[Giolli Joker]

Beretta Rx4 (http://www.armietiro.it/edisport/armi/Notizie.nsf/AllDocID/IA06947FEFCE27378C12570C3004735E1?OpenDocument) cal. .223 Remington (also called Benelli Mr1).
It's based on the Benelli R1 gas operated system and it can feed from standard NATO magazines.
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=31949&stc=1&d=1133296743
I don't know when it 'll reach U.S. market.... what do you think about it?

[HighVelocity]

What exactly are "standard nato magazines?" :confused:

If you mean standard AR15/M16 mags then that's great. I have a CX4 carbine in 9mm and it's a lot of fun. Very accurate and totally reliable. I'll take a good look at this Rx4 when/if it is released in the US. Looks good.

[modifiedbrowning]

I don't know when it 'll reach U.S. market.... what do you think about it?
Wow, Beretta has outdone themselves. They've managed to create a gun even uglier than their Storm carbine or Storm pistol.:evil:

[Kurush]

ATF doesn't usually allow guns that accept hi-cap mags to be imported. I think it looks like the mutant offspring of a Mossberg and a CX4.

ETA: Ahem, I read the original post again. I guess I should say it looks like the mutant offspring of a BENELLI and a CX4 instead :)

[Giolli Joker]

What exactly are "standard nato magazines?" :confused:

If you mean standard AR15/M16 mags then that's great.
I mean standard AR15/M16 mags.;)

[50 Freak]

Kinda ugly....:rolleyes:

[MatthewVanitas]

If only we could send this thread back in time to THR readers of 2003...

The NFA itself doesn't look so tough these days...

[TMM]

damn!! looks awesome. i'd love to own one.

~TMM

[The Drew]

It certainly looks better with the stock collapsed...

I think if the price is in the $600 range and it is a reliable rifle, I might buy one...

Cause if it costs any more than that... why buy this when you can get an AR?

[Rupestris]

It certainly looks better with the stock collapsed...

I think if the price is in the $600 range and it is a reliable rifle, I might buy one...

Cause if it costs any more than that... why buy this when you can get an AR?


ditto.
I can get over the look if the price is right.

Ergonomics can make up for ugly when it comes to rifles. The Browning Buckmark rifle is butt fugly IMO, but it fits nice.
I never found the AR to be all that sexy anyway.

http://www.armietiro.it/edisport/armi/Notizie.nsf/AllDocID/a06947fefce27378c12570c3004735e1/$FILE/Rx4_800.jpg

the short bbl helps.

EDIT:Notice how the comb height changes when the stock is adjusted. Shouldn't the comb stay the same?

[atblis]

You can forget about the $600 thing.

[Zundfolge]

If it doesn't cost less than an AR15 than its useless ... if it is less than an AR then I'd hate to be the boys over at KelTec when this thing hits the shops.

[HighVelocity]

Her finger is on the trigger. :banghead:

[dakotasin]

what do you think about it?



wow! holy buckets! i cannot remember when i last saw a gun so repulsive that not even a mother could love it! but today is a day that will live in infamy...

wouldn't hurt my feelings one bit if it never made it to the u.s.

[pauli]

good god that's ugly. if there weren't obvious evidence to the contrary, i'd swear it was a photochop of about three different rifles and at least one shotgun.

[EmGeeGeorge]

Edited to remove non-High Road comment.

[dracphelan]

I know the quality will be better, but it reminds me of a Hi Point carbine. If I'm paying Beretta prices, I want a better looking rifle.

[IrvJr]

I kinda like it too, even though it has sort of a weird organic shape to it. If it's reliable, reasonably accurate, and not too expensive I would be interested in it. It looks even better with the Italian spokesmodel holding it (even if her finger is on the trigger)!

[Sactown]

OMG!! My eyes, my eyes!!! That's seriously freakish looking. Doesn't flow at all!! Dang, just take parts of other guns and throw them in the blender!!

I'd still buy it though, but it would need a non-pistol grip.

[ZenMasterJG]

Looks like theres some weird doohicky on the front of the triggerguard.

... That or the triggerguard is just butt-ugly.

[boxcab]

I like the look, not as nice as the Cx4 Storm though.

-Boxcab

[Harry Tuttle]

the top image has what looks like a US legal 16 inch barrel
and Beretta is in Maryland building pistols...

that thing is quite hideous,
i'm sure it freaks Sarah & Diane out more than it bothers us.
And thats a good thing!

[Raygun]

So what does the "x4" mean here? In the two pistol caliber platforms, it was supposed to signify compatibility with four different cartridges (9x19mm, .357 SIG, .40 S&W and .45 ACP, presumably). Does the Rx4 follow the same idea? If so, with which cartridges?

Gah, the thing is difficult to look at for very long.

[MDG1976]

http://www.armietiro.it/edisport/armi/Notizie.nsf/AllDocID/a06947fefce27378c12570c3004735e1/$FILE/Rx4_800.jpg

Ugly???
This thing is very nice looking. How many ARs do we need anyway?

[english kanigit]

Absolutely fugly! No soul, kinda like a block... :scrutiny:




I WILL take the booth babe though. :evil:

[R.W.Dale]

Are looks all that figure in on ya'lls choice in rifles?? Think about it,If this rifle works on the same principal as Beretta's shotguns that means they have possibly prefected a RECOIL OPERATED assult rifle. Imagine no gas system to screw up or have to clean simplicity at it's best. I would bet money that the rifle that the lovely young lady is holding will be Beretta's entry into the new round bidding coming up for the armys next rifle platform.

[Harry Tuttle]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/CatoY2k/RX4_close.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/CatoY2k/RX4_left.jpg

http://www.khs-industries.com/community/thread.php?threadid=1804

[GunnySkox]

I dunno 'bout the rest of y'all, but not only do I like the cut of its jib, I likes the looks of it, too! Looks a little skeevy with the stock extended, but so do AR collapsible stocks, and the Benelli M4/M1014 stock, etc.. The front-end looks cool.

I hope they'll be able to import it proper-like.

~GnSx

[cracked butt]

As much as other people hate the looks of it, I love the way it looks. I would be the person to buy one if I had the extra money lying around, of course I also want a CX$ Storm as well.

[Raygun]

Are looks all that figure in on ya'lls choice in rifles?? Think about it,If this rifle works on the same principal as Beretta's shotguns that means they have possibly prefected a RECOIL OPERATED assult rifle. Imagine no gas system to screw up or have to clean simplicity at it's best.
It's gas operated. Here (http://www.benelliusa.com/firearms/r1-comfortech.tpl).

[Zundfolge]

I love it...someone makes something new and different and y'all come out of the woodwork with complaints about how "ugly" and "spacegun/toy" looking it is ... but if Beretta went out and built their own AR or FAL or some other standard design y'all would be complaining "Oh boy, just what the world needs another clone of X gun!"

:rolleyes: :neener:



I like the looks of it ... I would prefer it to look more like the original Storm, but its nice to see someone thinking "outside the box" instead of just building another clone of something old.

I just expect 2 problems with this gun:
1) it will have to be built stateside or have to change the mag system to accept only proprietary 10 round mags so it can meet that stupid "Sporting Clause" (probably get stuck with a non collapsing thumb hole stock too).
2) No way Beretta is going to price this thing to compete with the SU-16...its going to cost as much as a RRA AR-15.

[SpookyPistolero]

I like it actually. If it is reliable, I hope it does great over here. I would eventually consider one if they offered it in something larger than 5.56.

[CBX]

i really need to move out of california :banghead:

[Number 6]

i really need to move out of california

I am not so sure that a California legal version would be difficult at all. It looks like the pistol grip and the stock can be easily replaced with a standard stock. If so then this could be the rifle that California residents have been asking for.

[MachIVshooter]

I know the quality will be better, but it reminds me of a Hi Point carbine. If I'm paying Beretta prices, I want a better looking rifle.

Like the banned AR-70, perhaps.

Other posts pretty much nailed i: Cx4, Benelli shotgun, Microwave.

Kinda like the new Chevy HHR: what you get when a Chevy Astro and a Chrysler PT Cruiser forget to use protection.

[Otony]

"I am not so sure that a California legal version would be difficult at all. It looks like the pistol grip and the stock can be easily replaced with a standard stock. If so then this could be the rifle that California residents have been asking for."

+1:D

A very easy to build for California rifle, just sub in the R1 stock!!

I would buy it.

[swingset]

Lots of good, functional, tested guns are FUGLY.

Form follows function, unless all you are is a range fashion queen....in which case I don't care what you buy, it's not like it's for shooting.

I like it, but I don't know how they'll get it here unless it's imported neutered and assembled with US parts to make it compliant. I HIGHLY doubt it will be 100% US made.

So, either they do a 922 dance to get it to US Civilians, or they sell it LEO only and we never see it.....or worse we only see a neutered version.

[thereisnospoon]

I can't believe everone is saying this is ugly and that ARs are nice looking...ARs are valuable because they are accurate and extremely functional ergonomically, not because they look pretty. If this things works well, is accurate and is reasonably priced, why not?

Pretty is an M1A in a tiger striped stock, NOT an AR

Wonder if they'll make it in 7.62X51 or another real caliber?:neener:

[Preacherman]

I like Glocks - but if you think this is ugly, wait until you see the Glock carbine that's allegedly coming out next year... :D

[Harry Tuttle]

sometimes "ugly" is a instinctive reaction to something that is disfunctional.

The way the comb height changes as the stock is adjusted
would make a repeatable sight picture/zero an "interesting" endeavor.

[trueblue1776]

I love it, put me down for one, I think the gas system is top notch!

[BryanP]

With the short barrel and the stock collapsed I think it's quite attractive.

The longer barrel and the stock extended with that stupid looking bar ... eh. That's one where I'd consider paying an SBR tax.

[jobu07]

I think it's great we are getting some variety out there.

[Beav]

I don't quite like the way the adjustable stock looks but I do like variety and if this rifle delivers at a reasonable price then I'd be interested.

[Pilot]

Absolutely fugly! No soul, kinda like a block... :scrutiny:

I WILL take the booth babe though. :evil:

My thoughts exactly. It seems Beretta, in an effort to remove all military looking nuances to the rifle, made it into a plastic ray gun that Mattel, Hasbro and Coleco would be proud.

[Giolli Joker]

I'd still buy it though, but it would need a non-pistol grip.
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=32004&stc=1&d=1133385397

[Harry Tuttle]

someone has access to Berretta images that i can't google up

:)

heres a photochop of what the other configs will look like:
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=32008&stc=1&d=1133387140

[Giolli Joker]

someone has access to Berretta images that i can't google up
I've just taken them from this forum (http://www.armimagazine.it/forum/index.php/topic,2369.0.html).;)

[otomik]

I'll take one in .243 Win that takes FAL or M14 Mags please. Benelli's already got a version that fires .308, we just need some new tactical guigaro furniture basically.

[Matthew748]

Yikes! I just cannot get into these new types of rifles. The FAL is about as futuristic looking as I'll go.

[GunnySkox]

*stares momentarily at a picture of a Benelli R1, then back at a picture of the Rx4*

The Rx4 takes AR-15 mags in that extended magwell off the bottom of what appears to be an R1 receiver (duh). I assume that doomaflopper at the front of the trigger guard on the R1 is its magazine release catch (which I assume, in the case of the Rx4, has something . If all this madness is true, in theory, one could design many different kinds of Magwells to fit the R1 / Rx4 to accept different kinds of magazines for the various calibers for which the R1 is chambered.

So, assuming the R1/Rx4 is a tough, reliable rifle (and for its pretty reasonable MSRP), the R1 could make an acceptable modern MBR (I recall sometime in the past, someone had a Remington 7400/7600 or something set up as close to "tacticool" as he could get in Cali, which is the kind of think I'm talkin' about here) with a magwell that takes magazines of reasonable capacity, and the Rx4 (assuming it is reasonably priced) would make a good carbine/light rifle companion..

Don't mind me, I don't think I have.. a.. face.

~GnSx

[carebear]

Comparing the extended collapsible stock in the pictures to the two fixed, I'm thinking this isn't designed to be adjusted per se, just shortened for storage or transport. Not with that inch of comb drop, as a couple guys have pointed out. No repeatable eye position there.

[Boe]

I think it looks like a great idea. Beretta is really kicking pluggin along now. If they were to come out with this rifle in a deer legal caliber, my AR would be down the road in a heartbeat to find this unit. (disclaimer: in my state, the AR is not a legal deer caliber either)

-Boe

[Father Knows Best]

Think about it,If this rifle works on the same principal as Beretta's shotguns that means they have possibly prefected a RECOIL OPERATED assult rifle. Imagine no gas system to screw up or have to clean simplicity at it's best.

Um, somebody already perfected the RECOIL OPERATED battle rifle almost 60 years ago. It goes by various names, such as CETME, G3, HK91, PTR-91, etc. Indeed, it has no gas cylinder or pistol to clean, no gas vented into the action (like the AR) to muck things up. As you say, "simplicity at its best."

[kentucky_smith]

*stares momentarily at a picture of a Benelli R1, then back at a picture of the Rx4*




You beat me to it. Available in 30/06 and 300 mag


http://www.benelliusa.com/firearms/images/r1-comfortech-full-large.jpg


http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=32008&stc=1&d=1133387140

[GunnySkox]

Well, I mean, didn't someone say before that it's some kind of joint thing between Benelli and Beretta, or that the Rx4 uses the Benelli's gas system (implied cooperation, I think)? Either way, it's pretty hot.

~GnSx
I am a banana!

[Skunkabilly]

Beretta + .223 + straight stock = Cauleefornia legal?

Bye bye Ruger.

[berettashotgun]

Beretta shotguns= GAS operated. Except the pintail and the 1200/1201 models. That rifle is dog turd ugly. It's hideous. Compared to a sack full of cat rectums, it loses by virtue of ugliness. I want one:evil:

[max popenker]

So, what we need is the R1 adapted to M14 mags in .308 and to BAR M1918 mags in .30-06... ;)

[enichols]

Skunky:

Beretta + .223 + straight stock = Cauleefornia legal?

Bye bye Ruger.

AMEN!!!!!!!

[HankB]

if there weren't obvious evidence to the contrary, i'd swear it was a photochop of about three different rifles and at least one shotgun.+1 on that.

If it's CHEAP (MSRP in the $500 range, more or less) it will do well, and clobber KelTec, Ruger, and some of the cheaper AR clones.

If MSRP is up around $900, it will only be purchased by the guy who has to have something different.

Unless it's built in the USA, or has the requisite number of US parts, I see it as a marketing failure in the post-AWB world . . . with a short 16" barrel, it needs a flash hider, and thanks to 922(r) an import can't have one.

[KadicDeshi]

So, what we need is the R1 adapted to M14 mags in .308

Abso-friggin-lutely. With that, the optional stocks shown, and a price tag more reasonable than SA's M1As, I'd give serious thought to owning one.

Barrett

[patrol120]

I personally like the rifle. I, however, am still hoping Remington will build a police version of their auto rifle similar to the pumpgun they build now.

[MatthewVanitas]

If it's the same receiver as the R1, then it is a bit over-built for .223, no?

If the thing can chamber 30-06, then that's a whole lot of extra receiver length/weight when you're firing .223

Still, I think it looks cool, and far be it from me to complain about any manufacturer offering more EBRs in the States.

-MV

[Dr.Rob]

That stock (in all 3 versions) is just wierd looking... I don't doubt it's a good shooter.

[Vern Humphrey]

I don't know when it 'll reach U.S. market.... what do you think about it?
Wow, Beretta has outdone themselves. They've managed to create a gun even uglier than their Storm carbine or Storm pistol.:evil:

The famous 19th Century yacht designer, L. Francis Herrishof, "The Wizard of Bristol," once looked at a yacht designed by a competitor and said, "That looks like frozen snot."

I can't top that.:p

[Double Naught Spy]

ATF doesn't usually allow guns that accept hi-cap mags to be imported.

The CX4 Storm is imported and accepts high cap mags.

I don't get the collapsing stock. The further pulled out it is, the lower your head goes. In other words, the further back, the more your eyes drop below the sight radius.

[atomchaser]

Very sexy and Italian looking... the chick that is. The rifle on the other hand ought to be called "Frankin-retta".

[natedog]

Sweet. It looks awesome from this angle. Too bad they dropped the ambidextriousness of the Cx4. I wonder how the weight is? Quite a bit of plastic in there...is the receiver on the R1 steel or aluminum?

http://carlos.excaliba.de/Milipol_2005/MP05_Beretta_Rx4_left.jpg

[natedog]

On second look, that stock definetly needs to be straighter. OK for a shotgun to drop like that I suppose, not cool for a rifle.

[Harry Tuttle]

The Benelli Argo rifle that this is based on is ~1100-1300 bucks
http://www.benelli.it/Images/Image.asp?ID=774
some potentially interesting observations

the Benelli action is set up for 30.06, 300Win mag, & .308

in 30.06 it has an available detachable 10 round magazine.

caliber changes are a bolt & barell assembly swap

wood furniture is an option

theres a 3d model here
http://www.benelli.it/Prodotti/SchedaProdotto.asp?Lan=EN&IDTipo=1&PathID=136.67.113

[atblis]

In 308 using existing mags (Preferably G3 or FAL). That I might actually buy. In 223, forget it.

[Kestryll]

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=32008&stc=1&d=1133387140

The middle one with the standard stock would be a dream gun here in the PRK!
Actually I like the look of it without the pistol grip.

[armoredman]

The one in the middle I could live with two, but with a Berreta usual price tag, (wanna bet $1500 to start?), I guess I'll stick with trying to get an SKS....

[outofbattery]

Looks like an ACF556 and MP5 hybrid to me.I sort of like it but I also think the Beretta 9000 is a great looking pistol and that you can't get much uglier than the compact 1911's or mall ninja AR15.I'm not sure there's even much of a market for this but wait until pictures of it with plasma beams and flyswatters mounted to them come out and everybody will want one.

[KaceCoyote]

And what does this do that a SU-16 cant? This is a Beretta guys, its not gonna be 500 bucks.

[atblis]

As has been said, If they chamber it in something more interesting than 223, it may have a chance. Otherwise, no way in hell!

[Kestryll]

And what does this do that a SU-16 cant?

Well for one thing I would be willing to buy the Beretta.

[atek3]

that "thing" is way fugly

[rockstar.esq]

I think the "middle" stock option was actually quite attractive. The collapsable is an afront to good design functionally and aestetically. My vain hope is that Beretta will design all the parts then Taurus will make one of equal quality at a price that is reasonable. As for the caliber, here's hoping for a .308Win. I'm not sure why the Kel-tec is getting brought up so much given that Ruger has made their ranch rifles for quite some time now and they aren't exactly burning their way off of the dealers shelves.

[swingset]

My vain hope is that Beretta will design all the parts then Taurus will make one of equal quality at a price that is reasonable.

Not going to happen. Taurus and Beretta have no connection anymore, at one time they produced 92 actions FOR Beretta, and after splitting their 92 was changed to its own action, although similar it is not a Beretta at all.

There's no way Taurus will infringe on Beretta's copyright on a brand new rifle and produce clones of it.

[Headless Thompson Gunner]

How/when do we find out what it will cost?

And hows about the controls? If it's egonomic, and reasonably afordable, I would definitely consider it. Even if it is hideous. I figure my tatrgets won't care what my gun looks like...

[Seraph]

That thing is truly hideous, but, since bad taste is never in short supply, it might be salable.

[GW]

Now that SHOT show has passed is there any word as to availability and price?

[Number 6]

Now that SHOT show has passed is there any word as to availability and price?

The number I have heard people talk about is around $960 MSRP, so retail should be a bit less. I have no idea whether this is true or not, but this is what people have posted on message boards that claimed to have talked to the Beretta reps.

[crazed_ss]

The middle one with the standard stock would be a dream gun here in the PRK!
Actually I like the look of it without the pistol grip.

Agreed.

I was ready to get a SU-16CA too. Looks like Ill hold out for awhile and see how much that pistol grip RX4 will be if it comes here. Awesome news.

[Correia]

I saw this at SHOT. I was not impressed. Retail is going to be in the mid 900s. So figure dealer is going to be in the low 800s. Which puts this right into the same price range as a good AR.

The collapsible stock is just stupid. As you adjust it your sight plane changes up or down, making it impossible to have a good cheek weld.

It uses an AR style mag release, however even with my gorilla fingers I couldn't reach the mag release when using the pistol grip.

The sporter stock gun was better, but at that price, I have no interest at all. Before handling them I was thinking about buying a few to stock in my store, but not after. I just don't see this selling very well.

[benEzra]

I like the look, and I like Berettas in general. Dunno if I'd buy one instead of an AR, but I could see buying one in addition thereto... :)

[Lobotomy Boy]

If they had given the gun a bullpup design, or a semi-bullpup design like the CX4 Storm, they might have had something to offer that might draw customers who would otherwise buy ARs. As it is designed, I would spend the extra money for the Sig 556 if I wanted a piston-operated .223.

Note to all you guys who posted about the gun being "fugly." It wasn't that funny the first time someone posted it. By the tenth or eleventh time it was just plain sad.

[carlrodd]

looks like some sort of alien weapon with the stock at full length, but the other way i rather like the look....it's sleek and interesting. it reminds me of an automobile. they done good, especially considering how boring of a weapon the 92F is. who said something about soulless? if there was ever a soulless looking weapon it was the AR.

[Fire4Effect]

Hmmm.... well it looks like some kind of alien transformer weapon from Doom...:D

As far as it being fugly, sad and hideous, I only have 2 words... Hi Point.

Beretta, if your Reps are gonna pose with their fingers on the trigger at least have them wear a bikini so we don't notice the safety violation... :evil:

But seriously, I like my CX-4 and would probably buy this if it was offered in a .308 version.
Also, if any of the guys from ATI are reading this, a CX-4 style buttstock/pistol grip sure would look sharp on a Saiga or VEPR AK with those sleek handguards... hint, hint..

[Steelcore]

If it works and feels good and is easy to hit with,who cares how it looks?The more different guns,the better.

[mordechaianiliewicz]

Why Beretta? What's the point of that?

[..]

Any word on when this will be available?

[22/22mag]

I held one at the shot show and in person its not bad looking easy to sholder,aim. .Around $800. I would buy one.

[GTKrockeTT]

for $800, i would buy one...or 2.:eek:

[nipprdog]

.

[Foxtrot427]

I looove it.

[Giolli Joker]

Any word on when this will be available?
Here in Italy it should be available in September.;)

[Correia]

All I can say is that for you guys that love it, and must have it, hold the damn thing first. :p

[Mike128]

The ergonomics look horrible. The controls look way to far forward with to much heel drop to control recoil. Plus the R1 is not known for it's accuracy but good enough. Haven't heard much on the reliablity aspect.

They need to make it a 308 with a 20 inch barrel that is able to use cheap existing magazines. Straighten the comb up some and it would be interesting as a main battle rifle. Especially if it is as reliable as the shotgun.

And it is UGLY. :uhoh:

[Boats]

IF, (big if with Beretta's vaporware track record), I can eventally hold one that looks like the non-pistol grip version, can turn it and read 7.62x51mm NATO, and it takes FAL metric mags, I am buying it cash on the barrelhead since I have really long fingers.:cool:

[Correia]

Boats, my trigger finger is 4 1/2 inches long from the tip to the knuckle, I use my finger to operate an AK safety, and I didn't even come close on the Beretta. So unless you palm basketballs in the NBA, I'm doubtful you are going to be dropping that mag with your trigger finger. :)

[Boats]

I am 6'8" and can palm basketballs effortlessly. Besides, I think that perhaps the preproduction rifle we've been seeing will be "massaged" before the final one is released.

Chances are there will never be a .308 one, so if I get a 5.56, it'll still be an AR buy for me.

[pete f]

To think this THING came from the same country as Ferrari and Ducatti.

I saw the first picture and I would have sworn it was some kid's Photoshop project, its Ghastly.

[Thefabulousfink]

I think the stock is the only problem that I have with it. If they just put the CX4 Storm's stock on the civilian version, I think it would make a nice little carbine.

The short barrel with the stock collapsed looks allright. IMHO

Edit: more observations: Correia is right, current mag release will need to be operated with the off hand. If they moved the pistol grip and FCG forward to meet the mag well and then use an AR style or similar mag release it would make it look better and be easier to use.

[Karbon]

One hell of an odd gun.

Super, more space guns...

[Dacoda]

This thing is no more uglier than a SoCom II, and everyone and their mom wants one of those things.

I think the thing looks rather appealing.

It looks alot like my Hi-Point now that I have that advanced technologies stock on it. well, similar anyway, not identicle. Thumb-hole instead of pistol grip. and the stock is fixed, not telescopic.

[Correia]

Holy hell, Boats, I retract what I said. This is the gun for you! :D

[Boats]

Well, Mr. Correia, if the version I am interested in ever comes to pass, I know where to order one for an interstate transfer.:)

[wheelgunslinger]

I kinda like it. But then, I buy most anything that I've seen an Italian woman holding in a display booth.

As a main battle rifle, it seems useable. However, if it accepts AR mags, shoots 223, and is another semi-auto, why not just buy an AR? How is this one better than an AR?

[Lobotomy Boy]

Tough to beat an AR, at least in the climates in which I shoot (mostly northern Minnesota). Those things are addicting. I rarely shoot any of my other guns these days.

[chevrofreak]

Ugly as heck, but I'm glad to see all these AR alternatives coming around for those of us that hate AR15's.

[gopguy]

And I thought they had taken a step away from beauty when they stopped making the BM59 and made the AR70........To each his own though. As long as it works, beauty is as beauty does.

[The_Future]

Definitly doesn't have look of an AR but then I like it, nice and curvy.;) With the sporter stock made me think of a M1 carbine.

[killzone]

I hate the .223. Don't they make it in .308? Then I would consider it.:rolleyes:

[freebird]

Odd design. But I would take it!!! Beretta has some weird designs?????

[Leonardo]

I don't think it looks too bad.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v512/leonardo00/BerettaRX4.jpg

[JoshM]

Seems nearly all the major manufacturers have recently introduced an assault/patrol rifle which feeds off standard AR magazines. Examples include -

SIG 556;
Smith & Wesson MP15 (AR clone);
and, now the new Beretta.

I'm guessing nobody wants to miss out on the option of providing a special deal-sole supplier option to an agency.

Surprised to see that Glock still does not have a 5.56 AR in their line up.

What's next - a Remington LE AR, a Ruger Mini 14 (with AR magazine compatibility), or maybe a Kimber Pro Defense AR (built off a rebadged Daewoo) :D

[nipprdog]

What's next - a Remington LE AR

they already make it, sort of......

http://www.remingtonle.com/images/rifles/m7615.jpg

:D

[Richard.Howe]

:eek: Abomination

[Kenshin]

This gun sort of looks like another rifle I've seen before....weird.

[Kenshin]

Anything new on this?

[Kenshin]

Bump. Got nothing off calguns, anybody here know anything new?

[Nightcrawler]

It uses an AR style mag release, however even with my gorilla fingers I couldn't reach the mag release when using the pistol grip.

You're not meant to use your trigger finger, I don't think. You use your thumb as you grasp the magazine and pull it out. Note that there's a button on either side for this purpose.

Gasp! Horror! I know, a manual of arms different than an AR-15. ( :neener: ) But...thumb-release-pull is how you change a magazine on a FAL, an M14, an AK, a G36, HK91, and innumerable other rifles. It's also how a lefty changes a mag on an M16. So the position of the magazine release, for me at least, wouldn't be a deal-breaker.

Now the collasping stock doesn't look too well thought out. However, since other stock options are available, I don't see it as an issue. Then again, I don't have the fascination with adjustable LOP stocks that everyone seems to have these days. (I know, I know, what if you're wearing armor? How often do most of us wear armor, really? Besides, I much prefer a short fixed stock for this purpose. Then again, I'm not big on folders either.)

I don't get it, I really don't. FAL guys and M1A guys debate endlessly over who has the better rifle. But when JLD Enterprises came out with their G3 clone, you didn't see a lot of "BAH! BAH I say! Why should anyone buy this when the FAL/M1A is available! It's preposterous! A conspiracy of Freemasons!"

But whenever a new .223 rifle comes out, the AR guys come out of the woodwork about how THEY'LL never buy one unless it's three hundred dollars. Oh, they'll happily pay $850 for an AR clone that the purported manufacturer didn't even make (merely assembled and slapped their rollstamp on there), but everything else needs to be sub $600 or it's worthless.

I, for one, am happy just to see some variety. I hope the Beretta design is reliable and does well. Will I buy one? No. But, for some of us, most notably those in California, this rifle with the "standard" stock must certainly seem promising...

Beretta gets a pat on the back for at least trying to make something different. Yeah, it's basically a mutated Benelli design, but who cares? Would you be happier if they were buying parts from LAR and Stag Arms, putting their rollstamp on there, and claiming to produce yet another AR-15 clone?

[toivo]

I hate the collapsible stock, but with the standard stock it really looks OK. Much better than this thing (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=208795).

[hksw]

Maybe they'll use it in the next remake of Planet of the Apes.

[just one question]

I was ready to say "I'll get one.... as soon as they come out" but when I saw that the gun will probably 700-900 dollars......what's the point? I don't mean for those who want it....I meant why would they make it? If it is that much there is no way it will compete with the ar15. :rolleyes:



Also, I wonder when taurus is gonna' make their tactical rifle? It can't be far.

[GrammatonCleric]

I actually LIKE "space guns". Yeah, yeah, burn the heretic, I know. I consider my Glock21 to be a beauty, and I pine for a Cx4 Storm carbine in .45 ACP. This rifle has a really neat futuristic look to it and I like the looks of it. My love for futuristic looking firearms is probably because I read WAAAAYYYYYY too many scifi novels. As long as firearm is functional, I say run wild in the looks department.

[Lobotomy Boy]

Functionally this gun could be the equivilant of the Sig 556. When you look at it like that, the price looks reasonable (if it measures up the Sig). If it is little better than a $550 Mini 14 or SU16, then it is overpriced.

[Black Snowman]

The collapsing stock is all wrong. If it's going to collapse the comb needs to stay the same or DROP as it gets shorter. Mag compatibility is good and at least they didn't slap 500 rails on it. It's very obviously derived from the Benelli but with the same reciever that should keep costs down and with the gas system under the barrel you've got a much better sight to bore offset. Sometihing I never really liked about the AR. It would take many glowing range reports and a very light weight for me to pick one up, otherwise my money will be going to a DMPS Lite-16. Assuming I don't already have it if/when this is released in the US.

[Black Snowman]

Would you be happier if they were buying parts from LAR and Stag Arms, putting their rollstamp on there, and claiming to produce yet another AR-15 clone?

So what are peoples opinions of the S&W MP-15? :neener:

This is what happens when civilians aren't allowed to develop firearms. If we didn't have all of the restrictive laws today we'd have someone here in the states everyone would be calling "The new JMB". When you have bean counters create guns, this is what you come up with.

At least it's not another bandwagon gun. IMHO, there are already too many 1911 and AR pattern makers out there.

[Number 6]

The MSRP for a new Mini-14 is $750. If Beretta has a similar MSRP then the RX4 should be good competition for the Mini. The base model SU-16 MSRPs for $640 so the baseline model would beat the RX4 in terms of price, but the C and CA models MSRP for $740, so the RX4 could also compete with the SU line. The only two things that I dislike about the RX4 from the pictures are the placement of the magazine release and the lack of a dust cover behind the bolt.

[Lobotomy Boy]

What kind of fool pays retail for any gun?

You can't go wrong with the DPMS. Great guns and customer service that can't be beat. I'm extremely fond of mine.

[dakotajake]

They are gonna have to make it cheap to make it sell. Its why the H&K SL8 didn't sell and the Mini 14 does despite the horrendous accuracy. I’d figure that the all plastic construction would make it cheap, I mean if you look around you can get a Benelli Nova Tactical at $300 even. If it is more accurate than the Mini 14 at about the same price, I’ll get one.

[TimboKhan]

Wow, Beretta has outdone themselves. They've managed to create a gun even uglier than their Storm carbine or Storm pistol

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I guess. I will say this: At least Beretta has been trying to make something different. I may not buy one, but I can appreciate that it's something different.

[Zeede]

Man I hope this comes out in that first fixed stock (the one in the middle) somebody Photoshopped, because then I could actually get something in .223 that's legal in California.

I don't like the Ruger Mini-14 and I have to have a fixed mag on an AR-15, not to mention everyone and their cousin has one/

Looks wise, I think it looks better than the CX4, especially if they go w/ a 10 round clip which will be shorter and flow better w/ the lines of the rifle.

Cameron

[4fingermick]

Looks like sin, but no doubt it will be an ultra reliable effective rifle. Not my cup of tea though. She looks pretty cool though. I need to take her and give her some gun handling lessons. :D

[viperburkh]

This is an email I got back today direct from Beretta Customer Support regarding the cost of an Rx4 Storm with the fixed standard (non-pistol grip) stock:

"Thank you for contacting Beretta Customer Support.

The full stock will be $1,100.00 +/-."

Also - base clip is a 10 round magazine that has been capped to fit 5 rounds. I asked them if the cap is removable for areas that allow 10 rounds in semi-autos (a couple of their guns are similar and cap is removable), this was the response.

"I am not sure about the plug on the magazine. The rifle is not available here in the states yet."

Just an FYI for all those following this.

[Strings]

$1100? I'll stick with my AR thanks...

[Bondo_Red]

It's not that bad.I mean I'd rather have a big name like Jessica Alba or something :D lol all blatant chauvenism aside that gun is FUGLY

[viperburkh]

Yeah - there are plenty of nice shooting .223 (and larger) guns that you can pick up for less than that. I liked the feel of the Cx4 Storm to hold since I have a little shorter arm reach than some and I've got a Ruger P345..so the Cx4 Storm in .45 ACP was attractive since I reload my ammo - but you won't catch me dropping $1100 on the Rx4 in this lifetime. Our only hope for this gun is if the (+/-) on the end of that translates to -$400 if they hope to make people put down their AR's and pick up the Rx4. :D

[Lucky]

If it has really really good iron sights it's worth considering. Otherwise, what were they thinking? Even the CX4 has scope rails.

[modifiedbrowning]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I guess. I will say this: At least Beretta has been trying to make something different. I may not buy one, but I can appreciate that it's something different.
True. I have actually come to appreciate the look of the Berettas in the last year and a half.

[66912]

That thing looks like it should be shooting NERF balls.

[The Deer Hunter]

Its a CX storm/Benelli Super Nova/Benelli R4 cross.

[Nematocyst]

Ugliest POS I've seen since Gary Oldman (Zorg) demo'ed his gun in Fifth Element.

And this Beretta doesn't even have a flame thrower.

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/6107/5e/9.jpg

[4fingermick]

Now if Remington made the 7400 like the 7600 Police Patrol rifle, that would be niceeeeeeeeee. the mags are a bit of a weak link. A '7415' patterned after the 7615 would also be a cool rifle.

[Lobotomy Boy]

I've shot 7400s and 7600s (and 760s), and I'll take the pump over the autoloader any day. The tactical 7600 is a brilliant rifle.

[Nematocyst]

I'll take the pump over the autoloader any day.Got that right.

And I'll take my levers over an auto, also.

[seeker_two]

Sorry to resurrect the Ghost of Christmas Past here....

Any news on this rifle? Has it shipped to the US? Any owners out there?....

If not, RIP....

[GunTech]

The Italian marketing team is at it again. They need to fire the clothiers and get someone who designs guns. Almost broke my eyes.

[CornCod]

I love ugly guns. In spite of the too short hair, the booth-lady is pretty attractive too. Ah, Italian girls!

[alucard0822]

Id pick one up if Boyds got around to making a laminated thumbhole stock for it, perhaps something similar to the serling shotgun stocks. I think the folks down in Accokeek are getting ready to release it, Ive seen a few Beretta brochures and catalogs that have the "coming soon", or "call or price" undeer the secription and picture. As far as I am concerned the more black rifles made, and in turn more black rifle owners, help us immensely especially going into the 08 battle of the big shots. Commitment to the EBR segment brings in jobs, money and votes for our side, and especially in MD we need all the help we can get.

http://www.berettausa.com/product/spotlight/spotlight_rifle_rx4.cfm

[semper_fi_00]

I've heard threw the grapevine that Jan. 08 will be the release date for the Rx4 and my buddy is getting one for 10% over retail and that is $1000. This is in California as well if anyone is wondering.
If you ask me I dont think its worth the money, at least not the california legal one, which will not have the pistol grip, so basically it may just be a more expense version of the Ruger "ranch rifle" for those of you lucky enough to live in a state that isnt all screwed up I would just stick with the AR-15, its proven and its more than likely cheaper.

Semper Fi for all those Jar-Heads out there

[crazed_ss]

Ooh-rah!

I've been waiting for this Berretta for awhile. Im hoping it'll be more accurate and durable that a Mini-14. Im not a fan off the whole off-list CA-legal AR thing and I havent been impressed with our other .223 options like the SU-16. $1000 is a lot, but if it's a performer I'll glady pay the price.

http://www.berettausa.com/product/spotlight/images/images%20spotlight%202007/Rx4%20Storm%20img/JXRS521_RH_RX4_Storm_L.jpg

I like the integrated rails and the use of AR mags. Should be really easy to add a red dot and bipod. I really hope it's accurate and I'm in for one. This is perfect for the CA market.

[semper_fi_00]

Ooh-rah!

Well like I said before, my friend is getting one soon so when he gets it we we'll run it threw the drills and see how it holds up. Both of us being former Marines and all, I'd like to think we know a good rifle when we see one.
And when its all said and done I'll get back on here and let you know what I think. As crazed ss stated I too am not a big fan of the off list CA legal "assult rifles". Those mini-14 are like shooting blind folded and those SU-16, which I bought and it lasted me about 500 rounds before the barrel started to break down (shooting over a span of 6 months) which caused major problems, but not to get off the topic at hand, if anyone has their hands on this Rx4, let us know whats it like. Semper Fi !

[peyton]

I wonder why on the web site it lists the length of the barrel at 16 or 12 inches. Looking at the photograph, it just begs for a flash hider or to be a SBR. (Is that a $200 stamp?) I also wonder what the measurement from front to rear sight is? Do you suppose if you remove all the plastic how does the rifle look? Most important HOW DID THEY BUILD IT WITHOUT A BUFFER TUBE???

[Nightcrawler]

HOW DID THEY BUILD IT WITHOUT A BUFFER TUBE???

The same way they build Paratrooper FALs, Kalashnikovs, G3s, FNCs, AR-18s, etc. etc. Most self-loading rifles do not require the return spring to be in the stock. The standard FAL and the M16 family are two notable exceptions. The FAL, of course, can be modified to have a folding stock. The M16 cannot.

[peyton]

I guess my curiousity will wait or will this become a vaporware rifle, or are their any of these rifles in circulation?

[Wes Janson]

IIRC, I was told by the rep that the first few models coming in were already allocated, and it would only be a handful. And that it's going to be at least 6-12 months until we see them in quantity.

[fragmatic]

Hope they hurry up.

The gun nazis might want to outlaw this baby.

[Click Click Boom]

This rifle will never see the light of day in the USA. Beretta has already said theat because of gun import laws in in Italy and the USA ir\t will not be releasing the RX4.

[66912]

It is not that bad looking with the stock retracted. Otherwise, I think I saw the same gun in that Jane Fonda movie "Barberella"

[seeker_two]

http://www.berettausa.com/product/spotlight/images/images%20spotlight%202007/Rx4%20Storm%20img/JXRS521_RH_RX4_Storm_L.jpg

I hope they reconsider importing this version...maybe in a non-black color. It would put the mini-14 to shame......

...and some of us don't care about being "tacti-cool"....we just want to shoot...

[Shipwreck]

I am surprised that no one has said it - the gun has been discontinued. It will not be released after all.

[Wes Janson]

I've heard at least three seperate reasons: that the rifle wasn't "good" enough for Beretta, that import/export issues prevented Beretta from bringing them in, and finally that there just wasn't enough interest from the market to justify the expenditure. Offhand, I'd speculate that all three are probably responsible.

[trbon8r]

Hey Beretta.........when you find a way to produce U.S. legal versions of these guns, I might actually think of you as being something more than a shotgun company.

I can't remember the last time I bought a shotgun or even considered purchasing a Beretta product, but I buy lots of rifles. :D

[SaMx]

The one on the left is basically and italian M-14 clone right?

They could import those, and people would definitely buy them.

[ramey84]

it looks like r2d2's penis

[ether]

I was about to mouth-vomit until I saw the model...saving grace.