Looking for a 357 revolver on a budget...


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dookiesbud
November 25, 2005, 12:50 AM
Ive seen a couple of Taurus's under $300, like the 605 and 617. Does anyone have one of this revolvers to give an opinions on them?

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Jamie C.
November 25, 2005, 01:30 AM
I carried a 605 for quite a few years and never had any trouble out of it.
I shot everything you can imagine through it, from light .38's to heavy .357's... It always kept ticking right along, no matter what. ( A 605 is a bit of a handful with the mags though.... Not for the recoil sensitive. )

The particular specimen I had would make one ragged hole with 5 rounds at 10 or 15 yards too, if I did my part.

Wish I'd never sold it. :(


J.C.

SJshooter
November 25, 2005, 01:35 AM
My advice: either save up for a new Smith or buy a used Smith that works great.

It won't take you very long to put $300 worth of ammo thru that gun, not to mention that you'll have to buy cleaning supplies, eye/ear protection, possibly a holster, possibly a safe and I mentioned the ammo, which isn't cheap.

Yeah, you're saving some dough now, but you won't have the gun very long before you've spent a lot more beyond that and you may find you wished you had spent it on a quality piece that will not only last a lifetime, but can re-sell at anytime for a great price.

Jamie C.
November 25, 2005, 02:21 AM
...either save up for a new Smith or buy a used Smith that works great.

Although I can agree with buying an older Smith that's in good shape, over the Taurus, I have to say that I've seen absolutely nothing to indicate that new Smiths are any better than new Taurus revolvers.... And I'm not for spending $200 more on anything just because of it's brand name.

But this is just my opinion. *shrug*



J.C.

SJshooter
November 25, 2005, 02:47 AM
Well, look again. The new Smiths are great. They may not be as good as older Smiths, but they're head and shoulders over a Taurus.

To the original poster: You'll find plenty of happy, fully-satisfied Taurus owners here and in other forums. And if that's the route you go, I hope you get a lot of enjoyment out of your gun and the sport of shooting. But you'll also find plenty of people who believe those guns to be inferior pieces of crap that are prone to breakdown with no re-sale value. Respect to those in the former group, but count me in the latter group.

Jamie C.
November 25, 2005, 03:08 AM
Well, look again. The new Smiths are great. They may not be as good as older Smiths, but they're head and shoulders over a Taurus.


Okay, I'll bite; WHY are the Smiths "head and shoulders" over a Taurus?

Materials? Design? Workmanship?

I've owned, shot, and carried both brands for a very long time...better than 20 years. In all that time, and through all those guns, I've never owned...or even seen.... a bad Taurus revolver. Never gotten a bad Smith, either, although I've seen a couple. ( This may be due entirely to blind luck, or the fact that Smith & Wesson revolvers outnumber Taurus by a good margin here. )

Yes, the older Taurus guns were a bit rough, but that seems to have changed in the last 15-20 years. Smith & Wesson, on the other hand, has gotten a bit sloppy, in this same period of time.

Anyway, I'm not trying to start a fight here, and I'm not trying to change anybody's mind that likes one brand and not the other.... I'd just like to know what the perceived defects are.


J.C.

Mr_Moore
November 25, 2005, 03:21 AM
I have one, carry it constantly, love it.

6inch
November 25, 2005, 09:50 AM
Ive seen a couple of Taurus's under $300, like the 605 and 617. Does anyone have one of this revolvers to give an opinions on them?


Take a walk over to the Taurus Forum and have a look around. Might be an eye opener.

Good luck in your search.

denfoote
November 25, 2005, 09:55 AM
I currently carry a 605.
No problems!!!

dawei
November 25, 2005, 10:05 AM
Ive seen a couple of Taurus's under $300, like the 605 and 617. Does anyone have one of this revolvers to give an opinions on them?

I have a Taurus® Mdl 617 2SS my wife gave me for my birthday in 2003. It's absolutely flawless in performance.:D It's highy accurate and utterly reliable.:) ;)

Majic
November 25, 2005, 11:29 AM
They all break no matter who's name is on the side. All factories are still running a repeair department. So do a complete check of whatever you decide and take your chances at what passes.

BTW... a S&W resells for more than a Taurus because it initally cost more than a Taurus.

Euclidean
November 25, 2005, 07:44 PM
I personally have purchased a 586 no dash in very respectable condition for 300 even.

Hold out for a Smith.

dookiesbud
November 25, 2005, 07:48 PM
thanks for all of your opinions

Bill B.
November 25, 2005, 09:10 PM
I'll throw another two out also that can be real deals: the Ruger Security Six and Speed Six. I have found both of these in like new shape for around $225.00 in the blue finish. Pawn shops are a good place for deals on all brands this time of year and would be one of my first stops. :)

sm
November 25, 2005, 09:15 PM
Another Vote for OLDER S&Ws

I'll throw another two out also that can be real deals: the Ruger Security Six and Speed Six.

+1

kahr404life
November 25, 2005, 09:17 PM
Korth revolvers are complex but well made. :cool:

tube_ee
November 25, 2005, 10:59 PM
I'll add a vote for a revolver that hasn't been mentioned, the Colt Trooper MK III. I love mine. I shoot tighter groups with my 1970 4" Trooper than I do with my shootin' bro's 6" King Cobra, even though the KC has a lighter DA trigger and better grips. Dunno why.

The DA trigger is a bit heavy, although quite smooth and linear. The trigger in SA is just about perfect. Replacement spring kits are available, and I'll be putting one in someday. The service grips are a bit fat at the bottom, but otherwise are fine. I'll be replacing them, not because I hate them (I don't) but just because they could be better. People with more knowledge than I'll ever have have declared the Mk III Colts to be one of the strongest .357 service revolvers ever made.

The blueing on mine is better than anything you'll find now, short of a Holland. Of course, that seems to be the case with older American revolvers in general. Bluing steel seems to be a lost art these days.

They seem to get no respect, at least in terms of resale value. Maybe the Pythons are getting all the love.

Every time I shoot mine, I think, "why in the hell can't Colt make a gun like this now? They'd clean house." Of course, I feel that way when I shoot an older S&W, as well.

I doubt I'll ever buy a new revolver. They really "don't make 'em like they used to."

--Shannon

StrikeEagle
November 26, 2005, 08:08 AM
All factories are still running a repeair department.

With the Ruger "Six" Series... just barely. "One guy in a small room" is what I've heard... and that for many hundreds of thousands of "Six" revolvers.

If I were looking for a .357, my first choice would be a Ruger Security Six. I love these revolvers. :)

StrikeEagle

LynnMassGuy
November 26, 2005, 09:11 AM
I'll cast another vote for a Security Six. You can find em' for <$300 all day long and they rock.

wanderinwalker
November 26, 2005, 09:26 AM
Find yourself a Ruger! No questions. Though I am not a huge Ruger fan, I do like their revolvers more than well enough. A used Security Six, Speed Six or GP100 should serve well. Used GP100s around here go for between $300 and $350, depending on condition and variation. My father has 2 GP100s; both are smooth enough and accurate. My only gripe? They don't have a S&W action job.

edwardyoung
November 26, 2005, 10:36 AM
Take a walk over to the Taurus Forum and have a look around. Might be an eye opener.

Good luck in your search.

Where's the Taurus Forum? Thanks

patrol120
November 26, 2005, 11:20 AM
You ought to be able to find a solid k-frame for well within your price range, maybe even an L-frame.

I paid 250OTD for my 98% 586 no dash. I see 19s all the time for that kind of money. The only other gun Id consideris the Ruger Security/Speed Six guns. Ruger really screwed the pooch when they dropped it for the abomination of crap, the GP/SP series.

6inch
November 26, 2005, 11:24 AM
Where's the Taurus Forum? Thanks

Go to unitedforums.com, scroll down to Taurus Forum. :)

MrTuffPaws
November 26, 2005, 12:11 PM
627 Tracker here. The 7 shot 357. I love that gun and nary a problem.

ruger357
November 26, 2005, 12:47 PM
Another vote for a used S&W. I just picked up a solid 681 for $225.

Scarface
November 26, 2005, 03:53 PM
Hi Dookie,

We just came back from the range shooting, among others, our Taurus 605. We just put a set of Crimson Trace grips in it and it was really ahoot to shoot. The original grips were more comfortable, but the Crimson Trace grips are great for training.
We paid $259.00 cash at a gun show and have really enjoyed the snubby. It has just about the best trigger I can imagine for a just out of the box pistol. We were both surprised at the accuracy from a 2 inch barrel. I believe the smooth trigger contributes to this accuracy. It's not my wife's favorite pistol, but she does well with it. It's her bedside pistol (hence the laser grips). She doesn't shoot the .357swith it, but she can handle the .38 specials quite well.
In sum, we're pleased with the value and quality of the pistol.

Be Well,

Scarface

Kevinch
November 27, 2005, 11:03 AM
You didn't indicate what your usage for this revolver might be. If it is simply for plinking or target, you might want to look into a nice used Ruger single-action such as a Blackhawk or Vaquero.

svtruth
November 27, 2005, 03:05 PM
Just picked up a GP-100, 4" barrel, .357 in stainless, NIB, $320 out the door, as a Christmas present for #1 son.
Good luck.

NEtracker
November 27, 2005, 11:26 PM
For the range & HD, look at the 4 inch S&W M66, can be found for $300-$350 used. Nothing wrong with a good condition used Ruger GP100.

Master Blaster
November 28, 2005, 08:52 AM
You know when I saw the title this AM, I just knew that it would be a Smith vs Ruger debate yet again.

First there is the Smith guy, "save your money buy a smith they are better."

Then along comes the Ruger guy, "But rugers are stronger."

Then the used smith guy who always finds a perfect one for $200.:rolleyes:

The man asked for opinions on Taurus revolvers From folks who actually own and shoot them.

Stevel
November 28, 2005, 08:55 AM
I bought a Taurus 650 a couple years ago. I looked at Smiths but the triggers felt like someone forgot to polish them. Though it would smooth up or I could do a trigger job, I figured why should I have to if I'm paying a premium? I went with the Taurus and have been very happy.

Master Blaster
November 28, 2005, 09:12 AM
I have two Taurus revolvers a 94 4" .22lr which I have put many thousands of rounds through in the last 7 years. Its my favorite firearm for introducing new shooters to handguns. It has an excellent trigger pull in both single and double action. I have had no problems with it at all.

A couple months ago I bought a .45 acp tracker, also excellent in the trigger department, and very accurate. Its a K-frame sized 5 shot .45 acp revolver, something I wish Smith made. I have about 1,000 rounds fired through it with no problems at all.

Taurus seems to be making a good product as far as I can tell.

I do like Smith and Wessons, and have many more of them, so I can also recommend them, Rugers, yep they are good too.

My advice is to try before you buy, shoot it if you can, or rent one like it, and see what best fits your hand and your wallet.

BryanP
November 28, 2005, 09:39 AM
You really can't go wrong with a Ruger, Smith, Colt or Taurus. Each have their proponents and detractors. Each makes a quality firearm. Each has (and will continue) to put out the occasional lemon.

I own 3 Taurus revolvers myself. A used 66, a 617SS I bought new, and a 94 I bought new. All function quite well. I have a S&W 638 on layaway right now and I suspect I will like it a lot. I'd like a Ruger GP100, but wouldn't feel bad if I ran across a deal on a equivalent Taurus or Smith.

Buy what you can afford, and be sure to check it out using the techniques outlined here:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=1430

steveracer
November 28, 2005, 10:18 AM
Has 4" fixed sight stainless Ruger GP100s for $225.
There is no such thing as a better gun for less money.
I think we can all agree that for under $250 there's just no other .357 to buy.

Rotorflyr
December 7, 2005, 01:40 PM
You know when I saw the title this AM, I just knew that it would be a Smith vs Ruger debate yet again.

"save your money buy a smith they are better."
"But rugers are stronger."
Then the guy who always finds a perfect one for $200.
The man asked for opinions on Taurus revolvers From folks who actually own and shoot them.

Isn't that what always happens around here??? :D

The best advice given in this thread was this:
try before you buy, shoot it if you can, or rent one like it, and see what best fits your hand and your wallet.

This applies to what ever "brand" you are interested in.

dasmi
December 7, 2005, 01:42 PM
Look at the Ruger Service, Speed, and Security Six.
I got my Service Six for $225.
http://silenceisdefeat.org/~dasmi/images/service_six/4.jpg
And with the new grips
http://silenceisdefeat.org/~dasmi/images/service_six/servicesix-newgrip1.jpg

MCgunner
December 7, 2005, 01:59 PM
I've owned Rugers, Tauruses or Taurii (whatever the plural is), Smiths, and Rossi revolvers and liked all of 'em. The Rossis were somewhat rougher, but quality guns and quite servicable. Frankly, the my two Tauruses and my current Smith are pretty well equals and that Smith is fifties vintage. I fail to see why anyone would bash any of these brands unless they're just champions of a specific marque.

Noone mentioned a Colt. Find a used Python and you can HAVE your Smith! Of course, you ain't gonna find a Python any good for anywhere NEAR $300.

Comes crunch time, any of the revolvers I've ever owned are up to the task. Sorta wish I'd never traded that Security Six, was a dandy .357. My current Taurus nickeled .357, L frame sized, out shoots it, though. Both have/had 4" barrels. That Taurus is a tack driver with most ammo, though, simply amazing. It's the most accurate DA revolver I've ever owned. I picked it up at a gun show for two hundred bucks! It was tight, timed perfectly, looked so good I couldn't figure out why the guy had such a low price on it, figured I'd chance it, sure glad I did! My Ruger, Smith, and Rossi guns have all been more picky about accuracy with ammo choices. I have a little Taurus J frame ultra lite I like a lot, too.

I don't profess to be a gun expert, but I HAVE at least OWNED the brand in question. I have also owned Smiths with which to compare them to, Rugers, too! You can't go terribly wrong with any of these brands IMHO. And, if you get a used one with a problem, Smith, Ruger, Taurus, and Interarms/Rossi all have in house repair facilities.

GaryM
December 10, 2005, 11:32 AM
I just picked up a excellent condition used stainless steel Ruger Security Six for 270.00, I think I did well and others should be able to do as well with just a bit of looking and haggling.

mbt2001
December 10, 2005, 12:41 PM
I purchased a Taurus 66 in .357 and had to take it back to the gun shop and get my money back. The timing on the cylinders was off, un beknownst to me, and one of the rounds was just enough off to break the gun. Lucky I didn't get hurt...

If you really are on a budget and want to get a .357, get the Rossi .357. I have a Rossi .38 that I bout 2 years ago and it is one of my favorite snubs. I plan to buy another .38 and one or two of thier .357 offerings.

Rugers are great guns, but if you are impatient, go for the Rossi, you can buy two of those and ammo for the price of the Smith.

Sport45
December 10, 2005, 02:04 PM
Don't forget Dan Wesson. They are currently are underrated and undervalued (although that seems to be changing as more folks catch on). You can probably pick one up for around $200 and then add additional barrels, grips, etc. later. Very reliable and strong revolvers.

22-rimfire
December 10, 2005, 02:42 PM
Forget the budget. Buy what you like. You won't think about that budget after owning one you really like in a couple of years. My favorites would be a 4" Colt Trooper Mark III, which ever Smith you like the best as they are all good, or a Ruger GP100 series revolver.

old4x4
December 10, 2005, 04:16 PM
I just picked up a used Taurus 669 4" 375 mag for 265.00 and it's absolutely a shooter! Have a set of Wolff springs coming for it to smooth out the trigger, but a really, really nice gun.

riverdog
December 10, 2005, 04:58 PM
I've never owned or shot a Taurus, but every S&W I own save one was bought used. Every one of them was and is in great shape.. They're not all pretty, some have lots of character, but they all shoot great. My only new S&W is a 629 Trail Boss with the lock -- shoots great, the lock is irrelevant.

MCgunner
December 10, 2005, 05:16 PM
I've owned Smith and Wessons (have one now), Tauruses (have two now), Rossis (have two now), and Rugers (have 3 revolvers now, single actions). All have been good guns. The Rossis were the values, very good shooters. That M971 I had, I kinda wish I hadn't traded off. It was light and a dandy medium frame carry gun. The two Tauruses I have are good guns, the .357 rivals any Smith I've fired for accuracy and fit and finish. It's an awesome gun, L frame in size. I'd as soon own and shoot it as a 586. The Ruger double action I had was a Security Six, strong, a little heavier built than a K frame, but lighter than an L frame. It was a good gun and REALLY GREAT, strong design. The GP100 improves on strength, but at the cost of weight. One thing about that Security Six, though, it had a heck of a lot of muzzle flip and recoil with hot loads, more than any other .357 I've owned including that M971 Rossi which was a little lighter.

But, I can say from owning them, a gun from any of these manufacturers will do you proud. I've kept the best of those guns, best by my opinion. My lone Smith in my collection now is an old M10, little used, very tight and smooth, built back before Smiths fit and finish went to pot for a while. Thank goodness they've come back. They never were bad, but Rossi rivaled them for fit and finish for a while and that's not a compliment to S&W. :D They've always shot well regardless.

If you can pick up a good used 686 S&W or a good Taurus medium frame .357 or a good used Ruger, you will not regret it. The Rossis are good, too, just a little lower on the fit and finish pole. But, they are quite functional and will perform flawlessly for you. They're a lot cheaper than the other three, usually. But, I've seen some killer deals on used Security Sixes.

georgeduz
December 10, 2005, 06:23 PM
ruger or smith,forget about the tarus, that company sucks.

John Ross
December 10, 2005, 08:20 PM
I own many DAs of all types and hundreds more have gone through my hands. Out of the box a Taurus or Ruger trigger is noticeably worse than S&W, and that's the main reason they're cheaper.

Get the one that feels best to you.

JR

mtnbkr
December 10, 2005, 08:55 PM
Out of the box a Taurus or Ruger trigger is noticeably worse than S&W, and that's the main reason they're cheaper.
You should check out a new Taurus. Every small Taurus (the only ones I'm interested in) has a better trigger than it's S&W J-Frame counterpart. The 85 Ultralight I inspected at the time I bought my NIB 37 had a better trigger than the 37, for example. The Taurus had a lighter, smoother DA trigger. I didn't check out the SA operation since I rarely use it.

I think Taurus is catching up, if not surpassing S&W. At least in the small CCW sized revolvers...

FWIW, I bought the Smith because I had bugged my dealer to get one for me and I had already completed the paperwork. I felt it was in bad taste to back out at that point. Comparing the two side by side with no self induced pressure to pick one over the other and I'd have to give the nod to Taurus.

Chris

Lobotomy Boy
December 10, 2005, 11:23 PM
I've owned a Colt, a couple of Rugers (have a Blackhawk Convertible now), and a bunch of Smiths over the years, and they were always my favorite revolvers, at least until I got my 605C. The Taurus has a much better trigger than any other modern revolver I've owned or shot (the passing years has made the triggers on the pre-1980 Smiths I owned seem a lot better than they probably were in reality). I had no previous experience with Taurus and I had the same snobby attitude towards them as some of the posters on this thread until I actually started shooting one on a regular basis. Now I've been converted. I can shoot that little snubby almost as well as I can shoot my Blackhawk with its 7-inch barrel, and the cheapo Taurus has a better trigger. It has a much better trigger than any recent Smith I've shot. Those have universally been disappointing. My next handgun purchase will probably be a lightweight .44 Magnum. You can bet I won't be paying the extra $200 to buy a Smith.

chaim
December 11, 2005, 12:18 AM
Ive seen a couple of Taurus's under $300, like the 605 and 617. Does anyone have one of this revolvers to give an opinions on them?

I'm surprised I hadn't posted on this thread yet.

Taurus revolvers are perfectly good revolvers.

I had a 605. I didn't like it much. It was 100% reliable, fit my hand fine, and was reasonably accurate (as accurate as I can be with a snub). However, I don't like shooting magnums out of such a small gun. I sold it and eventually replaced it with a Taurus 85 (the .38spl 85 is a few oz lighter than the .357mag 605).

I've owned 3 different Taurus revolvers (currently own the 85, had the 605 and my first gun was a Taurus 82). All three were 100% reliable. Fit and finish ranged from good to great. The small snubs (the 85 and 605) have better triggers than any S&W J-frame I've tried.

Hard to go wrong with a Taurus.

cookekdjr
December 12, 2005, 10:11 AM
Okay, I'll bite; WHY are the Smiths "head and shoulders" over a Taurus?

Materials? Design? Workmanship?

I've owned, shot, and carried both brands for a very long time...better than 20 years. In all that time, and through all those guns, I've never owned...or even seen.... a bad Taurus revolver. Never gotten a bad Smith, either, although I've seen a couple. ( This may be due entirely to blind luck, or the fact that Smith & Wesson revolvers outnumber Taurus by a good margin here. )

Yes, the older Taurus guns were a bit rough, but that seems to have changed in the last 15-20 years. Smith & Wesson, on the other hand, has gotten a bit sloppy, in this same period of time.

Anyway, I'm not trying to start a fight here, and I'm not trying to change anybody's mind that likes one brand and not the other.... I'd just like to know what the perceived defects are.


J.C.

Hi J.C.
I am very fond of Taurus, in that they are a very innovative company that provides affordable firearms with a lifetime warranty. I had a Taurus 85 titanium that was better than any of the lightweight carry revolvers that I compared it to, and that included every S&W and Colt I could find, new and used (I tried over 30).
However...the Taurus 94 I bought brand new required warranty work right off the bat. When I went to another reputable forum to chat with other Taurus members, I found that a very large number of them bought new Taurus revolvers that required warranty work, and these were all new guns bought since 2003.
Basically, Taurus designs some excellent guns, and they often turn out an accurate, reliable gun that's better than Smith and Wesson or Colt.
But their reliability record is VERY spotty. Before I owned a few Taurus guns, I thought folks who decried them were "gun snobs". Having owned a few, and owned a few Smith and Wessons, I can honestly say there is no comparison. I think some of the difference comes from lower quality steel and rougher machining, but I can't say for sure.
While you can find an excellent Taurus weapon out there, at a bargain price, you simply are not assured the same level of quality as you are with a Smith and Wesson.
One last thing. Re-sale. With a Smith, you have an investment. With a Taurus, well...not so much.
I'll take a used smith over a Taurus 9 times out of 10...at least.
-David

adaman04
December 13, 2005, 01:07 PM
A used Smith or Ruger is hard to beat for the money. :)

Sport45
December 13, 2005, 01:26 PM
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