Unintended Consequences


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HABU
April 3, 2003, 01:08 AM
Last night I finished Unintended Consequences. took about a week and a half. I couldn't put it down! Anyone wanting a good read should pick it up. It's a novel in fiction form, but there is a lot of good non fiction on firearms legal history. It definately made me go :what: :cuss: :fire: :banghead:, in no particuloar order.

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Jim March
April 3, 2003, 01:57 AM
Good book.

Now you need to read something else to go with it: "Cryptonomicon" by Neal Stephenson does for the 1st Amendment and cryptography (classed as a weapon by the FedGov) what John Ross did for the 2nd and guns (another weapon). Neal is also the better and FAR funnier writer.

Devonai
April 3, 2003, 02:18 AM
Cryptonomicon was good, but I enjoyed Snowcrash much more.

How is race approached in Unintended Consequences? I remember being encouraged to read The Turner Diaries by someone who obviously didn't know I was jewish, and I later found out what that hateful piece of :cuss: is really about.

Wildalaska
April 3, 2003, 03:29 AM
Now you need to read something else to go with it: "Cryptonomicon" by Neal Stephenson does for the 1st Amendment and cryptography (classed as a weapon by the FedGov) what John Ross did for the 2nd and guns (another weapon). Neal is also the better and FAR funnier writer.

Loved it! First decent American novel since the all time no1...Gravity's Rainbow!

The Turner Diaries...crap rascist pap for neofascist pinheads....

WildahyesliteratureAlaska

Don Gwinn
April 3, 2003, 08:42 AM
Unintended Consequences has as a main supporting character a Jewish man who survived the Warsaw Ghetto uprising. It also deals with some of the racist motivations behind many carry laws. There's a great scene where Henry Bowman's father is told by his gun dealer in Missouri that it's illegal to carry there--but that "YOU won't have any problem, Mr. Bowman." Same for the pistol permits they require in MO--"YOU won't have a problem with those, Mr. Bowman--you could probably get the Presidents of five or six area corporations to sign letters on your behalf."
"That's fine, but what about the people who aren't connected?"

Ol' Badger
April 3, 2003, 08:46 AM
Took me a month to finish. But then I went to Publik skool thou. The Pig info was good thou. I've been getting ride of stray cats and hiding the kitty corps with my neighbors Hogs :D

cordex
April 3, 2003, 09:22 AM
Good book.
So are the Neal Stephenson fare that has been mentioned: Cryptonomicon, Snow Crash, Diamond Age, Zodiac. All good stuff. One of the best authors of today, in my not so humble opinion.

mpthole
April 3, 2003, 10:07 AM
UC is great. Loved Snow Crash too! Had a hard time with Cryptonomicon though... only got about 1/3 through it and put it down. Guess I'll have to start that one up again.

ModIMark0
April 3, 2003, 04:24 PM
Ahh yes. Cryptonomicon. Love the small aside on the virtues of water cooled belt fed MGs (specifically the Vickers) when used by large OSS operators on Nazi roadblocks. Or the advantage of simplicity in operation of Soviet light artillery (mortars) when employed against small groups of intruding Gestapo.

Oleg Volk
April 3, 2003, 05:25 PM
Or on having female accomplices able and willing to operate serious hardware

Chris Rhines
April 3, 2003, 06:05 PM
What a co-inky-dink...I'm rereading Snow Crash for about the fiftieth time even as we speak. Outstanding book, Stephenson's writing leaves most other "contemporary lit" writers in the dust. Cryptonomicon was different, but equally good.

On the subject of pro-freedom pop-lit, check out F. Paul Wilson's Repairman Jack series. Good stuff, written to entertain.

- Chris

HABU
April 3, 2003, 07:56 PM
A friend recomended "Patriots" by James Wesley, Rawles as a good read.

Anyone read it yet?

Ian
April 3, 2003, 07:58 PM
I have a copy of Triple Ought, which was an early draft of Patriots. I liked it - it may not be based on a particularly likely scenario, but it is both entertaining and informative.

mdsteele
April 3, 2003, 08:21 PM
I've read it six times. I loaned it out and the guy is taking his time reading it. I want it back.:banghead:
Darned good book

atek3
April 3, 2003, 10:54 PM
Unintended Consequences, great book. Read it in 24 hours.
Patriots, Another great one. Strangely the author likes HK91's over any other battle rifle. Not racist, in fact one scene was anti-racist.
Cryptonomicon, another great one, turned me into a cypherpunk for about 6 months.
Kings of the High Frontier, It's a modern classic like atlas shrugged. Claire Wolfe recommends it, I do too.
The Probability Broach, L. Neil Smith, very entertaining book.
Boston's Gun Bible, BTP, Really great.
Atlas Shrugged, life changingly great book, even if you aren't a randroid.

Those are my "desert island books", along with anything by Claire Wolfe.


atek3

TheLastBoyScout
April 3, 2003, 10:54 PM
Read Triple Ought. Liked it, but I didn't think the actual story was fleshed out enough. It was more like a survivalist how to in novel clothing.

atek3
April 3, 2003, 10:59 PM
Patriots was better. Read it and sell triple ought on half.com

ahadams
April 3, 2003, 11:10 PM
While the political and legal commentary in UC were sometimes entertaining I found it largely unrealistic - to me it read like one of those novels in the old "Destroyer" paperback series, where everything always works out exactly right for the good guys and exactly wrong for the bad guys. Interesting fiction, but nothing to write home about.

Triple ought was a little better as long as Rawles stayed away from attempting to explain modern military weaponry...somebody needs to buy him a recent copy of JANES WEAPONS SYSTEMS. I haven't bought Patriots simply because I refuse to give money to or otherwise encourage the wackos who think they're proving something by putting commas in their name. They aren't.

12.7x99mm
April 4, 2003, 01:00 AM
Habu

"Patriots"

I just finished that last night. If your talking about the pre y2k book. It’s a good book. Its kinda startling in the respect of what really might happen with a real (as people say here) SHTF scenario. It makes you think a bit more on things

Some things are goofy in it but its good entertainment. Not as good as UC but in the same pall park I guess.

Another I just finished is “The Last Jihad" also "The hunt for Bin Laden"

The last one I mentioned is a must read by everyone. Every American should read about what our guys did to the people that killed 3000+ of our friends and family and wasted the New York skyline.

Amazing people

Jim March
April 4, 2003, 04:09 AM
All of Neal's stuff is well written and entertaining, but in my opinion Crypto is something special because it's *important* - it can show non-techies why privately owned crypto is important, and why the FedGov is dead set against it.

And it's not about terrorism, it's really about private wire transfers.

Look, if you get money wired in to your US bank account from overseas, it'll go through the Federal Reserve so that the taxes can be figured out. Your bank, even a big one like Wells Fargo or whatever, doesn't have direct international wire transfer ability.

Fine. But with public key encryption, you've got all the "nuts and bolts" needed to do wire transfer right from your PC to anywhere in the world.

Enough people do that, and the tax base is just TOAST :D. The whole idea of big socialistic government becomes technologically obsolete.

CatsDieNow
April 4, 2003, 09:00 AM
Justin loaned me his book when I ran out of other stuff to read. I thought that Unintended Consequences was over-rated. Since I am not such a big gun nut as Justin or Chris Rhines, I had to look up what each weapon actually was in a gun encyclopedia every couple of pages. That got very old, very fast. About 500 pages too long as well. :(

Don't even get me started on the homosexual rape-gang which is used as a plot device to meet the pretty lesbian and allow the main character to get into a group encounter with her and her girlfriend. :rolleyes:

I'll check out some of the other book suggestions made here. Although, I try not to walk into Half-Price Books with money in my pocket. I get greeted like Norm there. :D

Kaylee
April 4, 2003, 12:59 PM
Patriots was interesting I think, but once it got into the whole "militia war against the UN" it went way over the top in my opinion. I think I recall reading an interview from Rawles that explained the HK91 thing.. when he wrote the book, *that* was the cheap import rifle of choice. Kinda like SARs or low end FALS are now, I guess. I don't think it was a technical preference as much as it was a reflection that that's what was "in" with the survivalist folks at the time.

Both that and UC seem to me... well.. Ghost Dance stories.
The good guys win, and everyone lives without the Federal Boogeyman happily ever after, 'cause the lefties are all gone.

-K

tommytrauma
April 4, 2003, 01:25 PM
How is race approached in Unintended Consequences? I remember being encouraged to read The Turner Diaries by someone who obviously didn't know I was jewish, and I later found out what that hateful piece of is really about.

Some of the aspects of racism and gun control are addressed in UC, in a fairly factual and straight forward way. It is not a racist tract at all, and a couple of chapters are a good look at gun control and the holocost. Give it a read.

I read almost a full chapter of the Turner Trash. At it's best, that book can be described as scratchy and not very absorbent. That's the kind of garbage that forces me to remind myself that I support the first amendment.

atek3
April 4, 2003, 09:48 PM
The good guys win, and everyone lives without the Federal Boogeyman happily ever after, 'cause the lefties are all gone.

We can dream can't we :)

general
April 4, 2003, 10:46 PM
Just finished U.C. - loved it - was borrowed from a real friend. Just bought 2 copies - 1 for me and 1 for the local library.:D

Marko Kloos
April 4, 2003, 10:54 PM
UC is emotionally satisfying, but a bit ham-fisted at times.

beckrodgers
April 5, 2003, 11:41 AM
Read it 3 yrs past then read Send in the Waco Killers man I never dreamed there was someone to agree with Ala Send in The Waco Killers , esp the part on public schools . Thanks

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