HK USA plant?


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Jaegermeister
April 2, 2003, 08:49 PM
I think I read somewhere that Heckler & Koch is planning to or is building a manufacturing facility in the USA. Is this correct?

Was there a government contract requiring one to be built?

Where might it be built? What will they make?

Thank you in advance for enlightening me?

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BlkHawk73
April 2, 2003, 09:02 PM
Been rumored for some time now and finally confirmed a short time ago. Apparntly the plant will concentrate on military/police needs. I find it hard to belive that the company would invest the funds and ignore the civilian market. Perhaps, by not having all the import costs, the prices may drop slightly? Also, with the introduction of the P2000 series, they'll have there hands full filling military/police contracts. (P2000 compact in 2004?)- www.hkpro.com . There's also been the long-running rumors of them discontinueing the P7M8. I'm hoping not.
I am wondering one thing... If they did start production of civilian firearms in the US, could/would they again market the "G3" seris and SL seies of long guns over here?

Schuey2002
April 2, 2003, 09:14 PM
http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8903&highlight=Tom

;)

10-Ring
April 2, 2003, 09:21 PM
Will be interesting to see what guns will be made here in the US. Hope the new owners are ambitious & innovative!

Robert inOregon
April 2, 2003, 11:00 PM
They are currently looking for a location to make military AR magazines in the US. No plans to manufacture firearms.

ahenry
April 2, 2003, 11:14 PM
Was there a government contract requiring one to be built? I couldn’t say for sure but I think that would be an extremely safe bet to make.

fatboyclone
April 3, 2003, 10:52 AM
They are currently looking for a location to make military AR magazines in the US. No plans to manufacture firearms.

where did you get this info? I didn't think anything else had been said besides the release from Shot.

MMcCall
April 3, 2003, 01:49 PM
They are currently looking for a location to make military AR magazines in the US. No plans to manufacture firearms.

Not only does that make absolutely no sense, it's completely unsubstantiated.

Come on man, semi-auto G36's for everyone! :)

Robert inOregon
April 3, 2003, 02:10 PM
where did you get this info? I didn't think anything else had been said besides the release from Shot.

When they (HK) took me to dinner one evening during Shot.

fatboyclone
April 3, 2003, 02:23 PM
When they (HK) took me to dinner one evening during Shot.

In the like provided by Schuey has a quote from the co-owner Keith Halsey "Heckler & Koch will become a much more American-focused company and we could not ask for a better mix of innovative new products or a more talented team of employees to to ensure the continued success of HK-both here in the U.S. and overseas."

Now which "new products" could he be refering to? An American made HK AR mag? I still find it hard to believe.

Robert inOregon
April 3, 2003, 03:00 PM
Now which "new products" could he be refering to? An American made HK AR mag? I still find it hard to believe.

Its an awesome magazine. ;)

fatboyclone
April 3, 2003, 03:58 PM
Despite what is said i can only hope that the US plant will be used to support the american shooter. I hope that the plural use of products in the statement indictates that there will be more on the block than AR mags. :confused:

VaughnT
April 3, 2003, 04:49 PM
I just saw a tv show that talked about the G36 briefly. I think I could own one of those and not feel too bad.

Think we could talk HK into moving to Columbia SC to compete with FN?

Yo
April 4, 2003, 01:34 PM
Sooner or later the m16 will be replaced. Accurate gun, yes, but I say good riddance to the fouling problems, the embarassing forward assist, the Rube Goldberg telescoping stock, and the strange 3-shot burst mechanism.

Right now, the g36 would be a leading candidate to replace the m16. The police agencies that have purchased them love them. It is very easy to configure different trigger groups and sight options. They basically don't foul, and they cost much less than a Sig 550 series.

By building a plant in the US, HK would pass some of the political requirements to be a major US defense requirements.

Robert inOregon
April 4, 2003, 09:32 PM
Right now, the g36 would be a leading candidate to replace the m16. The police agencies that have purchased them love them. It is very easy to configure different trigger groups and sight options. They basically don't foul, and they cost much less than a Sig 550 series.

But they cost over 30% more than any AR product. Parts are more expensive. And because HK operates its LE business like a CARTEL, parts and support can be hard to come by, which is the kiss of death in this business. In the world of budgetary cuts and limited resources, these are not good things.

Department personnel I've talked to that have had G36 weapon systems for evaluation either loan or purchase, responses are mixed. I'm pretty easy to please and will pick an AR over the G36 any day.

MMcCall
April 4, 2003, 09:41 PM
because HK operates its LE business like a CARTEL, parts and support can be hard to come by, which is the kiss of death in this business

And you don't think those problems would be alleviated by having a plant here? No customs, no ATF import restrictions, no tariffs?

Robert inOregon
April 5, 2003, 03:00 AM
NO! Looking at the P2000 fiasco. It appears that the all new management at HK can't find their way out of a wet paper bag, much less understand the US civilian or law enforcement markets. Remember, this is a company that is trying to pitch 1000 HK made Walthers P99's for nine hundred bucks. They think we're stupid! Problem is the mindset of their management. New owners fired all of their LE managers. Good move, but the failed ideas, aura of arrogance and lack of people skills continue at LE. In my opinion, owners didn't go deep enough during the Xmas massacre. Till they wreck it and build a new, don't see things changing.

Problems at HK are far more complex than just building a US plant and is something that has been brewing for years. Company has burned a lot of bridges and till they mend some fences, company is not going anywhere.

Drundel
April 5, 2003, 11:23 AM
Will be interesting to see what guns will be made here in the US. Hope the new owners are ambitious & innovative!

I'm hoping for a full size 10mm!

Yo
April 5, 2003, 02:22 PM
But they cost over 30% more than any AR product. Parts are more expensive. And because HK operates its LE business like a CARTEL, parts and support can be hard to come by, which is the kiss of death in this business. In the world of budgetary cuts and limited resources, these are not good things.


I don't know what your dept. is paying for ARs, but a g36K runs around $700 with a built-in optical sight and a true folding stock that makes it more easily deployed in a squad car. You can also change out the trigger group without tools, switching between a select fire group and semi-auto only.

Add the price of a Aimpoint or Trijicon to the AR and it actually costs more.

Spark
April 5, 2003, 07:46 PM
Not to mention that if they are built in the US the price will drop even further because there are no import & export taxes / tariffs to contend with.

HK isn't stupid. There is quite a bit of money to be made from US sales - both civilian and LE.

HK would love to get a bit of the .223 pie - and an inexpensive G36 for civilians would be one way. Cheap USPs are another.

No other company is poised to capture as much market share - not FN, not Walther, no one. Glock doesn't have rifles - and significantly, they are the ones HK will be going after.

This is HK's opportunity. They can use it, or snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Kevin

Robert inOregon
April 6, 2003, 12:28 AM
I don't know what your dept. is paying for ARs, but a g36K runs around $700 with a built-in optical sight and a true folding stock that makes it more easily deployed in a squad car.

Sorry, but you are wrong! If you want I can post a 2003 "wholesale" price list for HK long guns. G36 is in the $1000 (wholesale!) price range. Cartel pricing is even higher!

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