England: "Warfare on our streets"


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cuchulainn
January 2, 2003, 09:16 AM
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Warfare on our streets
Jan 2 2003
By Staff Reporter, Evening Mail

Boys barely into their teens are carrying an array of deadly guns after being inspired by a spate of ferocious gun battles on the streets of Birmingham.

Several day-time shootouts have rocked the city in recent months as rival gangs battle for domination of the booming trade in crack cocaine and other hard drugs.

Other gun battles, however, have even been the result of petty arguments and accusations of 'dissing' (disrespectfulness).

During one weekend last month two men were shot dead and a third wounded in three separate shootings.

But police chiefs and criminologists have warned that lads as young as 11 and 12 are now being sucked into a 'Gangsta' lifestyle glamorised by rap music and Hollywood films.

Experts say the explosion of guns on our streets is also due to British 'crews' arming themselves to emulate ruthless 'Yardie' gangsters from Jamaica who now have widespread operations in Birmingham and other UK cities.

The Yardies used their guns to muscle in on the drugs trade more than a decade ago. They came to be stereotyped as driving top-of-the range BMWs, flaunting gold jewel-lery and favouring the terrifying Mach 10 submachine gun, capable of firing 1,200 rounds a minute.

But their presence has led to a new breed of armed British gangsters hooked on the same guns-and-gold lifestyle.

And the Birmingham-born gangsters, dubbed "home-boys" by the police, are increasingly prepared to use their weapons with deadly force as seen in the recent shootouts.

Police launched Operation Ventara last year to combat black-on-black shootings and 'Yardie' crime as well as wider drug dealing, gangland 'turf wars' and other armed criminals.

Detective Inspector Chris Pretty who heads the operation said: "There has certainly been some copycat influence of the Yardies' socalled guns and gold culture.

"What we've seen more recently is that guns have become a fashion accessory for some of the homeboys.

"We are aware of 14-year-olds with guns. It means there are firearms in the hands of very inexperienced criminals.

"They are becoming more ruthless - you have to be ruthless to fire a gun at someone. It is not just a Yardie thing any more.

"The Homeboy gangs originally lived off the scraps of the Yardie drug dealing but have now grown up.

"They've had ten years experience of the culture during which time they have developed an association with firearms and probably successfully walked away from Birmingham Crown Court. They have now established and organised themselves.

"The Homeboys and Yardies don't get on with each other, there are very strong feelings between to the two sides.

"But they do not tend to clash because there is enough space and demand in the drugs market for both of them."

Professor David Wilson, a criminologist at the University of Central England in Perry Barr, said a life of guns and drugs was now an attractive 'career' for many youngsters with little prospects in conventional society.

He said they were out to make as much money as possible in as short a time as possible.

"A gun in their hand gives them a feeling, no matter how fleeting, of power and status," Professor Wilson said.

Community leaders within the city's black neighbourhoods are now becoming increasingly concerned about innocent people being caught and killed in the crossfire if the street gun battles continue.

But the huge amounts of money that can be made from drug dealing continues to fuel the crisis. The lucrative crack market has already produced several teenage millionaires. One recent police operation in London ended with the arrest of a 23-year-old who was found to have assets of more than £2 million, including a West End penthouse flat, a Porsche Boxster, three other sports cars and 26 Rolex watches.

But it is the street soldiers selling drugs for the "Mr Bigs" who are usually the ones involved in the shoot outs.

The risks of such a lifestyle means the average age of death for a gangster is just 35.

Yet there are plenty waiting in the wings to replace them.

According to gang expert Steve Shropshire, children as young as nine are joining violent street gangs and taking part in crimes such as drug dealing, street robbery and even murder.

Mr Shropshire, the co-author of a new report into the phenomenon, said the number of gang members aged under 16 had doubled in the past year.

He said nearly half of all gang murders committed with guns now involved victims under the age of 18 and Birmingham, London and Manchester had the worst problems.

"The gang culture is now tightly linked with gun violence," he added. "Young people are being drawn into the gangs and crews in ever increasing numbers. They are getting younger by the day.

"Many are becoming involved as young as nine or ten. Fifteen and 16-year-olds have been shot and some killed.

"A lot of the older gang members now have kids of their own and they are growing up in homes where the gang lifestyle, including the possession of guns, is normal, even revered."

Mr Shropshire said the youngsters were also heavily influenced by music and films.

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Nanook
January 2, 2003, 10:20 AM
Do you think any gun banners over here are paying attention to stories like this?

Kind of proves the NRA slogan, "When guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns."

Tamara
January 2, 2003, 10:25 AM
This same stuff and worse is happening on the streets of Washington DC, and its gun control laws are pretty much just as strict (or stricter) than England's.

cuchulainn
January 2, 2003, 11:49 AM
Tamara,

England ... Washington, D.C.

One of the grabbers favorite excuses about D.C. is that its gun control would work if only the rest of the U.S. had similar prohibitions ... that D.C.'s gun problem is the fault of "supplier states" with less strict laws.

But England belies that. England is an island. The Chunnel notwithstanding, smuggling a gun into England is not a simple matter of driving to the gun shop in the next state.

KMKeller
January 2, 2003, 11:56 AM
One of the grabbers favorite excuses about D.C. is that its gun control would work if only the rest of the U.S. had similar prohibitions ... that D.C.'s gun problem is the fault of "supplier states" with less strict laws.

And that is what concerns me the most. Sort of a prybar to spreading the cancer to surrounding states.

PATH
January 2, 2003, 11:57 AM
England. A shining example of what gun control will bring!:fire: :cuss:

El Tejon
January 2, 2003, 12:09 PM
Rap music responsible for Ingerish crime? Saw the movie "Sexy Beast" (movie about Ingerish criminals) over the holidays, I recall no rap music.:p

OF
January 2, 2003, 12:14 PM
Good movie.

- Gabe

4v50 Gary
January 2, 2003, 12:37 PM
Where's that grade school girl Melissa when you need her? She was interviewed by the BBC and told them how much safer England is because they don't have guns there. Melissa honey, the gangs in Merry Ole England do have guns and like our gangs here, they shoot and kill each other. Why? Because they're naughty people and government doesn't want to kill them to make folks like you and me safer. Now, go outside and play.

gburner
January 2, 2003, 11:26 PM
Gang Bangers Kiling Each Other???????



DARWIN IN DA HOUSE !!!!!!!!!!:cool:

Redlg155
January 2, 2003, 11:52 PM
The risks of such a lifestyle means the average age of death for a gangster is just 35.

You gotta be kidding me right? They must be "Kindler, Gentler Ganstas". Here in the states a gang banger is lucky to get past their teens before being permanently incarcerated or permanently retired.

I suppose they will pass a law where it is illegal for a criminal to illegaly posses an illegal weapon and break the law even though it is already illegal, therefore making it doubly illegal. So now we double dare you to carry a gun and break the law. :rolleyes:

Good Shooting
RED

Finch
January 3, 2003, 12:13 AM
"We are aware of 14-year-olds with guns. It means there are firearms in the hands of very inexperienced criminals.

Is there a school you attend to get more experience? :D :rolleyes:

Tamara
January 3, 2003, 12:17 AM
Yup. It's called Juvenile Detention Center High. ;)

JPM70535
January 3, 2003, 12:26 AM
I guess this proves that gun control really works, at least from the gang standpoint. They control the guns!

The fundamental flaw with respect to Gun control becomes apparent, it only applies to law abiding citizens, not criminals.

The English police are finding that their officers can no longer do their jobs with just a night stick and a whistle, while th BGs have nothing to fear from the unarmed populace.

The same conditions exist in DC, stringent gun laws,unarmed populace, large well armed gangs.

Gee making a decision about which one I prefer is difficuly. NOT

Lets see..No guns, rampant crime, Lots of guns, low crime

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