The Smoking Gun


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TheeBadOne
April 3, 2003, 09:12 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,83047,00.html

WASHINGTON — Evidence has been found in the Kurdish-controlled regions of northern Iraq that the Islamic militant group Ansar al-Islam was working on three types of chlorine gas and ricin and has ties to Al Qaeda, U.S. officials told Fox News.

Officials said that between 75 and 150 Al Qaeda members have been captured or killed in northern Iraq in recent days.

U.S. sources told Fox News that documents and equipment were found in the rubble of an Ansar facility that had been built into a cliff near Sargat. The material was described as "a cookbook and kitchen" for chemical weapons.

Other items included latex gloves, penicillin, a freezer and lab equipment. Sources said additional tests are planned.

Two suspected Al Qaeda members escaped into Iran but surrendered to the Iranian Revolutionary Guards. Iran has said it will hand over captured Ansar members. U.S. officials are waiting for them.

There were indications earlier that Ansar al-Islam was getting help from inside neighboring Iran.

Kurdish and Turkish intelligence officials said many of Ansar's 700 members have slipped out of Iraq and into Iran.

Earlier this week, a coalition assault on a compound controlled by Ansar al-Islam in Biyare, northern Iraq, turned up lists of names of suspected militants living in the United States.

Coalition troops found computer discs and other materials belonging to Arab fighters from around the Middle East. The findings could be the strongest evidence yet to support the Bush administration's arguments that the Iraqi-based group is connected to Al Qaeda.

A high-level Kurdish intelligence official said three Ansar leaders -- identified as Ayoub Afghani, Abdullah Shafeye and Abu Wahel -- were among those who had fled into Iran. The official said the three were seen being detained by Iranian authorities Sunday. Fox News confirmed that Afghani was one of the fugitives.

"We asked the Iranian authorities to hand over to us any of the Afghan Arabs or Islamic militants hiding themselves inside the villages of Iran," said Boorhan Saeed, a member of the pro-U.S. Patriotic Union of Kurdistan. "We asked them about it Sunday, and still don't have a response."

Among the evidence found inside Ansar compounds were passports and identity papers of Ansar activists indicating that up to 150 of them were foreigners, including Yemenis, Turks, Palestinians, Pakistanis, Algerians and Iranians.

Coalition forces also found a phone book containing numbers of alleged Islamic activists based in the United States and Europe as well as the number of a Kuwaiti cleric and a letter from Yemen's minister of religion.

"What we've discovered in Biyare is a very sophisticated operation," said Barham Salih, prime minister of the Kurdish regional government.

Seized computer disks contained evidence showing meetings between Ansar and Al Qaeda activists, according to Mahdi Saeed Ali, a military commander.

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clem
April 3, 2003, 09:50 PM
Remember, Islam is a religion of peace.

seeker_two
April 3, 2003, 10:04 PM
Remember, Islam is a religion of peace.

...and Hans Blix never found any evidence of WMD's. :barf:

Justin
April 3, 2003, 10:32 PM
Deleted because sarcasm^2 doesn't always work, and can end up backfiring on you...:(

Blackhawk
April 3, 2003, 10:53 PM
I'm afraid most of the world won't accept the smoking gun. They won't even accept the gun firing at them on full auto. :rolleyes:

Personally, I don't need no steenkin' smokin' gun. What that regime did to its own people is persuasive enough for me. :fire:

MeekandMild
April 3, 2003, 11:57 PM
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Tamara
April 4, 2003, 12:21 AM
Remember, Islam is a religion of peace.

Religion of peace?

It must be, because the owner of this server has put up with ignorant trash-talk about his religion that, were it directed at 99% of the other religious types here, would lead to angry invitations to "step outside". :scrutiny:

ahadams
April 4, 2003, 12:30 AM
cults of personality. Iraq, Al Quaide, and various and sundry other countries and groups (Syria, Hamas, PFLP, and the so-called palestinian authority, for examples) tend to be cults of personality with a theological/emotional overlay. I would submit that even if the never found chemical one in Iraq, stomping the current Iraqi government into the dust, along with the Taliban, etc, will have a salutory effect on any number of such countries and groups because it will let their leadership know that we can and will take it to THEM personally, if we have to.

just a thought,

Tamara
April 4, 2003, 12:33 AM
Speaking of "cult of personality", how many are getting that whole weird Weekend At Bernie's vibe from the Iraqi leadership lately? They haven't exactly wheeled ol' Saddam out in a chaise lounge with sunglasses on and used a string tied to his wrist to make him wave, but you get the feeling that that's just around the corner... ;)

ahadams
April 4, 2003, 12:56 AM
I just flashed on "Weekend at Saddams, with Chevy Chase as the foreign minister, Keanu Reeves as Saddam's one remaining psycho son, and a special guest appearance by Michael York as Saddam!"

like I said, must be the beer....

Coronach
April 4, 2003, 01:00 AM
Okay. One moment.

I would like to take this opportunity to address the issue of thread drift, as it relates to religion in general and Islam in particular.

And allow me to be painfully blunt.

Militant Islamics are to Islam what Tim McVeigh is to the US libertarian/Gun-owner community.

When we hear antis saying that everyone who owns an 'assault weapon' is just a wacko waiting to blow up a building, we get rightfully pissed off, because a bunch of bigots are using the actions of a lunatic fringe element to tar an entire community.

Well, guess what some other bigots are using the actions of a lunatic fringe element to do?

You may disagree with me. You may disagree with THR's policy of not allowing discussions to engage in bashing on the basis of religion. That is your right as an American.

But if you're going to hold discussions on the matter, you're going to do it elsewhere, or you will be shown the door.

I trust that I am being sufficiently clear on this matter.

Now, if we would like to return to the discussion of how a group of (yes) islamic militants (read: extremists) have been concocting chemical weaponry in northern Iraq, feel free.

Coronach

ahadams
April 4, 2003, 01:05 AM
just endless sequels to originally stupid movie ideas...

sorry about the topic drift - will try to do better in the future:D

Coronach
April 4, 2003, 01:13 AM
Sorry,

I wasn't addressing you, Ahadams. You just managed to post before I blew my gasket. ;)

Mike

S_O_Laban
April 4, 2003, 01:15 AM
I think Blackhawk hit the nail on the head... don't confuse them with facts. One does wonder what they will think when we wheel out out a couple of nukes?:rolleyes:

cuchulainn
April 4, 2003, 02:03 AM
Of course, this being in Kurdish-controlled Iraq, Saddam (if he isn't Bernie) or his apologists will insist that it was outside of the regime's hands.

What is the correct response to that?

Justin Moore
April 4, 2003, 02:55 AM
Did they find Jimmy Hoffa's body too? ;)

Coronach,

Great points that you made. I agree.

Khornet
April 4, 2003, 08:00 AM
ya took the words out of my mouth.

Not that I think we need a smoking gun anyway, but wasn't this find made in the areas Saddam DOESN'T control? I can't see how this says anything about SH, and don't care, because SH is getting trashed, and terrorists are getting trashed. Fine with me.

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