Actual Gun Terminolgy vs MEDIA


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Ermac
November 29, 2005, 01:45 PM
saw some of these listed around

Automatic Rifle/Machinegun: Semi Automatic
Semi Automatic: Muzzle loader
Assault Rifle: SKS
Assault Weapon: SKS
AK-47: SKS
High Powered Rifle: Scoped AR-15
High Powered Handgun: Bigger Than .38
Illegally Modified Assault Rifle: Anything that shoots bullets
Armor Piercing Bullets: rifle bullets against pistol caliber rated armor
High-Powered Military Rifle: AR-15/M4gery
Sniper rifle: any rifle, any caliber with a scope on it
Military Sniper Rifle: "" "" and synthetic stock
Banned assault weapon: we are not aware the assault weapon ban expired
Soviet military rifle with no civilian purpose: Nagant
High power German military rifle with no civilian purpose: K98
handgun not detectable by x-ray: Glock
Desert Eagle, Five seveN, S&W 500: anti tank pistols
:cuss:

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mbs357
November 29, 2005, 01:47 PM
Sounds about right.
You forgot that:
Arsena: Any number of guns greater than one (1).

Darth Ruger
November 29, 2005, 01:50 PM
Pro-gun person: Radical/fanatic
Anti-gun celebrities: Role models

Rupestris
November 29, 2005, 01:57 PM
Ammunition Stockpile - 50 rounds of 9mm, 20 rounds of .30-30, and a partially used up brick of .22LR

"Thousands of rounds of ammo" - 4 bricks of .22LR

All shotguns are Sawed-Off to some extent. If not, its a Street Sweeper.

Long Range - Any distance of more than 50 yards.

At close range - Any distence less than 50 yards.

nfl1990
November 29, 2005, 02:36 PM
Assault Rifle: SKS
Assault Weapon: SKS

A .22 w/ large mag would qualify for them espeicially if it has a synthetic stock.

nfl1990
November 29, 2005, 02:37 PM
Assault Weapon: SKS

no rifle/pistol/shotgun/carbine technically qualifies for this as weapon implies intent.

GregGry
November 29, 2005, 02:47 PM
Desert Eagle, Five seveN, S&W 500: anti tank pistols Yep, sounds about right :mad:

MrDig
November 29, 2005, 02:57 PM
By definition a person beating someone with a Baseball Bat is using an assault weapon. All weapons used in an attack are used to assault the victim. Some are also used to Batter the victim, Hence the Legal Terms and Distinctions regarding, Assault, Assault with Intent to do Bodily Harm, and Assault and Battery, and Assault with Intent to Kill.... ad nauseum.
According to the General Media therefore all weapons are assault weapons.
If you are McGyver a ball point pen and a paper clip can be used to assault someone.
No body but No Body ever discusses the danger of "Improvised Munitions"
Like used in Oklahoma but Smiling Bill and the Ms. want to limit the amount of Black Powder I can purchase. And Tell me I have no business owning a decommisioned Military Rifle. The Media simply passes on the misinformation the Hill and Billary wannabes give them.

BigG
November 29, 2005, 03:51 PM
Point blank - less than 3 feet. :uhoh:

Standing Wolf
November 29, 2005, 04:08 PM
Sniper rifle: any long gun with a scope.
Sniper pistol: any hand gun with a scope.
Ideal terrorist weapon: any firearm the leftist extremists happen to hate with special viciousness this week.

nfl1990
November 29, 2005, 04:17 PM
Ideal terrorist weapon: any firearm the leftist extremists happen to hate with special viciousness this week.

That would be all of them, no?

Old Dog
November 29, 2005, 04:18 PM
Let's not forget the one most commonly used phrase by the media regarding firearms:

"The gun went off."

Never, "Then, Smith shot Jones." Or "Then, Smith pulled the trigger, discharging a round, which went into Jones."

We are all so used to the media not understanding the actually names, designations, terminology, etc., regarding guns. But when, oh when, will media figure out that guns don't just go off? ...

Creeping Incrementalism
November 29, 2005, 04:26 PM
We are all so used to the media not understanding the actually names, designations, terminology, etc., regarding guns. But when, oh when, will media figure out that guns don't just go off? ...

The lamestream media really knows nothing about anything except for politics and celebtrity gossip. You just don't realize it except with something you know well, such as guns.

jsalcedo
November 29, 2005, 04:47 PM
Shotgun: Anything with a stock

Rifle: Anything with a stock

.30 cal shotgun: Anything with a stock

Arsenal: 2 BBguns and a starters pistol

Berek
November 29, 2005, 05:25 PM
My favorite was hearing about the "308 guage shotgun" that someone used. Just how small would that be? Would that be like shooting #8 with the pellets lined up in a row???

Morons.

Berek

Oldtimer
December 1, 2005, 10:36 AM
Better yet....what you will NEVER hear/see from the news media regarding firearms:

"Recreational" guns
"Self defense" firearms
"Home defense" weapons
"Personal security" guns
"Civilian-only" weapons
The "choice" firearm of HUNTERS
The "choice" firearms of TARGET SHOOTERS
Firearms that are "NOT AS DEADLY" than others
"UNSAFE" or "SAFE" firearms

It's not JUST the media! Many of our elected government officials have caused gun hysteria!

U.S. Senator Dianne Finestein: (Holding up a semi-auto, legal-to-own, AK-47 during one of her many "photo op" sessions, the Senator CLEARLY informed the audience that it was a SEMI-auto rifle before raising the volume and tone of her voice as she exclaimed, "MACHINEGUNS such as this need to be BANNED!")

Former U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno: (During a Congressional sub-committee hearing on "assault weapons", she declared that, "Assault weapons are MORE DEADLY than other types of firearms!"

Another female "representative" (Sorry, but I don't recall who it was) stated that the .50 BMG could fire "heat-seeking" bullets!

It's a wonder that no one in the media or government have said that the so-called "assault"-type weapons were NUCLEAR!

One particular Los Angeles newspaper splashed their front-page headline with "Downtown restaurant sprayed by assault weapon". In reading the article, however, there were a few discrepancies.
#1: Yes, a shooting HAD occurred at a downtown restaurant, BUT the "spray" consisted of 3 rounds that went through a window. #2: The 3 rounds were recovered from an interior wall, and appeared to be 9mm bullets. #3: NO suspects were seen, and the weapon(s) that were fired were NOT seen. #4: No one was injured, even from the window glass. It was just "handy" to report that an "assault weapon" had been used!

So much for "investigative reporting"! I'm sure that that flashy headline sold a few more newspapers!

Mr_Moore
December 1, 2005, 10:53 AM
[B]"Thousands of rounds of ammo" - 4 bricks of .22LR




LOL I have thought of that myself after I purchased 4 bricks at a good price (about $8.00 each) I was thinking of all the times I heard "Thousands of rounds of ammo" and thought, now that's ME!

BigG
December 1, 2005, 10:57 AM
Arsenal one long gun and one handgun with a box and a half of ammunition. ;)

cuervo
December 1, 2005, 11:35 AM
The latest trend I've noticed, as Berek mentions, is to include the caliber of the gun used with no idea of what they're saying.

One report I saw talked about the .357 Magnum semiautomatic used in a local shooting. Now, granted this is possible, but really, really, unlikely.

Henry Bowman
December 1, 2005, 11:51 AM
Which brings up . . .

Magnum = (implies) unnecessarily powerful

Tequila_Sauer
December 1, 2005, 11:59 AM
"Another female "representative" (Sorry, but I don't recall who it was) stated that the .50 BMG could fire "heat-seeking" bullets!"

Really? Does anyone have a direct quote of this? Seems like it'd be great fodder for the NRA. Any report of a Representative claiming .50's also fire those cartoon bullets with the Western accents that Eddie Valiant fires in Who Framed Roger Rabbit?

Henry Bowman
December 1, 2005, 12:06 PM
It was Carolyn McCarthy of NY. Search her name in this forum or L&P. There is an audio clip of her saying it.

1911Tuner
December 1, 2005, 12:41 PM
The latest trend I've noticed, as Berek mentions, is to include the caliber of the gun used with no idea of what they're saying.

One report I saw talked about the .357 Magnum semiautomatic used in a local shooting. Now, granted this is possible, but really, really, unlikely.

One of my favorites was in a news clipping that I read once...many moons ago. I believe it went something like:

"The victim was shot numerous times by a .380 caliber magnum automatic revolver."

(Shot by a weapon the likes of which has never been seen at the SHOT show...and it did it all by itself! (Collectors...The bidding starts at one million dollars!):rolleyes:

I thought...To hell with the details. I'd like to have a look at that gun!

Runner up was the one about the ".9mm magnum assault pistol." (That's point nine mike-mike) Talk about bein' able to tote a buncha ammo! (But the clips would be a mite tricky to load, methinks)

Berek
December 1, 2005, 03:27 PM
Runner up was the one about the ".9mm magnum assault pistol." (That's point nine mike-mike) Talk about bein' able to tote a buncha ammo! (But the clips would be a mite tricky to load, methinks)

Naw. You load it like a mechanical pencil. I seen 'em I done did. :D

Berek

Creeping Incrementalism
December 1, 2005, 03:33 PM
The latest trend I've noticed, as Berek mentions, is to include the caliber of the gun used with no idea of what they're saying.

One report I saw talked about the .357 Magnum semiautomatic used in a local shooting. Now, granted this is possible, but really, really, unlikely.

Was the Desert Eagle or any Wildey's ever made in that caliber?

mbs357
December 1, 2005, 03:34 PM
Here's another.
Calling magazines 'clips'.
:evil:

Steamship Trooper
December 1, 2005, 03:58 PM
Sometimes you can turn it around :)

I bought my first CMP M-1 a few years ago. The lady at the Mailbox's Etc. wondered what would come in such an odd package.

This being San Antonio, TX, I opened it up and showed her. She turned pale.

Not the reaction I was expecting. Hmm.

"What's wrong?"
"That's a gun!!"
"Yes, it is. This is an M-1 Garand. Ever see the movie Saving Private Ryan?"
"Guns Kill People!!"
"No, darlin'. People do. Guns are tools. And answer my question: ever see Saving Private Ryan, or Band of Brothers?"
"Yes."
"Well, were those bad men?"
"No, they wern't"
"Darlin, this is what they carried. Your Grandaddy's 'assault rifle', and a bit of history."

Fast forward three weeks.

"Still have that gun?"
"Of course. I try to shoot it every weekend."
"My uncle was in Korea. I didn't know until I mentioned your gun..."

Fast forward two more weeks-

"Can I go shooting, just so I can learn?"

As far as I know, she still has the SP 101 she fell in love with a little later on. :)

The anti's can take our language: we can take theirs >:)

slopemeno
December 1, 2005, 04:25 PM
Thats the truth. I live in about as liberal a place as you can find, and if I'm at a party with friends it'll usually slip out that I'm a shooter. Invariably-the same thing happens: tut tut guns are bad...pause.. where uh, where do you shoot them? How often.. (wait for it) Can I tag along next time you shoot?
Never fails. They are out there waiting to be converted.

jsalcedo
December 1, 2005, 04:37 PM
Desert Eagle and the Coonan

MachIVshooter
December 1, 2005, 10:37 PM
Was the Desert Eagle or any Wildey's ever made in that caliber?

The Desert Eagle was, and is, available in .357 magnum. So was the Coonan Arms "1911". I think the Wildey only came in their proprietary cartridges and .45 win mag.

Most in the media woulldn't understand cartridge nomenclature and what it entails if you smashed the headstamp into their forehead and laid out the entire history of said cartridge, along with a "ballistics for dummies" book.

coylh
December 1, 2005, 10:56 PM
Saturday Night Special: Pistol owned by a black man.
Silencer: Anything on the end of the barrel.
Armor Piercing Bullet: FMJ.
Deadly Bullet: HP.
Cop Killer Bullet: != .22LR.
Vigilante: Applied for permit after being mugged and beaten.
Reasonable legislation: Concealed carry permit.
Reasonable legislation: Gun database.
Reasonable legislation: Gun owner database.
Reasonable legislation: One gun a month.
Reasonable legislation: Confiscation.

Elmer Snerd
December 1, 2005, 11:45 PM
I seem to remember a thread here about a media reference to a ".12 gauge shotgun". Someone worked out the bore size of a .12 gauge, it was somewhere in the "pieces of your shoulder will land in the next county" range.

"Assault Weapon": Anything even vaguely resembling an AK or AR.
"Arsenal": A shotgun and two rifles.
"Survivalist": Anyone with a box of MREs in the basement.
"Right-Wing Gun Nut": NRA member.
"Paranoid": Anyone who is even vaguely concerned about civil rights going down the tubes.
"Sniper Rifle": Any scoped rifle.
"High-Powered Rifle": Any centerfire rifle.

sm
December 1, 2005, 11:59 PM
Military-Like:Non-Serf

Surveillance.:Safety.


Yeah I like it when the Media says: Person was "caught" on surveillance tape, .... If the person was "caught" how come they flash a number for serfs to call in if they see this person. Whaddya mean Person has not been "apprehended" yet.? Oh I know we are supposed to throw more money into Surveillance cameras that do the apprehending part...

How about the surveillance camera catches a person in military like pants? Is this good, bad or depends on slow news day?

Hearing Sheep gasp upon seeing Milsurps for sale in the paper...must be evil, being Military-like and all...

Note: During semester we viewed real time use of surveillance cameras , such as one in a elderly ladies birdhouse across the street from a park where "activity" was known to happen. LEO sits behind monitor at station. If camera gives a suspicious look [ military like pants] he calls units to head to park.

Oh the community is eating this up. They feel safer...they want to spend more big bucks on these to be safe.
'The UK is doing it - look how much safer they are"

Me and another student had to go out and smoke, lest we start choking other classmates with Cat 5e ...folks really scare me at times...

Subby
December 2, 2005, 12:42 AM
Hunter=someone that shoots animals, as in "An unknown hunter shot farmer Brown's cow. The cow is expected to survive."

I especially love when they interview a witness to a crime on TV. Numerous "ak-47" and ".357" references. I mean, if an unidentified car tried to hit me, and I reported it to the police, I'd say it was a car, not a "Shelby Mustang" or an "AC Cobra."

Sub

MikeIsaj
December 2, 2005, 10:59 PM
In the past year I've made the aquaintance of a local reporter and now columnist. She is very liberal, knows of my interest in firearms and we've had many rational discussions. She has come to a much better understanding of firearms. Eventually I will get her to the range with me but, in the meantime she will call me to make sure she gets the terminology right. She knows she will hear from me if she gets it wrong.

Changing minds one at a time.

GoBrush
December 3, 2005, 09:19 AM
I think you pretty well nailed it. They never get any other facts right no reason to start with the truth now. The only gun related stories you hear are the ones about the latest murderer in the city. Never about the CCW holder that protected his/her family.

Who needs news when there is THR:D

williamlayton
December 3, 2005, 10:07 AM
Most would believe without being coerced:
Gun-nut--A person whose sole sexual based experience is related to a weapon.
He/She is actually looking for a legal opportunity to kill or maim some with a weapon.
Are demented, ill-educated, tobacco chewing, beer swilling, toothless wonders with no self-esteem, seeking a sexual high by touching and fondeling a gun.
In dire need of counciling.
Have need to be detained, branded, property properly identifed by warning signs.
Are people who are looking for an opportunity to or would support the overthrow of the government.
Cannot carry on a meaningful conversation about any subject that will not detonate an explosive device.
Have their soul existance defined by the fact that they were once in the military and were taught how to kill someone.
Well, I have never met one of these but I suspect they do exist.
Blessings

X Who
December 3, 2005, 11:02 AM
Cheap You can afford it.
Easily concealed It fits in your garage.
High power More than a spitwad blown through a straw.
Sniper Rifle Any gun with sights.
Arsenal More than one gun.
Huge quantity of ammo More than one box.
Armor piercing It'll penetrate one layer of denim.

The news is like Hollywood. They write the story to excite the audience, not to convey facts or represent reality.

.12 gauge shotgun? The ball that fits the bore is over 8 pounds.

mike40-11
December 3, 2005, 11:04 AM
wouldn't understand cartridge nomenclature if you smashed the headstamp into their forehead
And even if it wouldn't help, it would be fun!:evil:

jtward01
December 3, 2005, 01:46 PM
The lamestream media really knows nothing about anything except for politics and celebtrity gossip. You just don't realize it except with something you know well, such as guns.

True, unfortunately. I worked as a reporter for about 15 years, and as a group they are intelligent and eager to learn. But most general assisgnment and police beat reporters are relatively young, products of the suburbs and liberal arts colleges and have had little if any experience with firearms. Most of their knowledge about guns comes from TV, movies and what the police tell them, and we all know that cops are all gun experts, right?

Fortunately, not all reporters fit this mold. At every paper where I worked there would be at least a handful of hunters/shooters, and we constantly tried to educate the others by inviting them to go shooting with us. Some did, some didn't, but most who did seemed to enjoy it.

Trust me, firearms isn't the only subject where most reporters are weak. Just ask any pilot. Tell a reporter the plane stalled and he'll write that the engine quit. Tell him the engine quit and he'll write that the plane fell from the sky. Any unscheduled precautionary landing becomes an emergency landing. (For you non-pilots, when talking about an aircraft the word "stall" is an aerodynamic term meaning the wing (or rotor) loses lift and is unable to support the weight of the aircraft. An aircraft can stall by either flying too slowly, or by increasing the angle of the wing to the point where the air no longer flows smoothly over the wing. Various things, including ice or damage can effect either the speed, or the angle of attack, at which the wing stalls.)

Reporters have a tough job. They're asked to write about a variety of topics, many of which they're not very familiar with. At my last job we were expected to write 10 stories a week. That doesn't sound like much until you break it down. That's two a day, or one every four hours. Take away the time spent in staff meetings, the time spent traveling to and from the assignment location, the hours spent sitting through town council meetings and chamber of commerce lunches and the time spent actually writing the stories and it doesn't leave much time for researching a topic with which you're not familiar. Frankly, it's a miracle they make so few mistakes.

The shooting industry needs to take a page from the aviation industry's play book. Several years ago the General Aviation Manufacturer's Association (GAMA) launched a program which encouraged flight schools, charter operators and even individual aircraft owners to invite reporters from their local papers and TV stations to go for free airplane rides. GAMA provided educational handouts the reporters could take with them and refer back to when they were assigned an aviation story. The handouts included the names and phone numbers of industry experts the reporters could call for a quote or an explanation of something they didn't understand.

No reason the NSSF, NRA and other firearms groups can't sponsor a similar program and invite reporters to the range for a little hands on experience with a variety of firearms. The ammo mfgs. could supply some free ammo, the NRA the educational handouts, etc. It would go a long way toward de-demonizing guns in the eyes of many journalists.

jtward01
December 3, 2005, 02:04 PM
Several folks have posted various sarcastic definitions of "high-powered rifle," but I wonder, is there some official definition?

How do you decide what is high-powered, and what is not? Is it based on foot pounds of energy? Muzzle velocity? Caliber?

If you base it on caliber is a .50 cal Hawken high-powered?

If you base it on muzzle velocity is a .17HMR high-powered?

Heck, I grew up in a family of hunters and shooters and to me anything larger than .22lr was a high-powered rifle.

Too Many Choices!?
December 3, 2005, 03:09 PM
How bout if it will do a level III vest with plates, then that is,"High Power"...
And high power compared to what? If pistol ammo, then all center fire rifle ammo is,"High Power".:uhoh:

rick newland
December 3, 2005, 04:44 PM
I actually received a reply back from a news reporter. Now I admit my email wasnt the greatest drinking boubon at the time I wrote it and sent it.

Mr. Newland -- Thanks very much for writing, and for sharing your
thoughts.
You make some excellent points, which I'll be sure to incorporate into
my
next story on the topic.

Sincerely,

Sam Skolnik



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Sam Skolnik
Reporter
Seattle Post-Intelligencer
phone: (206) 448-8334
fax: (206) 448-8166
email: samskolnik@seattlepi.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Newland [mailto:kubi85@yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 2:57 PM
To: samskolnik@seattlepi.com
Subject: Please Sam


if you are going to write about guns do yourself and
your paper a favor and learn something about them.

"Maldonado fired a semi-automatic assault rifle that
used 7.62 mm bullets, Sorensen said -- possibly an
AK-47 -- as well as a high-capacity, semi-automatic
machine pistol. Neither weapon, unless it has been
converted to fully automatic, would be inherently
illegal to own, he said." There is no such thing as a
semi-automatic assault weapon. An assualt weapon
shoots both semi and full auto. Maldonado carried a
CZ-75 semi-automatic 9mm pistol. There are only two
companies that currently make full auto machine
pistols and that is Glock in Thier model 18 and
Beretta that makes a full auto version of their model
92. Rick






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pax
December 3, 2005, 05:02 PM
Steamship Trooper ~

Excellent post. (Go back and read it, everyone!)

jtward01 ~

Even better. :) Welcome to THR.

pax

jtward01
December 3, 2005, 06:21 PM
How bout if it will do a level III vest with plates, then that is,"High Power"...
And high power compared to what? If pistol ammo, then all center fire rifle ammo is,"High Power".:uhoh:


Exactly my point. If we can't define exactly what a high-powered rifle is then we sure can't criticize the media when they use it in a context with which we don't agree.

Personally, I consider the .223/5.56 a high-powered cartridge because of the energy it imparts to the target. It may be small and light, but that bullet is moving awfully fast and hits pretty damned hard.

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