Mall Rampage Victim Drew Gun Before Being Shot


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jsalcedo
November 23, 2005, 03:44 PM
http://www.wjactv.com/news/5388711/detail.html

Mall Rampage Victim Drew Gun Before Being Shot

POSTED: 6:51 am EST November 23, 2005

TACOMA, Wash. -- Parents of the man most seriously wounded in a shooting rampage at a shopping mall said Tuesday that he drew a pistol and confronted the gunman before being shot.

Brendan "Dan" McKown, 38, was hit twice in the abdomen on Sunday, when a gunman opened fire on crowds in the Tacoma Mall.

Doctors at Tacoma General Hospital believe McKown may have suffered permanent paralysis because of spinal damage, hospital spokesman Todd Kelley said.

Tacoma police spokesman Mark Fulghum said detectives don't know if McKown simply brandished his handgun to show the gunman he was armed, or if he was preparing to fire the weapon. Witnesses told the family McKown was shot after he pulled the gun.

Roger McKown, 63, of Yelm, called his son a hero and said he has been licensed to carry a firearm for years.

"Dan has been one that always believes in protecting other people, and he put his life on the line for other people," he said at a hospital news conference.

The younger McKown has undergone two surgeries and remains on a respirator, the hospital said. He also suffered a superficial gunshot wound to the right elbow.

Dominick Sergio Maldonado, 20, of Tacoma, pleaded not guilty on Monday to assault, kidnapping and firearms charges for Sunday's shooting. He was held by Pierce County authorities on $2 million bail.

Authorities said Maldonado marched down a mall corridor, firing from an assault rifle and semiautomatic machine pistol before ducking into a store and taking several hostages.

Police said they received a call from Maldonado's cell phone seconds earlier. The caller told a dispatcher that he planned to start shooting, and said to find him, police should "just follow the screams."

Fulghum said the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives was helping detectives trace the history of Maldonado's weapons.

McKown's father and stepmother, Beverly McKown, said Brendan encountered the shooter while delivering a bank deposit from the gift store where he works as assistant manager.

"He heard the shooting, and before he could ever take a defensive mode or anything, it was right there," Roger McKown said.

After Brendan McKown was shot, workers from a nearby camera store attended to his wounds as he lay awaiting medical attention for more than an hour, his father said.

Doctors will now try to bring McKown out of an induced coma, and may attempt to remove a ventilator Wednesday, the hospital said. McKown's mother, Patricia Marush, remained in her son's hospital room during Tuesday's news conference.

Five other people have been released after being treated for wounds suffered in the shooting, which broke out about noon Sunday.

Three hostages in a mall music store spent hours talking with the gunman, who described to them a life of frustration and humiliation.

One of the hostages, Joe Hudson, told The Seattle Times that Maldonado spoke of suicide attempts and said he had taken methamphetamine before he started shooting.

Fulghum confirmed that Maldonado demanded to see three police officers from other cities during the hostage negotiations, claiming the officers had humiliated him during a youth summer camp years earlier.

The hostages said Maldonado eventually broke into tears, dismantling his weapons and handing them over to the hostages.

Prosecutors said Maldonado was a felon and had a substantial juvenile record, including burglary.

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KriegHund
November 23, 2005, 03:48 PM
Its a shame he wasnt able to shoot down the criminal. :(

Henry Bowman
November 23, 2005, 04:06 PM
Too bad it didn't turn out like this other Tacoma incident: http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=158748&highlight=tacoma+auto+parts

There, Karl Phillips, the shooter's brother quoted in the article, told me that he [shooter] had fired 9 rounds to slide lock (.45 1911), droped behind cover, reloaded a full mag, and then checked the status of the situation. All shots were COM, but the BG lived. At least one round overpenetrated and broke a window behind the target.

In the mall . . . well, not so good.

Chipperman
November 23, 2005, 04:19 PM
"Maldonado marched down a mall corridor, firing from an assault rifle and semiautomatic machine pistol "

Where do I get me one of those?

I hope McKown recovers ok. Too bad he didn't plug the guy.

michakav
November 23, 2005, 04:23 PM
Can someone explain to me what a "semi-automatic machine pistol" is? Would the media have tried to make a brick sound this evil if thats what was used?

jeanfor
November 23, 2005, 04:25 PM
Its a shame he wasnt able to shoot down the criminal. :(

Yes.... But he might have been in an extremely bad position and had very little chance.... But he probably tried. It shows that probably with more people armed this tragedy could have been stopped earlier. This is why CCW is so important.

Old Dog
November 23, 2005, 04:31 PM
We've been covering this situation in this thread:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=166915

Cacique500
November 23, 2005, 04:33 PM
Hope he makes it ok and too bad he couldn't get the drop on the guy.

assault rifle and semiautomatic machine pistol :rolleyes: :cuss:

mete
November 23, 2005, 05:39 PM
This is a good example to emphasize that CCW is not enough - get the best training you can find. In a situation like that every advantage is important. I wonder if McKown had any training.

Sam
November 23, 2005, 07:52 PM
If he was trained I wish it had been more effective. Bad thing that he was shot and I certainly hope he recovers.

He has at least the satisfaction of having tried.
More than most of the miserable excuses for a man that walk the streets.

Sam

Biker
November 23, 2005, 08:01 PM
I don't know the circumstances-wasn't there, but at least the Man was up and standing when many would'nt have been.
Best o' luck to him...
Biker

Veritas
November 23, 2005, 08:21 PM
Donations at any Bank of America under "Dan McKown medical fund"

Dan McKown is a victim of the Tacoma shooting, he is the most seriously injured victim and will likely be paralyzed.

He had a CCW and confronted the shooter, trying to help others who were being shot.

This guy sure needs some financial help, he has a long road to recovery -- and a hard transition to make as he adapts to being disabled.

I'd urge folks to consider dropping $5 or $10 or $20 in the fund for Dan.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002641156_mallshooting23m.html

http://komo4.com/stories/40392.htm

Donations at any Bank of America under "Dan McKown medical fund"

I recieved the donation instruction from a Komo news 4 broadcast, I have not seen the instruction in a printed article yet.

Hacker15E
November 24, 2005, 05:56 AM
he [shooter] had fired 9 rounds to slide lock (.45 1911), droped behind cover, reloaded a full mag, and then checked the status of the situation. All shots were COM, but the BG lived. At least one round overpenetrated and broke a window behind the target.

9 shots of 45 ACP hit the target's center of mass, and the target lived?

Marko Kloos
November 24, 2005, 06:44 AM
There, Karl Phillips, the shooter's brother quoted in the article, told me that he [shooter] had fired 9 rounds to slide lock (.45 1911), droped behind cover, reloaded a full mag, and then checked the status of the situation. All shots were COM, but the BG lived. At least one round overpenetrated and broke a window behind the target.

I'll be sure and save this snippet for the next ".45 will drop 'em for sure" thread that comes along. No handgun round is a 100% stopper, not even the .45ACP.

thereisnospoon
November 24, 2005, 08:12 AM
As soon as I saw this news story yesterday, I had about a thousand questions, mostly about "wonder what this scenario was?" and "why didn't he seek cover?" and "why didn't he get a shot off?".

Thne reality kicked in and i realized it was not an IDPA or three gun match and it was real.

The facts are, if nothing else, this guy drew fire from the BG that was meant for someone else, so he saved someone else from being shot.

The term "Hero" has been bandied about since 9/11 like a cheerleader on Prom night, but I think it REALLY applies here. NOT just because the guy had a CCW and was carrying, but because when the time came he stuck it out there on the line.

My prayers and a donation will be headed his way...

Ironbarr
November 24, 2005, 12:33 PM
"Maldonado marched down a mall corridor, firing from an assault rifle and semiautomatic machine pistol "

Where do I get me one of those?

I hope McKown recovers ok. Too bad he didn't plug the guy.http:/olyarms.com for one.

1911Tuner
November 24, 2005, 12:58 PM
Have to wonder if McCown issued a verbal command. "Freeze!" or "Drop your weapon!" In this type of situation, it wouldn't seem necessary or prudent. Just draw, aim, fire...and let the police sort out the details.

Similar situation in the case of the guy who was operating a jewlery store...can't remember the minor details...carrying openly. The BG saw the gun when he cased the place the previous day...walked in and shot him straight away. The gun made him the primary target.
Best to keep it outta sight until it's time to use it.

Like a line I heard in a movie.

"If you have to shoot...Don't talk. Shoot!"

benEzra
November 25, 2005, 12:54 PM
According to Farnam, his pistol jammed after the first shot. Reportedly a (badly maintained) CZ.

Biker
November 25, 2005, 02:03 PM
I guess that this fact further reinforces the fact that your first shot is the most important one.
Biker

SigPacker
November 25, 2005, 02:15 PM
I posted this in another thread...

There will be a comedy benefit for Brendan McKown on Monday... for those who do not know the story read
here. (http://www.hendersonvillenews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051122/APA/511221138)

He just came out of a coma but will more than likely be paralyzed from the waist down.

Where: Area 151 in Tacoma
When: Monday, November 28th 8pm & 10pm

Donations can also be made at any Bank of America to the Brendan McKown Fund.

I dont know the guy but am going to be there!

Pass this on to any other gun boards!!

SP

sturmruger
December 1, 2005, 12:28 AM
I guess this answers the preverbial "what to I do when someone starts shooting up the mall" question, or what not to do!


The answer is SHOOT first!. It sounds to me like he gave up the only advantage he had which was suprise!! A handgun against a rifle is a loosing proposition every time. If he would have taken the shot in the back before the guy could start shooting this whole thing might have been differant.

1911Tuner
December 1, 2005, 06:07 AM
According to Farnam, his pistol jammed after the first shot. Reportedly a (badly maintained) CZ.


Yep...and also agree with Marko. Several simple things come to mind that could have been done differently that WOULD have likely given this a different outcome.

Weapon maintenence. It's a machine that requires reasonable care, just like any other. Check it for function at least once a week. I've always been in the habit of doing a field test for extractor tension 3-4 times a week. Field-strip wipe/blow the lint off, and add a drop of oil here and there.

Practice regularly. Carrying a gun doesn't mean that you're armed any more than carrying a guitar around means that you're a guitarist. Any practice is better than none.

Get past any notion that you may have of a fair fight. Do all that you can to see that it ISN'T fair. In this particular situation, shooting the guy in the back without warning would have been justified. The fact that he walked into a public arena and opened up with a rifle negated his right to a break, as far as I'm concerned. That he may have come from a broken home or his self-esteem is low and he's screaming for attention is a distant second concern to the immediate problem. Stop him!

Don't even allow yourself to think that your 85 caliber Super Blaster and Thunderbolt ++++Pee ammo will immediately turn him to a quivering lump of jelly. Hit him over and over until he goes down and keep the gun on him until you're sure that he can't shoot again.

When the cops get there, expect to be arrested and questioned, and expect them to be nervous and twitchy. They just walked into a killing field and they don't want to get shot any more than you do.

Henry Bowman
December 1, 2005, 09:46 AM
Farnam is wrong. The good guy's gun did not jam. He drew, but then reholstered before verbally confronting the shooter. Really bad mistake. An interview with the victim from the Tacoma News Tribune can be found here: http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/local/story/5363616p-4853200c.html

I hope I would have followed my training, which would be to verbally shout "STOP! DROP THE WEAPON!" only as I had my sights aligned on target, safety off, and trigger finger ready to move into position. Although shooting him in the back would have been justified and legal under Washington law (yes, I am a Washington attorney), following this proceedure would have allowed him to give up if so inclined but would have allowed one or more shots to be placed on target as soon as the shooter showed an intent to harm (moving to point rifle toward good guy).

Henry Bowman
December 1, 2005, 09:57 AM
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1911Tuner
December 1, 2005, 10:29 AM
Henry Bowman said:

>Farnam is wrong. The good guy's gun did not jam. He drew, but then reholstered before verbally confronting the shooter. Really bad mistake.<
********************

I'll say it was. Brave guy that he is, he made a very critical mistake. Revert back to my original observation:

"If you have to shoot...don't talk. Shoot!" (And never take your eyes...or your gun...off the subject until he's been rendered unable to kill, however that conclusion is reached.)

Of course, "Maintain it...Practice with it...Function-test it" still applies.

kage genin
December 1, 2005, 01:41 PM
I was thinking that perhaps McKown didn't get a shot off because of bystanders in the way or behind Maldonado. Just speculation, wasn't there, didn't see it happen.

Maldonado deserves the death penalty for what he did... or at the very least life in a Federal slam-me-in-the-a?? prison, but he'll more likely get off easy on an insanity plea. :cuss: :fire:

Johnny_Yuma
December 2, 2005, 03:06 AM
"If you have to shoot...don't talk. Shoot!" (And never take your eyes...or your gun...off the subject until he's been rendered unable to kill, however that conclusion is reached.)

Of course, "Maintain it...Practice with it...Function-test it" still applies.

"When you have to shoot, shoot! Don't TALK!" - Tuco Benedito Pacifico Juan Maria Ramirez, played by Eli Wallach in The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly. Sage advice, always. My agency now teaches that if an agent is in a situation wherein he would be justified in using deadly force he does not have to annouce his identity or give commands. In other words, if the bad guy is about to put a few rounds in you, you don't have to go through the entire "Police! Don't Move!" bit. Most people are so "trained" by movies and TV that this idea gives them the willies. Horsefeathers! For those of this opinion I note that our warriors in the armed forces rarely give such silly warnings before firing. Try giving a verbal warning before you launch a TOW from 3,000 yards.

Regretably, the defender's sense of honor got in the way of sound tactics in this instance. Let's hope the doctors are all wrong on their prognosis of paralysis.

Shooters need to lose their compunction about shooting without warning, back-shooting, etc. when the situation warrants it. I see this same behavior all the time in force-on-force training with law enforcement professionals. When you have to shoot, SHOOT!

Johnny

1911 guy
December 2, 2005, 08:57 AM
Things may not have turned out well for Mr. McKown, but I have to hand it to him for being willing to stick it out and try. As a previous poster said, too many now would walk away and do nothing to help others. This man tried to help.

Manedwolf
December 2, 2005, 09:03 AM
Can someone explain to me what a "semi-automatic machine pistol" is? Would the media have tried to make a brick sound this evil if thats what was used?

To the scaremonger media with inaccuracies okay? Probably just an old TEC-9 or something. Which isn't even a machine pistol, just a crappily made 9mm that looks sortakinda like a machine pistol. (barrel shroud and all) I just say that because the S. Florida media ALWAYS used to call those "machine pistols".

1911Tuner
December 2, 2005, 03:22 PM
Was a rebel...he roamed ...through the west.

That's the movie! Thanks Johnny.

Greensboro...Hmmm. That would put you about 35 miles north of me.
If you're ever in the area, stop by and set a spell.:cool:
About 3 miles from the I-85/Old US-64 exit.

Bartholomew Roberts
December 2, 2005, 04:34 PM
I notice that the article explaining why Mr. McKown didn't shoot mentions that there was another CHL holder at the mall who drew but did not fire on the attacker.

1911Tuner
December 2, 2005, 05:26 PM
I notice that the article explaining why Mr. McKown didn't shoot mentions that there was another CHL holder at the mall who drew but did not fire on the attacker.


"On the plains of hesitation, lie the blackened bones of millions..."

It would seem that another movie quote would apply: (I've got this one Johnny);)

"It's not always being fast or even accurate that counts. It's being willing.
"Most men, regardless of need or purpose, aren't willing. They'll draw a breath or blink an eye before they pull the trigger. I won't."

J.B. Books as portrayed by John Wayne "The Shootist"

ingram
December 2, 2005, 05:37 PM
Man, this really opens your eyes as to the importance of decisive action. You have to be quick and sure, or else you may end up in a coma :( . I will be donating to his health the next time I am in a Bank of America.

1911Tuner
December 3, 2005, 07:32 AM
Man, this really opens your eyes as to the importance of decisive action. You have to be quick and sure, or else you may end up in a coma :( . I will be donating to his health the next time I am in a Bank of America.


Yep. Once you've entered the kill zone, you're committed. Either shoot, or likely get shot. Known as "The Line of Departure" which, after you cross it, you're in it, and there's no turning back. If a man isn't sure of his resolve, it's best to stay out of it.

jsalcedo
December 3, 2005, 08:12 AM
I submit that CCW holders have been conditioned to hesitate, think and weigh the situation due to a fear of prosecution.

Taking all of these worries into consideration eliminates any advantage the CCW holder might have.

1911Tuner
December 3, 2005, 01:13 PM
I submit that CCW holders have been conditioned to hesitate, think and weigh the situation due to a fear of prosecution.

Taking all of these worries into consideration eliminates any advantage the CCW holder might have.

Very good point and one well worth considering when the decision is made to go armed. It would pay us all to give serious ongoing thought to what we can and can't do well before we're thrust into a situation, because once we're in it, there usually isn't a lot of time to decide what to do. 5 seconds worth of contemplation can be 4 seconds too much.

We condition ourselves by visualizing well in advance, and act on a predetermined signal. If we see a gun turning toward the crowd, we fire. If we see the perpetrator within seconds of slitting a child's throat, we fire...etc. The absence of "The Signal" causes us to hold our fire, though we probably need to stay at the ready in case the signal suddenly manifests.

The time to think about it is now...not when it's in front of us.

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