load. But, based on Hodgdon's site, I'm convinced they're the same powder.

philbo
December 4, 2007, 11:41 PM
But, based on Hodgdon's site, I'm convinced they're the same powder.

From an old email sent to Hodgdon about this:

Powder Equivalents
There are very few of these powders.
HS6 = W540
HS7 = W571
HP38 = W231
H110 = W296

There are no other powders that are interchangeable

Mike Daly
Director of Customer Service, Hogdon

CZ57
December 5, 2007, 07:14 PM
Thanks, Crimp! That's the goal.

I'll bet Citadel would appreciate it if we got back on track, so I'll end my comments with just a couple of points.

First, I'm going to rely on independent testing over any powder manufacturers claims. Years ago Hodgdon went on ad campaign that said "H110, the powder that screams NO WIMPS PLEASE!" The .357 Magnum load was with a 125 gr. JHP with a velocity over 1800 FPS. Down in the fine print you could read that velocity was obtained in a 10" ballistic test barrel. With a 6" .357 magnum revolver you'd have been doing good to get within 400 FPS of their claim, THEN, if you checked a good manual with ACTUAL pressure value you could see that what they were listing was a bit short of a maximum charge with a 125 gr. JHP. Well, there's wimps, and then there's wimps, I guess.

Second, if anyone has loaded the 9mm as long as I have, a couple of things would be lodged in your learning experience. American companies have a provable bias against the cartridge, and always have. Companies like Hodgdon make up SAAMI. Crimp, since you've looked at my past posts you've probably seen a repetitive theme. I believe the 9 X 19mm has the strongest casehead of the common autoloading cartridges. We know that ka-boom events have been more common to the .40 S&W than any auto cartridge, in my reloading lifetime anyway. Now ask yourself how it is that the .357 SIG should have a SAAMI pressure max of 40,000 PSI, since its parent case is the .40 S&W? .38 Super got a SAAMI pressure reduction about the same time as the 9 X 19mm. Both were 35,700 CUP previously (nearly equivelant to the 9mm's present limit for +P at 38,500 PSI), but the Super was reduced to 36,500 PSI while 9 X 19mm was reduced to 35,000 PSI/33,000 CUP. The 9mm is a stronger case than the .38 Super. Yeah, obviously cheap imported 9mm pistols are part of the answer and .357 SIG barrels give better casehead support than pistols chambered for its parent cartridge. But who's responsible for most of the SNAFU? Does Hodgdon tell you what the SAAMI pressure max for 9mm and .45 ACP is? It ain't 28,100 CUP (or 16,800 for the .45), so I'd like to see those load levels a bit higher before I base anything on that particular data.

I can't say that Hodgdon, or more correctly Primex, (Hodgdon doesn't manufacture powder, last time I checked they just sell someone elses!) isn't pouring the same exact propellant into two different canisters on Hodgdons behalf now that they own both labels and unfortunately, IMR as well. I think it's a pretty damn dumb thing to do myself, and there are mental wimps that are concerned more about marketing than comprehensive safety concerns.

Now philbo doesn't like that I used the Lyman 46, but mentioned that Hodgdon claims 231 and HP-38 are the same and always have been. Draw your own conclusions. I trust Lyman, SPEER and Sierra testing to a greater degree than I'll ever trust Hodgdon. I use the Lyman 46 because it predates the tinkering done by SAAMI. Ditto for the SPEER #11. I just happened to get a new manual delivered with an order from Midway: The Lyman P&R III, and btw, it also lists pressure values with the data.

Back to the theme: Crimp, what have you come up with as a recommendation for a good 9mm load? Hopefully it's something that makes the 9mm discernible from a .380!;)

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December 5, 2007, 09:24 PM
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I saw ELP in 75 or 76 right after they released the record with Brain Salad Surgery. They were not that good in Seattle, Lake was drunk and sang an octave lower than the record.

Bullseye 84 is what Power Pistol used to be called.
I can distinguish almost any pair of powders with smell and look except Bullseye and Power Pistol. For that pair, I need to measure density.

I don't know what you mean about your PP.

pakmcc
December 5, 2007, 09:34 PM
it's 4.6 to 4.8 of ww231 or Hp38, ANd what's nice is that if your using a Dillon 550B you can swap your tool head for the .40cal and reload .40 with the same powder charge. and base plate.
Don't you just love it when a plan comes together?
pat

Crimp
December 5, 2007, 10:33 PM
My current favorite 9mm round is:

Bulk Win 115gr JHPs @ 1.125" COL over 6.8gr Ramshot True Blue.

This'll read out as a hot load in most all the books, but before y'all start yelling at me, Sierra's 5th edition shows True Blue up to 6.9 with a 115.

For the life of me, I can't remember what fps I got when I tested it last year, but I remember it had a SD of 9 figured over 7 shots and was quite accurate, decently clean and no major fireball.

There may be better powders for 9mm performance rounds, but True Blue is no slouch. I just wish Ramshot would publish a wider and more realistic group of pistol load data. If for no other reason, it should help them sell more of their excellent powders.

Oh yeh - you asked about WIN 231. I also have loaded 115gr JHPs at 1.120" with 4.8gr of 231. Got an average of 1162 fps from a 4" XD with an SD of 11. Not too bad.

hawkeye1
December 7, 2007, 10:15 AM
One more.

4.7 grains W231
115 grain LRN

Shoots great in a Beretta 92F.

Vitamin G
December 7, 2007, 06:55 PM
I'm a big fan of blue dot, at or near max with a 124gr ranier. I know i'm supposed to load it like lead, but it gets better accuracy at FMJ speeds.

CZ57
December 8, 2007, 01:51 PM
VG, my results are about the same. Blue Dot really comes into its own when you push it to its higher pressure range.

Clark, it's too bright and burns when it comes out of my barrel!:D
Sorry to hear about Greg Lake and ELP, but in 75 & 76, he wasn't the only guy to show up impaired.;)

FM12
December 9, 2007, 01:09 AM
Here's one for you: 4.5 to 5.0 grains of Bullseye with just about any 115 jacketed bullet, any good brass, and Winchester small pistol primers.

5.0 is close to max, approach cautiously...and always check with the various mfgr's on line data or from a good reloading manual...no disrespect meant, but always verify any load you get from the WWW.

ArchAngelCD
December 10, 2007, 12:28 AM
Why do we have to go through this every time someone mentions W231 in a thread??? I have written Winchester and asked them about the lack of load data for some bullets I use and W231.

They clearly state in their reply that W231 and HP-38 are the same powders!!!

Here is the reply letter I received:
Dear Mr. xxxxx,
You can safely use the Hornady XTP data with your bullets. Use the crimp groove in your bullet and it will work fine. Hodgdons HP-38 and Winchester 231 are exactly the same powders. Anywhere you see data for one you can use the other. I'm sending 2 E-mails with data, one of which will have +P loads.

Dave Campbell
Hodgdon/ IMR/ Winchester
The above quote is a cut and paste from the letter so it's EXACTLY WHAT THEY SENT ME! In this day and age of out of control litigation they wouldn't tell you this unless it was totally true.

Can we please put this one to bed?? :rolleyes:

DWARREN123
December 10, 2007, 01:52 AM
Hornady 125 JHP (HAP's) 4.5gr Universal, Federal SPP and various brass. I have found this to be a very good load for my CZ 75 Compact 9mm.

Clark
December 10, 2007, 08:48 AM
W231 / HP38 = Ramshot Zip

CZ57
December 11, 2007, 04:18 PM
Clark, do they make HP-38 and 231 in Belgium? That's where ZIP comes from.;)

Walkalong
December 11, 2007, 04:38 PM
My W-231 and my Zip do not look or load like the same powders. I think that is just a rumor that got started.

Clark
December 11, 2007, 07:06 PM
I don't own any Zip or W231, and was just repeating what I read.

When gun writers say that to ME, it makes me angry, but I guess I do it too.

What does it all mean?
It looks like I was full of s**t.

tgt40
November 11, 2009, 05:21 PM
My current favourite? 4.0 grains of Red Dot with a 124 grain fmj at about 1.15 OAL. Why is it my favourite? Because I've got about 4 pounds of Red Dot \I need to use up. The question is, do you guys think small rifle primers (also because I have them) will make this load too hot?

Marlin 45 carbine
November 11, 2009, 10:55 PM
I've loaded 2 powders in 9mm with cast slugs for 'practice/plinking' loads, BullsEye and Red Dot with RD being cleaner and slightly tighter grouping. also more bulk which I like but doesn't meter as well as BE.
Power Pistol for jacketed slugs is all I've ever used since I found it is mucho better than BE.
nix the rifle primers or spmags.

xd9
November 12, 2009, 12:54 AM
i just started reloading and i am reloading 9mm. the only primers i could find are small pistol magnm primers. the oad i like is 7. gr of bludot with a 15 fmj rn bullet and magnum primers

armoredman
November 12, 2009, 01:45 AM
8.0 grains AA#7, 124gr Hornaday XTP, 1.122 COAL, Lee FCD used. MAX LOAD, approach with caution. Works well in the P01.

ArchAngelCD
November 12, 2009, 02:32 PM
My goodness, another 2 year old thread brought back from the Abyss, really??

armoredman
November 12, 2009, 04:27 PM
Why not? :)

ArchAngelCD
November 13, 2009, 12:12 AM
C'mon, really??? It's just as easy to make a new thread and why?? Because some of the times the info in old threads is no longer valid or the original posters are no longer posting on the board. IMO it's a little silly to reincarnate 2 and sometimes 4 year old threads when you can spark new and more current conversation with a new thread... (Just in case you didn't realize this is really a 4 year old thread started in 2005 and brought back the first time in 2007) :rolleyes:

Zak Smith
November 13, 2009, 12:16 AM
Yes, there is no reason to resurrect these old threads.

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