Swedish Teens Design anti-rape belt


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TIZReporter
November 23, 2005, 08:06 PM
When the country doesn't allow women to protect themselves....

There is no answer to a question of how an angry rapist might stab, or beat a woman using this device. There is also no explanation as to how this might be for a woman needing a washroom break.

Why women would need to suffer when arming women would make rape victims really think twice.

TIZ

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A group of Swedish teenage girls has designed a belt that requires two hands to remove and which they hope will deter would-be rapists, one of the creators told said.

"It's like a reverse chastity belt," said one of the creators, 19-year-old Nadja Bjoerk, meaning that the wearer is in control, instead of being controled.

The military-style buckle has a latch that the wearer has to move through a labyrinth into the correct position in order to unlock the belt.

"You need two hands to open it, so the rapist can't hold you down and open it at the same time. It takes a while to figure it out if you don't know what you're doing," she said.

The product was designed as part of a high school project in entrepreneurialism and the girls have already sold 300 of the belts in Sweden, priced at 150 kronor ($26).

Ms Bjoerk and one of her partners now plan to start a business to mass produce the belts and are currently in negotiations with potential partners.

"But I'm not doing this for the money," she said. "I'm really passionate about stopping rape. I think it's terrible."

The Swedish media have in recent months given wide and descriptive coverage to rape attacks, though experts' opinions vary on whether there has been an actual rise in the number of such crimes.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,17339154-13762,00.html

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joab
November 23, 2005, 08:10 PM
I like the South African belt more

MDG1976
November 23, 2005, 08:37 PM
So now your attacker will have to kill you before you're raped.

Biker
November 23, 2005, 08:39 PM
I like the South African belt more
I googled a bit and came up with nothing....?
Biker

R.H. Lee
November 23, 2005, 08:42 PM
a belt that requires two hands to remove and which they hope will deter would-be rapists, one of the creators told said.
Why use two hands? Just cut it off with a sharp knife.

Biker: Here ya go....
http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/controversy-in-south-africa-over-device-to-snare-rapists/2005/09/01/1125302683893.html

m0ntels
November 23, 2005, 08:52 PM
I like the South African belt more

+1, and to those who havent seen it...

http://www.rapestop.net/

How did you get the idea?

From the rape-victim who first said “If only I had teeth down there”, and some time later a young man was admitted to hospital for getting his penis caught in his trouser zip and was in excruciating pain.

Randy

Biker
November 23, 2005, 08:53 PM
Ah! Thanks folks. That would sure as hell take the lead out of a man's pencil!
Biker

Stickjockey
November 23, 2005, 08:54 PM
"You need two hands to open it, so the rapist can't hold you down and open it at the same time. It takes a while to figure it out if you don't know what you're doing," she said.

So the MZB sneaks up, bashes your head in, and does his thing at his leisure?:rolleyes:

Okay, so the buckle is a miracle of modern puzzlery. Anyone know if the belt itself is reinforced?

http://www.rescueproducts.co.uk/images/cutting_spreading_equipment/seat_belt_cutter.gif

If not, I give it about 15 seconds.

m0ntels
November 23, 2005, 09:00 PM
I always find it amazing that people try and keep young people from having consentual sex, while doing so little to help them prevent unwanted sex. Put those African inserts in the school bathrooms instead. I wonder how people could protest against that.

Randy

Dionysusigma
November 23, 2005, 09:01 PM
I think Mitch Rosen makes a pretty good chastity belt. :)

http://www.mitchrosen.com/product_line/belts/belt1.jpg

Well, that... coupled with this:

http://www.mitchrosen.com/product_line/holsters/inside_waistband/wkm.jpg

:D

Just reminded of Oleg's picture.

http://www.a-human-right.com/s_comeback.jpg

fisherman66
November 23, 2005, 09:21 PM
They make a great wedding gift.

atek3
November 23, 2005, 10:19 PM
From rapestop.com

39) What if I am asleep and someone enters my house and tries to rape me?

Golden rule... keep the device right next to you. Remember it is very easy to insert, and very quick too.

Screw that... it's called a "handgun", learn to use it.

Both those items are so stupid... "handguns" the most effective tool to stop rape.

atek3

Lupinus
November 23, 2005, 10:29 PM
I actually did some research a few years ago an anti rape methods (sorry have lsot my links) and some are jsut...wow.

Chastity belts of corse there were also devices that...uhm....well shall we say catch the train once its already in the tunnel. And there were several of these. Basicly they all sit up there all day and did the same basic thing but in slightly different ways. Acted basicly like a sheath and when a rapist did was rapists do he was in for a nasty surprise. One had hooks on the side that actually worked on the reverse allowing it in and then on the withdrawl snaged him and the more he pulled the deeper it would bite. Another basicly had razor blade on it. And yet another actually had a HARPOON when the rapist did his thing he got it IMPALED when a spring tripped the harpoon to fire at him and some of these were actualy made to inject a sedative so he would be knocked out and could be arrested....personaly I think a harpoon in there would be aufficiant on its own to keep a rapist from running....but having never experienced it *knock on wood and prays* Im just guessing

Darrin
November 23, 2005, 11:01 PM
From rapestop.com



Screw that... it's called a "handgun", learn to use it.

Both those items are so stupid... "handguns" the most effective tool to stop rape.

atek3
...and for those where handguns aren't an option? What about them? Not everyone lives in freedom. :)

Standing Wolf
November 24, 2005, 12:05 AM
...and for those where handguns aren't an option? What about them? Not everyone lives in freedom.

If they get serious enough about violent crime, they'll start throwing out politicians until they get respect for their intrinsic human rights.

fisherman66
November 24, 2005, 12:17 AM
knock on wood

subtle, but obvious pun...I wet myself....that's a groiner.

Twycross
November 24, 2005, 01:46 AM
And yet another actually had a HARPOON when the rapist did his thing he got it IMPALED when a spring dripped the harpoon to fire at him
:what: :evil: I'm cringing at the mere idea!

Lupinus
November 24, 2005, 02:09 AM
yeah I have know about it long enough to uhm....not be shocked anymore when it pops into mind but that would have had to hurt lol

Preacherman
November 24, 2005, 04:23 AM
The big problem with devices using hooks, harpoons, etc. is that one does NOT want the rapist's bodily fluids (including blood) to be in a position to infect one with whatever nasty diseases he may be carrying. These anti-rape devices may prevent ejaculation, but if he's bleeding all over you, this kinda defeats the object of the exercise... :scrutiny:

gunsmith
November 24, 2005, 05:50 AM
rapist will simply switch tactics.

doesn't Sweden have ok gun laws (for Europe?)

longtooth
November 24, 2005, 06:34 AM
That belt is the dumbest thing any no thinking rape preventer ever thought of. Rapist with gun or knife - "take your clothes off. Humm :mad: what ever that is take it off too". Any rapist that was hurt as bad as the incerts have got to hurt would surely kill the victim. For me there are some things worse than death & that would have to be one. Five rounds center mass from a snubby & he will wait for her to reload so she can shoot him w/ her 5 more rounds she carries in the extra speed strip. If I were a woman in a no gun society I would rather be judged & jailed by a tyrant than raped by a thug.

LadySmith
November 24, 2005, 07:44 AM
Preacherman & Longtooth brought up two major flaws in such devices:
1) It does nothing to prevent a rapist from getting bodily fluids on the victim.
2) The rapist can either remove the device or simply force the victim to.
I would do everything in my power to prevent a rapist from ever laying hands on me in the first place. I've found firearms to be most effective. Other alternatives would be knives, machetes, spears, sticks, poles, basically anything I could get my hands on in order to keep a distance. The idea is to prevent the assault in the first place. Also, this being California, I'd probably get sued by the perp for using an anti-rape device.:mad:

joab
November 24, 2005, 08:08 AM
The big problem with devices using hooks, harpoons, etc. is that one does NOT want the rapist's bodily fluids (including blood) to be in a position to infect one with whatever nasty diseases he may be carrying. These anti-rape devices may prevent ejaculation, but if he's bleeding all over you, this kinda defeats the object of the exercise..From the add I don't think the South African man trap allows for fluid exchange.
It appears to be a heavy condom with tiny barbs that stay in the penis until the whole contraption is withdrawn.
I'm not a doctor or have any medical training, but I do remember being taught in basic training to leave the object in a puncture wound to prevent bleeding.

They can give free T- shirts to each new customer
Severe Penile Damage Do Not Enter

Remember the old parking garage signs
Sever tire damage...
never mind

Stingray
November 24, 2005, 08:20 AM
The belt is completely useless. A rapist could just pound a woman in the head until she agrees to remove the belt. The rapex device can easily be checked for with a finger, and if found can either be removed, or the woman can then be raped anally or orally. Maybe a few rapists would fall for it, but after word gets out not many more.

Rapists will still have power over the woman, and if he has power over the victim, then the device is useless. A proper deterent will give the woman the power, which is why a gun is really the only way to go.

c_yeager
November 24, 2005, 09:42 AM
Before getting too indignint and frothy at the mouth I would consider for a moment that we are talking about a school project built by highschool children. Im not sure what you are expecting, but I give them credit for coming up with something off-the-wall enough to get it put in the newspaper, which imediatly makes this better than that stupid bridge I made with popsicle sticks.

Firethorn
November 24, 2005, 11:07 AM
Before getting too indignint and frothy at the mouth I would consider for a moment that we are talking about a school project built by highschool children. Im not sure what you are expecting, but I give them credit for coming up with something off-the-wall enough to get it put in the newspaper, which imediatly makes this better than that stupid bridge I made with popsicle sticks.

That's what I was thinking. Sure, there may be a few problems, but when I was in school, I made mats out of defective belts from the local factory.

Also, part of confounding rapists, just like thieves, is to use a multitude of methods. Sure, there might be a simple counter to each method. But can you imagine what would happen if every woman picked at least one?

The guy would have to carry a pack for all the counters, and wear lvl IV body armor. Oh, and some of the nastier products can be used anally as well, so that's not a safe direction to take either. Which I'm all in favor off.

TallPine
November 24, 2005, 12:10 PM
It won't work ...

The rapist would just take it away from her and use it to tie her hands or gag her or something :p


(I heard that line somewhere... ;) )

cpileri
November 24, 2005, 12:58 PM
These devices, however painful, are an acceptance of victimization.

It misses the other fundamental evil of a rape: dignity.
The woman must still suffer the indignity of penetration.

IOW she has in fact been raped, and sufered that humiliating assault. The device didnt prevent rape at all. it only prevented the rapists' ejaculation.

These devices are simply "getting back" at her rapist AFTER the fact. It shows how dysfunctional the modern woman has become in believing what must be assumptions behind the decision to use this device:
1. The possibility of rape exists
2. You may be raped
3. overpowering you, the rapist will penetrate you which defines the act

numbers 1 & 2 are of course true. Number 3 though implies inevitability that she will be overpowered; that the woman can not and/or SHOULD NOT do anything about it and can only react after penetration has occured. A woman who choses this means of 'defense' has already resigned herself to accepting the rape and that her only option left is to lacerate his member while being raped.

That assumption is made by a woman who has already given up on defending her basic human dignity and is the worst possible loss of perspective and of what is right and wrong.

This is a mostly male forum, to be sure, and I know the women here are most likely to agree that prevention is the only way to thwart a rapist and preserve that basic human dignity. I only hope other women, unlike the 300 who bought those damn belts, realize it.

C-


The big problem with devices using hooks, harpoons, etc. is that one does NOT want the rapist's bodily fluids (including blood) to be in a position to infect one with whatever nasty diseases he may be carrying. These anti-rape devices may prevent ejaculation, but if he's bleeding all over you, this kinda defeats the object of the exercise... :scrutiny:

Darrin
November 24, 2005, 01:21 PM
If they get serious enough about violent crime, they'll start throwing out politicians until they get respect for their intrinsic human rights.
Can't argue with that. I was only referring to 'the mean time.'

Anyway, dumb idea or not, I give these Swedish teens credit for at least being active against rape and not living in denial saying, "it won't happen to me."

The Viking
November 24, 2005, 02:28 PM
rapist will simply switch tactics.

doesn't Sweden have ok gun laws (for Europe?)
Depends on what you compare it with. Better than England, Australia, N.Y.C, and Washington DC. LOT worse than say any state in the US where blissninnys are in minority.
CCW is possible in theory here, but the number of people with one is probably less than one hundred. Fully automatic weapons are also a possibility, however very, very small.

goon
November 24, 2005, 04:47 PM
I think that the best way to eliminate rape is to start eliminating rapists.
Winchester white box 9mm is about $11 per 100 at the local Wal-Mart.
Executions made cheaper.
No need to waste those expensive alcohol pads either.

The Viking
November 25, 2005, 12:42 PM
I think that the best way to eliminate rape is to start eliminating rapists.
Winchester white box 9mm is about $11 per 100 at the local Wal-Mart.
Executions made cheaper.
No need to waste those expensive alcohol pads either.
Unfortunatly, CCW is near impossible here:( :fire: :banghead:
The criminals don't care about that...who could imagine that!

goon
November 26, 2005, 03:08 AM
While CCW is a great way to defend yourself, that isn't exactly what I was referring to.
I am an American and we are known to be a country full of barbaric misfits so please take that into consideration.
I was talking about making rape a death penalty crime, and then enforcing that penalty cheaply.
I suppose a rope may be a better deal though. I can't imagine needing more than 10 feet (a little over 3 meters) to hang someone and it could be recycled a whole lot of times.
That would be justice.

c_yeager
November 26, 2005, 03:51 AM
I suppose a rope may be a better deal though. I can't imagine needing more than 10 feet (a little over 3 meters) to hang someone and it could be recycled a whole lot of times.


There is an old manual (i think actually published by the navy) that specifies the exact length of rope required to properly hang a man based on his weight. There was a *very* bizarre case in Washington in which a man actually ate his way off the top end of the chart and argued that he couldnt be hung because it could result in either decapitation or strangulation which would be cruel and unusual (but kinda funny, if you ask me). We changed our 'default' method of execuation to lethal injection as a result of this, now people can only be hanged by special request (which actually happened once that I am aware of).

mrmeval
November 26, 2005, 09:16 AM
So they figure out how to check for it and if they find it they kill her. She should kill them first.

+1, and to those who havent seen it...

http://www.rapestop.net/



Randy

joab
November 26, 2005, 05:16 PM
If I understand correctly these things are bad because the rapist has to actually rape them for it to work and if the rapist finds them he might kill them for using them so they should carry guns to protect themselves from the rape before it happens.

But since guns are not available to the women of these countries should they just carry KY and asked to be kissed first?

Don Gwinn
November 26, 2005, 07:51 PM
...and for those where handguns aren't an option? What about them? Not everyone lives in freedom.
My wife uses pepper spray and a Spyderco Native.

Strings
November 27, 2005, 05:00 AM
Don, remind me not to irritate your wife... ;)

The Viking
November 27, 2005, 05:54 AM
My wife uses pepper spray and a Spyderco Native.
If I told you that pepper spray requires a hard-to-get license to purchase here, would you believe me? :banghead: :(

carebear
November 27, 2005, 08:20 PM
Make that TWO Spyderco Natives then. :evil:

mustanger98
November 27, 2005, 08:30 PM
which imediatly makes this better than that stupid bridge I made with popsicle sticks.

Yeah, or that "make the messiest/best/most-unique/most-diverse peanut butter sandwich" thing the 4-H Club foisted upon us in the 5th grade.:uhoh:

I subscribe to the El Presidente model here, but I've heard of some women who, shooting at a torso target, will start at the crotch area and work their way up to the head.

Regarding hanging, I do recall they have that formula for weight/length. I also recall some documentary of the hanging of Black Jack Ketchum (train robber) which resulted in decapitation because his hobby in jail while awaiting execution was sit and eat. I also recall that using a recycled hanging rope is no good. The first hanging done with a rope stretches it tight and I saw where they re-inacted this one situation on Wild West Tech. After the first hanging, they soaped the rope, so not only was it tight, it was also slick. Instead of being a clean neck-breaking hanging, the hangee got his throat cut and blood wound up all over everybody. But, I do agree that if some offenses were punishable by hanging, it'd be justice served.

MD_Willington
November 28, 2005, 05:11 PM
It may block the front door, but the perp may be after the back door...:rolleyes:

loose cannon
November 28, 2005, 05:37 PM
If I told you that pepper spray requires a hard-to-get license to purchase here, would you believe me? :banghead: :(

and ill bet spydercos require a act of legislature to get a permit for as well,,,,,

look back 229years to see what we did about our tyranical goverment and do the same to yours because a goverment that doesnt uphold basic human rights deserves distruction!!!!

if ours keeps heading in the direction of yours we will repeat the treatment given in 1776.

Twycross
November 28, 2005, 05:41 PM
It may block the front door, but the perp may be after the back door...
...Or the skylight. Bottom line, this device is well meant, but once it's existance is learned, it will become either useless or dangerous.

jobu07
November 28, 2005, 05:58 PM
Nobody ever raped a .38

akodo
November 28, 2005, 09:09 PM
I wonder if there will be a warning not to wear the belt with a skirt?

DRZinn
November 29, 2005, 03:27 AM
Dionysusigma beat me to it. The belt would work a lot better with a holster attached.

The Viking
November 29, 2005, 04:08 PM
and ill bet spydercos require a act of legislature to get a permit for as well,,,,,.
No. They are just illegal to carry, atleast for self defence. OTOH, if you are attacked, you can use just about anything to defend yourself, provided that you didn't carry it with you. A handgun suddenly materializes just by your hand while you are on the ground with a rapist over you? Put the business end under his chin, and blow him to hell. But carry something (effective) with you? Oh no, don't even think about it. (Thats not PC-think here, nor "fair" for the thieves...:rolleyes: :banghead: :mad: :cuss: )
I have a feeling things are going to explode quite soon. Someone even suggested letting women carry pepper spray. Discriminatory(for the dudes), but a step in the right direction I suppose...Also, the PC crowd has had it with covering for rapists, and quite recently, a trend has arrived, the newsrags are starting to publish proper pictures, and physical descriptions of rapists...some people say it just confirms what everyone with more than two braincells have known for a long time...I dont really know what to think...

loose cannon
November 29, 2005, 04:19 PM
i feel for you unarmed!heres what you do if it becomes intolerable over there get your family to mexico use a temporary brown die to the skin and black your hair and cross into us.but best do it soon cause our border security is about to tighten and the door will shut soon. or u can wait a few years and come legally.

if you do make it look me up and we can shoot together.btw my wifes great grandfather imigrated here from jenshepin sweden.her anti rape weapon of choice? a glock 17.17+1 9mm jhps and a g18 33rd spare mag.

The Viking
November 29, 2005, 04:57 PM
i feel for you unarmed!heres what you do if it becomes intolerable over there get your family to mexico use a temporary brown die to the skin and black your hair and cross into us.but best do it soon cause our border security is about to tighten and the door will shut soon. or u can wait a few years and come legally.

if you do make it look me up and we can shoot together.btw my wifes great grandfather imigrated here from jenshepin sweden.her anti rape weapon of choice? a glock 17.17+1 9mm jhps and a g18 33rd spare mag.
I like that idea, however, I'm trying to get people to be atleast sympatethic to the RKBA cause...I might have won over a few...I will try my darndest to get the laws to get better here, but I don't know...it seems pointless at times... Most people don't give a damn about pistols here, as long as they have their sbs and their bolt action rifles...personally I've been thinking more and more about getting my hands on firearms thru "alternative" means...every man should have atleast one firearm the government does not know about, right?...
jenshepin Jönköping:D Took me a few seconds to figure out what you were talking about :D

loose cannon
November 29, 2005, 08:36 PM
your plan is more noble than flight unarmed but this nation is full of people who finaly figured they wernt going to improve things where they were and"got out of dodge"to use a local euphemism.

i wish you goodluck and godspeed in your efforts and thanks for the correct writing of jonkoping my wife will get a kick out of it.

loose cannon
November 29, 2005, 09:00 PM
as for aquisition of guns through alternate means one has to be very cautious to not run afoul of the laws over here if i comit a weapon felony or even in some cases a misdemenor i stand to lose my right to own guns as well as my permits to carry concealed.the ability to get guns that are off goverment radar isnt completly illegal yet.

its a shame i couldnt for instance trade you a american firearm of your choice and equivelent vallue to a swedish model 1894 carbine in 6.5x55mm.those are rare as chicken teath here and probably the coolest of the swede mausers in my opinion.

again be careful to stay within your laws unless youre prepared to suffer the consequences and if you do aquire a few"un-papered"guns tell no one!

The Viking
November 30, 2005, 01:45 AM
loose cannon: Yes I know about the legal problems that is almost certain to follow, so therefore I won't try to get any unless its really necessary (SHTF, Paris-style riots, etc)...

Justin
November 30, 2005, 02:03 AM
Just mosey-ing through this thread, figured I'd drop a not-so-subtle hint that THR is about advancing the RKBA through legal means, and conversations about deliberately breaking the law, regardless of how idiotic, will get a thread locked.

The Viking
November 30, 2005, 12:26 PM
Just mosey-ing through this thread, figured I'd drop a not-so-subtle hint that THR is about advancing the RKBA through legal means, and conversations about deliberately breaking the law, regardless of how idiotic, will get a thread locked.
Sorry...just thinking loudly...I'm going to get rifles the proper way...

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