CCW and those security things at store entrances


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marklbucla
November 23, 2005, 12:15 AM
Whenever I've CCWd, I always got an uneasy feeling while walking through those security "detector" things at the entrances of stores. Is there any need to worry about setting one of those off or are all of them set to detect only the magnetic devices? Is there any way that a gun could set one of them off?

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Sylvilagus Aquaticus
November 23, 2005, 12:40 AM
I've never had a problem with them. I'm usually carrying a SIG.

Regards,
Rabbit.

QuarterBoreGunner
November 23, 2005, 12:41 AM
Nope; what you're walking through isn't a metal detector, but a field looking for a specific response from the tags on the merch itself. Don't sweat it.
Besides, even if for some odd reason the machine pings on you, what are they going to do? Pat you down? Not likely.

I'd say your concern is misplaced.

yorec
November 23, 2005, 01:14 AM
Even if they change out those things for metal detectors, what if they do go off? Show your car keys and walk out - they ain't gonna throw you down and strip search ya.

Wonder if my subcutaneous cranial tinfoil buffer would set 'em off?

marklbucla
November 23, 2005, 01:18 AM
I just don't want to unnecesarily deal with the police!

scott.cr
November 23, 2005, 01:21 AM
The way those things work is similar to radar. The hoops emit microwaves. The security tags have a piece of foil inside cut to a specific shape and thickness. When one of them passes through the hoops, the microwaves cause the tag's foil to vibrate and emit radio waves within a certain frequency, which is picked up by an antenna somewhere near the door.

There's probably nothing in a firearm that could cause a false alarm, but I have had these things falsely trip on me more than once. (The first time was when I was carrying an aluminum tennis racket.)

ny32182
November 23, 2005, 01:55 AM
My SIG has never set one off.

I've been carrying plenty of times when walking through them when they do go off though. Seems like DVDs are especially good at setting them off.

Like others have said, all they do is check whats in your bag against whats on the recipt if it does go off. If you had something stolen in your pants, you could probably just walk off with it.... around here at least. If they ever tried to insist on a pat down, I'd be none too pleased, and would insist that a cop be present first. But, I've never seen cause to worry about it... just my .02.

stevelyn
November 23, 2005, 03:03 AM
I've never set one off, but I carry a Glock.:neener:

BTW my BHP hasn't set them off either.:D

Valkman
November 23, 2005, 03:14 AM
There was guy a while back going crazy because he was setting those off, but it turned out he had one of those tags in his holster. :uhoh:

If they did switch to metal detectors it would have a huge impact here - we cannot enter anywhere armed (well with a CCW anyway) if they have metal detectors at every entrance.

SomeKid
November 23, 2005, 07:54 AM
Metal detectors don't scare me, I carry a Glock. And, as Hollywood has taught us, Glocks are made of plastic and can evade airport metal detectors. BUM BUM BUM! :p

Matthew748
November 23, 2005, 07:59 AM
I have never set one off while carrying my Glock 19. I would not worry about seeing metal detectors at big stores either. It would cause too much of a hassle for the employees. I carry lots of innocent metal objects on me. On any given day I usually have a pocketful of change, a big hoop of keys, steel-toed boots, and a pocket knife on my person.

Bane
November 23, 2005, 08:16 AM
Like everyone else said the detectors are looking for the tags on merchandise. Also, I spent several years working retail for various big box companies and I can tell you that they will never pat you down for setting off an alarm. An employee will ask to see your receipt and look in your bag to make sure everything got paid for. Then they will let you go. If they want you to stay and talk to someone else just say you don't have time and walk out. All big box stores have a very similar policy that says employees are not allowed to stop anyone from leaving the store. So even when people are stealing things they are not allowed to stop them for fear of getting sued. I remember several occasions when people blatantly stole things buy just running out carrying merchandise. On one occasion my manager and I both stood at the door asking the person to stop and show us their receipt. They had a driver waiting outside to pick them up and we just had to stand and watch as they jumped in and speed away. What really made me upset was that my manager refused to call the police (merchandise was less the $300) even though I got a good look at both people and the license plate of the car used. If you’re honest you have no need to worry.

ceetee
November 23, 2005, 09:10 AM
Just make sure all of your small, expensive and/or in high demand items (like CD's, and small electronics) get passed over the magnet that de-activates the RFID tags at the checkout.

Zach S
November 23, 2005, 09:18 AM
I used to have a watch that set them off. Took a while to figure out. That was long before my CC days.

Never had my pistol set one off.

One pain is going to the courthouse for anything. I work in sheetmetal, and I spend a lot of time grinding, so the thighs on my jeans catch a lot of dust. Dust that doesnt wash out, and when it does, it washes right into the rest of my clothes. I set the metal detectors off every time. And every time I hear that thing start beeping, I start sweating...

tuna
November 23, 2005, 09:44 AM
If you can get one of those tinfoil thingies, and it doesn't get deactivated you can have fun with them by placing them hidden in someone's clothing; zippered hood, deep pocket, lining of coat, etc. Then the person will set them off when they go in and out of libraries, stores, rental places, etc.

Not that I've ever done that, I've just heard that it works. A past co-worker who was jerk told me that he had one in his hood that drove him nuts for months. I have no idea how that got there.......:neener: :neener:

kfranz
November 23, 2005, 10:28 AM
I've retrained myself and no longer even stop when they go off.

JamisJockey
November 23, 2005, 10:35 AM
Whenever I've CCWd, I always got an uneasy feeling while walking through those security "detector" things at the entrances of stores. Is there any need to worry about setting one of those off or are all of them set to detect only the magnetic devices? Is there any way that a gun could set one of them off?

No. Those are made to detect theft tags being removed from the store.
They are not metal detectors.

mwithers72
November 23, 2005, 10:39 AM
I started to set them off last year. I had no idea how I was setting them off. One guy told me to take off my shoes and I told him he was nuts and that I was not going to take off my shoes, it was smuumer time and I had nothing with me so I left. Well after setting of the darn alarms off at several places and being told to remove my shoes I finaily did and the lady passed my shoes over the scanner and BEEP...BUZZZZ. she handed them back to me and I have never set off another alarm. I have come to find out that the dress shoes in question had a security tag inside the sole of the shoe and it had some how been re-activated :banghead: I had to go back to the guy I called nuts and tell him that I was sorry :o :o

foghornl
November 23, 2005, 10:43 AM
I set them off at Wally-World/K-Mart/Marcs, and couldn't figure out why. I wasn't "packing" then. ? ? ? ? ?

Thought maybe it was my car lock remote..no go

Finally found one of those blasted foil loops inside my wallet, tucked in one of the rarely-used card holder slots.

Gunpacker
November 23, 2005, 11:29 AM
Doesn't matter. You will inevitably have a false alarm anyway. I have had several. Tags not deactivated.
However the guys are right, the microwaves set off a return signal from a metal strip in the tag, made from special metal, and of a specific size to produce the signal. I used to work for a company that made them. Guns won't do it. Think of all the metal objects that go out of stores, and you can see that it would be an unworkable situation if all metal set the tag off.
Carry on, don't worry about your gun, unless it is prohibited in the area you are in for legitimate reasons.

Darkside852003
November 23, 2005, 11:37 AM
I worked asset protection at a few retailers.

The scanners look for a certain magnetic signature, that are on the gator and soft tags.

You don't have to worry about your pistols setting them off. But you do have to worry about your shoes. Most manufactures put a security tag in the shoes.

One of Many
November 23, 2005, 01:41 PM
RFID tags contain small microchips, that are attached to microwave antennas (the foil loops or strips). The microchips are transceivers with a small CPU. The RFID tag picks up energy (they do not have internal batteies), from the RF field emitted by the detection device, and transmits a coded data stream to the detection device. The Tag is deactivated by receiving a command to quit transmitting the coded data stream. It might be possible to destroy the RFID tag by placing it in a microwave oven (I have not tried this).

f4t9r
November 23, 2005, 08:04 PM
Dont worry about it a gun will not set them off
unless you are stealing something , Then it could be a problem

jamz
November 23, 2005, 10:22 PM
I've retrained myself and no longer even stop when they go off.

Me too. I don't steal, they can chase me if they want to. They never do.

Just a few days ago I found a tag in a suit jacket I had been wearing a lot that was setting them off.

-James

wolf_from_wv
November 24, 2005, 12:18 AM
All big box stores have a very similar policy that says employees are not allowed to stop anyone from leaving the store. So even when people are stealing things they are not allowed to stop them for fear of getting sued. I remember several occasions when people blatantly stole things buy just running out carrying merchandise. .

A guy tried running off with something from the Walmart here... He got chased all the way across the Walmart parking lot, I guess through the Burger King lot, where they lost him down over the hill.

yesterdaysyouth
November 24, 2005, 12:25 AM
was i the only one that was thinking about the local door greeter tackling some burly redneck guy just then?:p

ny32182
November 24, 2005, 01:08 AM
Remember the case where they killed the guy in the Walmart parking lot? I don't think those guys got the memo about not chasing someone out of the store.

IF I set the thing off, I don't mind letting them look over my receipt. That is what the security system is there for. If they want a pat down, that moves into LE territory as far as I'm concerned. I'm not sure what kind of statement is trying to be made by refusing to stop if they ask you too when their security has been set off. If I managed a Walmart/etc, the LP people would have photos of people who do that.

armedandsafe
November 24, 2005, 02:15 PM
I set them off going in and coming out. We finally figured out that it was the shrapnel in my leg. The company which maintains them adjusted all the sensors in town, just for me. :D The tech actually called me and asked if I could come into the local hardware store or WallyWorld and meet him, to help him calibrate his machines. That was neat, as he bought me lunch.

Pops

Lupinus
November 24, 2005, 02:33 PM
only thing that ever set them off on me were things I bought that wern't properly deactivated. Not old enough to ccw but carried things in an out of stores plenty lol. The biggist problem I ever had was a pair of workboots that aparently had it implanted in the bottom of the boots and it wasnt deactivated. Everytime I walked through I was dinged.

wolf_from_wv
November 25, 2005, 12:27 AM
I guess these security guys were in the back...

The police substation is located in the "food" entrance... If they're not in there, they are probably writing tickets for people parked in the fire lane...

Nematocyst
November 25, 2005, 01:02 AM
I've never set one off, but I carry a Glock.:neener:

Metal detectors don't scare me, I carry a Glock. And, as Hollywood has taught us, Glocks are made of plastic and can evade airport metal detectors. BUM BUM BUM! :p

Are your Glocks loaded with plastic bullets?

:rolleyes:

det.pat
November 25, 2005, 01:09 AM
whenever i set off the sensormatic at wally world i always tell the greeter, "don't worry, it's just my sidearm". they always believe it and then scurry away from me at high speed. except some of the old guys, they sometimes get cold eyed, or ask what i'm carrying. or start a conversation about guns or hunting. i now always shake the hand of one of the cold eyed vets, my kinda guy.
pat

psyopspec
November 25, 2005, 01:32 AM
I continue walking if I set them off. I have better things to do with my time.

smince
November 25, 2005, 07:18 AM
When the local stores first installed them my wife worried about setting them off with her CCW. I expalined to her how they worked. Then I reminded her that even without her pistol, she still had about two pounds of keys and other assorted metal in her purse.:D

I bought a pair of steel-toe boots for work at K-mart, and they de-activated the tag there. Then two days later, I set off the buzzer going INTO Wal-mart. It was the same pair of boots, only I was wearing them this time. Greeter had a fun time figuring out how a pair of slightly used boots kept setting the alarm off.

campergeek
November 26, 2005, 12:08 AM
One evening a couple of weeks ago my wife and I were in a large toy retailer and I had my Kel-Tec P11 in a Smartcarry holster. The store had a "no firearms" sign posted, but I made the rare (for me) decision to enter the store anyway - for the sake of my kids' Christmas shopping. As we walked into the electronics section to ask about Gamecube systems, the sensor started beeping immediately as I passed. My wife gave me a quick "is this a problem?" glance and I just kept walking as I commented to her "probably because of my pager". After we had gotten to the counter I heard the sensor go off again and looked over to notice the guy unpacking boxes of merchandise right next to the sensor - which went off every time he got too close with an item.

I couldn't figure out how a firearm would trip the sensor (my made-up comment about my pager made more sense to me), but I felt a bit of relief when I saw the true cause.

Disclaimer: I don't advocate violating any laws or retailer's wishes. Respect your mother, etc.

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