Man at Gun Show Shoots Himself in Bathroom (MN)


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LaEscopeta
November 21, 2005, 09:04 PM
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Man at Gun Show Shoots Himself in Bathroom
Monday, November 21, 2005
FARIBAULT, Minn. - A trip to the restroom resulted in a trip to the hospital for a Bloomington man who accidentally shot himself in the hand over the weekend at a gun show.

Faribault Police Sgt. Richard Larson said the 59-year-old man shot himself while removing his gun from a hook in a bathroom stall while attending the 31st annual Faribault Rifle and Pistol Club gun show on Sunday morning.

The man was taken to a local hospital, where he was treated and released by Sunday afternoon.

The gun show was at the National Guard Armory on Saturday and Sunday.

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f4t9r
November 21, 2005, 09:12 PM
Can you imagine being in the stall right next to this guy
prob be glad you were sitting on the throne because that would scare the crap right out of ya.

HighVelocity
November 21, 2005, 09:16 PM
Yikes! Who hangs a loaded gun on a hook? :uhoh:

At the gun shows here they put a zip tie through the action or barrel to show it's unloaded.
If you get caught with a gun that doesn't have the zip tie in place you get shown the door.

P0832177
November 21, 2005, 09:39 PM
Was there Sat. morning. This is a small NG Armory, that has small cramped restroom. No speculation as to the "why", but there was staff checking guns before entry into the floor with the tables.

Dave Dembinski
November 21, 2005, 09:46 PM
Thank Heaven this wasn't what I first suspected from the title. I was afraid he offed himself intentionally. Strange to be relieved that he only shot himself in the hand.

Standing Wolf
November 21, 2005, 09:51 PM
Some people can't even visit the throne room without wreaking havoc.

Kurush
November 21, 2005, 09:59 PM
He hung it on the hook from the trigger guard didn't he? *sigh*

Just for arguing: did he actually violate any of the 4 rules? The rule for bang switches is about boogerhooks not coathooks.

444
November 21, 2005, 10:04 PM
This isn't an unheard of thing.
At Gunsite, they have dowel rods on the wall for you to put your handgun on, by the muzzle, while you are using the facilities (the dowel goes down the barrel: they have two, one for .45 and one for 9mm). They implied that there was a reason behind it.
In a perfect world I envision every public bathroom being equipped with such a set up by federal law. They have a handicapped stall by law and somewhere to safely put your gun while your pants are down by federal law in my perfect world.

F4GIB
November 21, 2005, 10:21 PM
He hung it on the hook from the trigger guard didn't he? *sigh*


Yes. It was a Glock. I've been told by someone who was there that he fired more than once.

Dave Dembinski
November 21, 2005, 10:23 PM
Yes. It was a Glock. I've been told by someone who was there that he fired more than once.

Thing probably bump-fired itself on the hook. It's a wonder no-one was killed.

dpesec
November 21, 2005, 10:25 PM
Well I went to a gun show near me Saturday. I can't tell you how uncomfortable I was. I was constantly being swept with muzzles. :what:
Yes all the actions were cable tied off, but boy I felt like a cat in a room full of rocking chairs

rudolf
November 22, 2005, 01:13 AM
I would guess he wanted to carry loaded, so he went in with the gun empty, loaded it in the stall, sat down, and then goofed it.

silverlance
November 22, 2005, 01:21 AM
why carry piped in the stall? for pete's sake, just lay it on the floor! if someone is going to attack you in the stall (and what a low life that must be) you have plenty of time to rack and fire. or even if you do carry piped, lay it down anyway.

444
November 22, 2005, 01:29 AM
For those that live in non CCW states. Here is the situation:
You carry a fully locked and loaded handgun 24/7/365.
When you use the bathroom, having a handgun in a holster on your pants makes pulling up your pants a pain. Try it if you don't believe me. It isn't unusual to remove your handgun from your holster and lay it down on the sink or somewhere until you are ready to leave.
Who knows what happened to this guy, but one guess would be that he dropped his handgun, tried to catch it and accidently stuck his finger inside the trigger guard while it was falling. This wouldn't be out of the question. If you carry IWB, it isn't unusual to have your holster turn upside down when you are pulling up your pants. This is a good reason to remove the handgun from the holster prior to downloading.

mindpilot
November 22, 2005, 01:36 AM
This incident looks to make the gunshow in Hastings MN this weekend a HAVEN for off duty LEO's and security wanting to search you before you take a CRAP....course always more of them then buyers there anyway. Sheesh

:cuss: :banghead: :what:

M-Rex
November 22, 2005, 01:38 AM
I'm sorry, but there ARE people too stupid to own a firearm.:cuss:

Beach
November 22, 2005, 01:42 AM
Yes, its a pain to pull your pants up and fasten the belt with a holstered gun. Its probably worth it though, so you dont forget your gun in the restroom.

Another solution I read was to drop it in your underwear while your pants are down so you cant forget about it. You still have the issue of fastening your pants and belt with a gun on the belt. I have put it on the TP holder or tucked it under my arm while fastening the belt. I keep my eye on it the whole time its not touching my body, so it cant be left behind. Stranger things have happened.

1911Tuner
November 22, 2005, 08:19 AM
1. Yes. It's loaded.
2. Pulling the trigger makes it go bang.
3. Don't point it at anything that you don't want to make a hole in.
4....Never mind. If they don't understand the first three, they won't make this connection either.

:rolleyes:

Some people should take up needlepoint...

eagle45
November 22, 2005, 08:23 AM
This isn't an unheard of thing.
In a perfect world I envision every public bathroom being equipped with such a set up by federal law. They have a handicapped stall by law and somewhere to safely put your gun while your pants are down by federal law in my perfect world.

+1

Except in a really perfect world, it would be done due to common sense and courtesy, rather than federal law! :D

redneck2
November 22, 2005, 08:30 AM
One time on a very well known Glock-related forum, I asked about adding some kind of safety mechanism to my G20. I was told in no uncertain terms what an idiot I was

As above, I suspect it was dropped. He tried to catch it with both hands. One ended up on the business end and the other on the trigger.

That said, if he'd have unloaded the gun as he should have, it wouldn't have been an issue

Unfortunately, this is probably one of the guys that thinks he's smarter than everyone else. Just proved himself wrong.

Perhaps he should go back to the show and get a better holster

El Tejon
November 22, 2005, 08:39 AM
Hooks, dowel rods, wth?:confused:

Doesn't anyone else just leave it in the holster? Maybe I'm just talented?:D

280PLUS
November 22, 2005, 08:48 AM
Some people should take up needlepoint... They'd just get hurt doing that too.

If I'm carrying holstered it is IWB so when, in the rare instances that I need to drop trou in a public toilet, I just loosen the belt and then grab and use the gun and holster to lower my pants. Making sure it doesn't spill out upside down. Then I just fold it inwards at the bottom keeping it in the holster. Same thing when reversing the procedure, I make sure I have control of the gun before pulling up. In my house I take it out and lay it on the vanity first. I usually carry an airweight .32 in my pocket which is not a problem taking down but you do have to make sure it's not twisted up in there before pulling up.

I woulda never thought I'd be discussing such a topic on a public forum but hey, if it prevents someone from shooting themselves I guess I can handle it.

Henry Bowman
November 22, 2005, 10:19 AM
Doesn't anyone else just leave it in the holster? Maybe I'm just talented?We must have picked it up in first year torts or something because I've not had a problem with it either.

MikeIsaj
November 22, 2005, 10:38 AM
Doesn't anyone else just leave it in the holster?Yes I do, because I am just absent minded enough to leave it somewhere if I don't.

Yes, it is a pain in the a** pulling pants up. Like everything else about carrying, it requires a differient level of skills and awareness, but it is possible. A good holster also helps. You can't buy a $10.00 Uncle Mikes IWB and expect it to stay attached. (I've always ondered why people will spend $500 - $1,000 for a weapon and cheap out on the holster.)

molonlabe
November 22, 2005, 11:17 AM
having a handgun in a holster on your pants makes pulling up your pants a pain.

I would get a holster that has better retention and stays put on your belt. Both my S&W 357 and Sig 230 retain quite well especially when upside down. Only once when I had the model 60 in the holster for the 357 it dropped out into the toilet :what: because it is slightly smaller than the 357. I don’t carry it anymore unless I can get one to fit it.

jem375
November 22, 2005, 11:51 AM
He probably was an armed vendor there..

hm
November 22, 2005, 12:53 PM
Any charges filed in this incident?

Olys45
November 24, 2005, 10:43 AM
wow, that is scary... I grew up in Southern Minnesota and I probably went to that show every year in the 80's, with the exception of '89 since I was in Air Force Basic Training.

I'll have to call my Pop to see what went down.

1911Tuner
November 24, 2005, 11:02 AM
Quote:

>They'd just get hurt doing that too.<
****************************

Yep...but their chances of hurtin' somebody else would drop.:rolleyes:

Shootcraps
November 24, 2005, 11:49 AM
He probably was an armed vendor there..

At our shows they don't allow anyone, even vendors to be armed. This is probably another idiot who thinks he should be able to carry in a show even when it's posted not to. These idiots need to be weeded out or there won't be any more gun shows because of these accidents.

Now the promoter's insurance is going to pay this idiots medical bills. Stupid.

Beren
November 24, 2005, 11:59 AM
Most every stall I've ever "utilized" has a toilet paper dispenser in it. I unholster, set my pistol ontop of it, do my business, buckle up, and reholster. I even have enough presence of mind not to reholster with the hand that utilizes the TP. I've never had a bathroom experience so intense that I forgot my pistol behind, but I guess it happens to some people.

I've carried concealed at shows. If they notice and ask me to leave, fine. I don't see it as anymore "idiotic" to carry at a gunshow than anywhere else. The "idiots" are the ones who are careless with their firearms.

Sigh. There's a Beavis and Butthead joke lurking somewhere in this story. I'm glad the guy is okay. ("I AM CORNHOLIO! I NEED TP FOR MY BUNGHOLE!" "DO YOU MOCK ME?" "Heh. Heh.")

coylh
November 24, 2005, 03:30 PM
I leave mine holstered when using a toilet. I don't think I have any special technique, and I don't remember it being a problem.

losangeles
November 24, 2005, 03:58 PM
Nothing unusual. Statistically very probable (obviously, it happens). I mean sh*t happens!

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