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TMM
November 22, 2005, 04:42 PM
which is better:
if you see an animal dying, say about half dead, would you:

1)kill it quickly to put it out of pain
or
2)let it lie there outside and die slowly?

well, my gun-hating, meat-hating,vegan, PETA fool friend says it's better to let it die slowly.

why?

because serial killers kill animals when they were kids, and he's not a serial killer.

"but connor, there was that serial killer who would buy mice and kill them and he took his cat and dragged it behind his bike until it was almost dead - see? serial killers kill animals when they're kids"

just a look inside a bliss ninny's head.

that is all.
~TMM

...little did he realize that the serial killer killed the animals for enjoyment, not out of sympathy...

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grizz5675
November 22, 2005, 05:06 PM
I wouldn't hesitate to shoot the animal ,to put it out of it's misery,however you have to watch out there are laws about killing domesticated animals .If nobody see's you do it then nobody has to know.

mindpilot
November 22, 2005, 05:08 PM
I would break out my 9mm then break out the grill and A1 steak sauce!!!!

PETA= People Eating Tasty Animals

KriegHund
November 22, 2005, 05:09 PM
Ask him ,if he knew he was going to do either way, would he want to die agonizingly slow painfull death by 2 needles or would he rather just be shot in th head?

PaladinVC
November 22, 2005, 05:13 PM
Heh. I've heard that one. I have a similar tale:

A buddy and his quiet girlfriend were visiting a few years ago. He was a childhood friend, and we had spent a lot of time shooting BB guns together and such. I was getting a bag ready for the range when they dropped by, and after a half-hour of pleasant chit-chat, I remarked that I should get going and invited them to join me.

In response to my invitation, the girlfriend piped up and said, in a recitory tone of voice, "People who know how to use weapons are more likely to use them against their family and friends." I stared at my buddy for a few seconds, then replied that I refused to live my life preparing for the moment when I go nuts and decide to execute my loved ones. They left shortly thereafter, and our relationship has been chilly ever since.

I was a groomsman at their wedding. The other two, his old room mates from college, had similar stories.

CentralTexas
November 22, 2005, 05:16 PM
I'm a gun loving vegetarian that would put the animal out of it's misery.
There, order and balance is restored to the universe...
CT:p

paul45
November 22, 2005, 05:16 PM
well, my gun-hating, meat-hating,vegan, PETA fool friend says it's better to let it die slowly.
......My question is...how do you stomach having a friend like that? And I bet that fool is all for assisted suicide.....:barf:

f4t9r
November 22, 2005, 05:18 PM
put it out of its misery

ArmedBear
November 22, 2005, 05:19 PM
I'd rescue a dog that could be saved.

Otherwise, I'd put dying wildlife out of its misery, most likely. There's a group here that rescues injured wildlife. I'd call them if it could be saved.

Just because I might shoot something to eat (or eat meat from an animal killed by someone else) doesn't mean I won't rescue wildlife. The wildlife rescue types don't get that, though. They have big hearts, but small minds.

Henry Bowman
November 22, 2005, 05:54 PM
Put your gun-hating, meat-hating,vegan, PETA fool friend out of his/her misery. :barf: My guess is that you will soon identify other things that you do not have in common until they outnumber the things that you do have in common.

Standing Wolf
November 22, 2005, 07:02 PM
because serial killers kill animals when they were kids, and he's not a serial killer.

You have to wonder what he's trying to prove and whom he's trying to prove it to.

On second thought, I believe I'd rather not know.

ceetee
November 22, 2005, 07:13 PM
Tell your "gun-hating, meat-hating,vegan, PETA fool friend" that one is an act of kindness, while the other is an act of cruelty, and ask whether he'd rather be kind, or cruel.

bigun15
November 22, 2005, 07:18 PM
Well maybe you should put the PETA guy out of his misery.

Hawkmoon
November 22, 2005, 07:31 PM
Ask him ,if he knew he was going to do either way, would he want to die agonizingly slow painfull death by 2 needles or would he rather just be shot in th head?
More to the point ... if he had just been run over by an 18-wheeler and was lying on the side of the road, most of the bones in his body broken beyond repair and his intestines hanging out through the gaping hole in his abdomen, would he prefer that the guy who stops and has a pistol on his belt just drive away and leave him there to die "peacefully," or would he rather the guunie put him out of his way mercifully?

Hasn't he ever heard the expression "They shoot horses, don't they?" Doesn't he have a clue what that refers to? (Never mind ... stupid question, not deserving of a response.)

Kurt_M
November 22, 2005, 08:23 PM
I've done it before (mostly small animals injured by lawn equipment) and would do it again. I always feel terrible but it's more humane than letting the poor little thing bleed to death.

Tokugawa
November 22, 2005, 08:40 PM
On one of the motorcycle boards I frequent , someone posted a story with photos. Apparently a driver hit a cougar directly in front of him. The animal was severely injured and another driver pulled up, looked at the poor creature and put it out of it's agony with a pistol shot. The driver that hit the lion was , coincidentally a lady who worked at a shelter for injured big cats. I don't recall how she took it.

TallPine
November 22, 2005, 09:13 PM
A guy up here rolled his pickup and horse trailer, and he was trapped in the cab.

The hiway patrol came along and found his horse with a broken leg in the trailer, so he pulled out his gun and shot it.

Then he found the guy's dog that had been thrown out of the back of the pickup and hurt bad, so the patrolman shot the dog too.

The patrol walked up to the pickup, leaned down and asked the driver how he was doing?

The guy responds: "Never felt better in my life!"

:D

TMM
November 23, 2005, 01:57 PM
haha, you guy's responces crack me up...
Ask him ,if he knew he was going to do either way, would he want to die agonizingly slow painfull death by 2 needles or would he rather just be shot in th head?

i DID ask him this. i don't remember the answer. i think he weaseled his way around it.


Quote:
well, my gun-hating, meat-hating,vegan, PETA fool friend says it's better to let it die slowly.
......My question is...how do you stomach having a friend like that? And I bet that fool is all for assisted suicide.....

other than the aforementioned problems with him, he's a cool kid, and we get along well. as long as he dosn't speak about his bullsh-t ideas, it dosn't make me want to stab him.

~TMM
Tell your "gun-hating, meat-hating,vegan, PETA fool friend" that one is an act of kindness, while the other is an act of cruelty, and ask whether he'd rather be kind, or cruel.

been there, done that. i think he weaseled out of that question/statement too.

jsalcedo
November 23, 2005, 02:30 PM
I'm another gun nut vegetarian.

I have no problem with the humane act of putting an animal out of it's misery.

Hopefully someone would be able to do it for me if the situation arose.

Alas, human life is too important to let it end painlessly.

Jerbear1098
November 23, 2005, 02:40 PM
People Eating Tasty Animals.... sounds like an oxymoron eh? :D

In the words of the famous Ted Nugent... " You can't grill it ... Till you kill it"

My 8 year old loading for this weekends shoot.

gaston_45
November 23, 2005, 03:02 PM
Show your friend this website.
http://oregonstate.edu/dept/ncs/newsarch/2002/Mar02/vegan.htm

In that article about the research done on animals killed in the harvest of vegetarian approved food stuffs you will see two numbers that should stick out. The first showed that the harvest of a field by machinery killed HALF the population of some kind of vole. The other number that is important is the one where they compair a totally vegan diet model to a grazing cattle based diet model. It turns out that 300 million... yes, million more animals would die annually in a totally vegan diet than in a mostly meat eating model.

So you can go tell your friend he is supporting the genocide of the voles along with endangering the health and welfare of over 300 million animals through his careless and self serving diet choices! :evil:

Also you might ask him why putting one animal out of it's missery himself is unacceptable but allowing someone else to murder 300 million to support his choice in diet is A-OK!

I think you will find it is more a lack of maturity and accepting responsibility on his part than any real feelings of caring for the animals. It's all about him and his feelings.

jsalcedo
November 23, 2005, 03:13 PM
So you can go tell your friend he is supporting the genocide of the voles along with endangering the health and welfare of over 300 million animals through his careless and self serving diet choices!



Oh the horror..the humanity...ah whatever they should learn not to play with the harvester. :evil:

Of course I really don't care what other people eat I'm not politically motivated to spread my non-meat lifestyle to unwilling participants.

I do agree that many liberal militant vegetarians are just as fake and ignorant as the ones that try to force gun control down our throats.

Grape Ape
November 23, 2005, 03:37 PM
I think your friend needs to learn the difference between correlation and causation (and between killing and torturing to death).

For instance, I suspect that there is a correlation between having a driver’s license and causing a car crash, but I don’t believe that there is any causation so I will make my daughter get a license when she turns 16 and wants to start driving. Likewise if she should be in a car crash, I will take her to a hospital even though a lot of people die there.

Or you could just ask him why there are no famous veterinarians turned serial killer? They slice animals up and put them down on regular basis so they should be worse than Post Office employees…:evil:

CentralTexas
November 23, 2005, 04:06 PM
"So you can go tell your friend he is supporting the genocide of the voles along with endangering the health and welfare of over 300 million animals through his careless and self serving diet choices!

Also you might ask him why putting one animal out of it's missery himself is unacceptable but allowing someone else to murder 300 million to support his choice in diet is A-OK!

I think you will find it is more a lack of maturity and accepting responsibility on his part than any real feelings of caring for the animals. It's all about him and his feelings."

Says you!
For us folks that choose vegetarianism for our own personal ethics, these kinds of studies are amusing. Again -logic that easily could come from an anti-gun study. Statisically there are more ND's with Glocks, more meat eaters molest children than vegetarians etc. Feel free to drag out these "unbiased" studies and numbers games if it helps though.
It's impossible to go through life without causing any harm, you strive for doing as little as possible anyway (at least I do). Sure there are annoying "militant" veggies just as there are "militant" hunters, so what.
Don't worry, most people won't sacrifice or don't have the discipline it takes to become vegetarians even if they feel it is ethically correct. I live in the most liberal city in Texas and we voted in a no kill animal shelter years ago and still killed over 13,000 unwanted pets last year. It takes too much effort/sacrifice etc.. My point? Your ability to hunt is overall safe through the majority of the US of A.
I also find it amusing how the NRA has found another "enemy" (PETA/Veggies)to whip gun owners into a frenzy and in turn suck more money out of us members to fight them. 90% of my NRA/ILA emails have articles bashing PETA and the NRA magazine seems to get something in every issue also.:neener: :evil: :neener:
CT

Gunpacker
November 23, 2005, 07:29 PM
You should tell your friend that the really ethical thing to do would be to take the animal to the vet. He should be willing to spend everything he has on critical care, even if there is a small chance to save it. They believe that animal = human, so if he believes what he says, then here is his chance to prove it. In fact, he should be willing to put his name on file with the vet willing to pay for any animal, since the govt programs haven't reached animals yet. Put up or shut up.

Sam
November 23, 2005, 07:45 PM
You should explain in exceedingly clear language that he is no "friend" of yours.
Avoid the company of loosers.

Sam

mbs357
November 23, 2005, 08:17 PM
I love animals way too much to become a vegetarian.

CentralTexas
November 23, 2005, 08:49 PM
:neener:
CT

mbs357
November 23, 2005, 09:16 PM
BBQ sauce. =o

Ky Larry
November 23, 2005, 09:35 PM
I work with people who can't believe I'm a hardcore gunnut but I don't hunt. I've been asked if I have fantasies about going on shooting sprees. I've been asked if my wife is terrified of me. I've been asked if I enjoy shooting neighborhood cats and dogs. I've been asked if I've ever commited a violent crime and if I was sent to prison. Bliss-ninnies just don't get it. They've been brainwashed by the "Guns are evil" media.
Yes, I would end the animal's suffering as quickly and humanely as possible. I take no pleasure in ending an animals life, but I would feel terrible letting it suffer.

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