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jsalcedo
November 30, 2005, 01:29 PM
http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=114733

Pull a gun and face the heat — a picture of your face plastered all over the city — if a proposal to create a public registry for firearms offenders comes to pass.

“Creating a ‘gun offender registry’ modeled after the Sex Offender Registry would be a fantastic way of helping stem the flow of guns into the city,” said Hyde Park-based district City Councilor Rob Consalvo, who will propose the idea at today’s council hearing.

The notion came up as Consalvo was talking with constituents about the rise in gun violence that led to 279 fatal and non-fatal shootings this year by Oct. 23. His thought is that making the names and faces of gun offenders public, much the way sex offenders are publicized, would act as a small deterrent and alert neighbors of a possible danger in their midst.

The mug shots of Level 3 sex offenders who are considered a high risk to re-offend are posted on state and city Web sites and in police stations, and information on Level 2 offenders can be found in local police departments. Consalvo said he is short on details on how a gun offender system would work, but is asking for a hearing with city and state officials and community and religious groups.

Dorchester activist Barry Mullen, who has fostered numerous crime watches in the St. Mark’s area, liked the idea. “Having someone register who has done a violent crime with a gun would make a lot of sense,” Mullen said. “I’d like to know if my neighbor has been arrested for a gun charge.”

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spacemanspiff
November 30, 2005, 01:32 PM
i want a 'bad driver registry'.

Janitor
November 30, 2005, 01:37 PM
I've got zero problems with this. Well - depending on what exactly they mean by "gun offender registry". Would a local citizen be put into that registry if he forgot his ID at home that day?

As with any other system/law/process - One must make every effort to avoid any "unintended consequences".

But anyone who want's to address dealing with the criminals rather than the tools they abuse is on the right track as far as I'm concerned.
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SomeKid
November 30, 2005, 01:38 PM
Becuase as we all know, people who carry guns to protect their lives are just as bad as pedophiles.

Janitor
November 30, 2005, 01:39 PM
i want a 'bad driver registry'.
Maybe a 'FPIL registry' also?


(Fat Person In Latex)
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jsalcedo
November 30, 2005, 01:42 PM
depending on what exactly they mean by "gun offender registry

Exactly.

Someone who misspells something on a 4473?

Someone who forgets a bullet in their carry on bag?

Someone caught with a 15 round magazine in a 10 round zone?

Will they have to walk around to the neighbors and tell them they performed an illegal act with a gun?

Pilgrim
November 30, 2005, 01:43 PM
i want a 'bad driver registry'.
I think a registry of repeat drunk drivers would be more useful.

Pilgrim

spacemanspiff
November 30, 2005, 01:44 PM
big difference between lycra and latex.

and i have a sneaking suspicion that you want your FPIL registry for other than noble reasons.

:D

MD_Willington
November 30, 2005, 01:45 PM
What constitutes a "gun offender"...

Merely brandishing or exposing ones firearm could be quickly turned to be a level 1 offense...then you are labeled for life...

Have you heard of people who have been placed on the sex offender list for "mooning", I have.

A double edged sword.


MD

Janitor
November 30, 2005, 01:45 PM
big difference between lycra and latex.

and i have a sneaking suspicion that you want your FPIL registry for other than noble reasons.

:D
D##n. Been outed. :)

jefnvk
November 30, 2005, 02:09 PM
Here is an idea. Why not just leave these people in jail, until they aren't going to commit crimes again, instead of continuing to release them, and just notifying the public they may be a danger?

Or, why not just make it a general Criminal Registry?

HighVelocity
November 30, 2005, 02:16 PM
Criminals already have registries, it's called a rap sheet. Adding more bureaucracy to the mix will just be a waste of money and man hours. If somebody commits a crime with a toaster oven will all the neighbors be notified of a rogue baker in the neighborhood? :rolleyes:

Standing Wolf
November 30, 2005, 02:31 PM
Consalvo said he is short on details on how a gun offender system would work...

A representative of the Democratic (sic) party, no doubt.

CAS700850
November 30, 2005, 03:52 PM
The whole purpose of the sex offender registry springs from the idea that sex offenders cannot be rehabilitated, so it makes sense for the general public to know who these people are, to protect society. Depending on the registry laws, the period required to register relates to the seriousness of the offense.

Now, let's take a guns crime, say Improper Handling in a Motor Vehicle, which in Ohio means not having the weapon openly displayed while driving, or not in the locked glove compartment. So, you make a mistake, and pick up the charge. When are you "rehabilitated"? How will showing society your photo protect you from future such offenses?

Crap. But then again, I don't know that the sex offender registry does any real good, it's more "feel good" legislation.

Mr. James
November 30, 2005, 04:42 PM
the sex offender registry springs from the idea that sex offenders cannot be rehabilitated, so it makes sense for the general public to know who these people are . . .

I submit if they cannot be rehabilitated, which I firmly believe is the case, they should be locked away in so dark a hole as to never pose a threat to man, woman, child or beast again.

CAS, I know you are merely summarizing the official "wisdom," so that isn't a swipe at you.

As to the gun offender registry, I would be really curious as to how they "staged" the various offenses (lone loose round in the carry-on versus shot up a nightclub).

On second thought, no I wouldn't be. :cuss: :cuss: :cuss:

akodo
November 30, 2005, 04:53 PM
You commit a crime involving a firearm...you belong behind bars, not out and about but 'with your face on some webpage!"

sm
November 30, 2005, 05:05 PM
The notion came up as Consalvo was talking with constituents about the rise in gun violence that led to 279 fatal and non-fatal shootings this year by Oct. 23. His thought is that making the names and faces of gun offenders public, much the way sex offenders are publicized, would act as a small deterrent and alert neighbors of a possible danger in their midst.

<raises hand>

Understand I am in the South, so pardon me if my questions are stupid.

1) How many folks on the FBI Top Ten Wanted List, as POSTED for Public Display at the Post Office - are actually apprehended?

2) Has any / How many apprehended as a result of someone actually paying attention to this list in the USPS?

3) Apply 1 and 2 to local media such as papers and televison. Add local criminals.

4) Apply 1 and 2 to Internet where one can view not only the FBI Top Ten List, and all sorts of local Criminals.

Like I said, I may be wrong in my thinking - but even LEO have a hard time keeping up all sorts of BGs on Wanted Posters.

You think doing a poster is going to do any good? People don't read what is out there of importance anyway...Like "Do Not Enter" and enter freeways going the wrong direction.

Nope sorry, sounds like another touchy feel good solution to spend money on to get votes, and/or someone's kinfolk needs the funds from all this.

There is that part about WHOM actually defines WHAT is an OFFENSE.

-Wind blows and someones cover garment gives a glimpse of CCW while pumpin gas.

-A mom has a kid accidently brush mom in grocery store, CCW , or maybe even just the holster is exposed for a split second.

-Old friend gives you a hug and exclaims " oh my you are carrying a gun!".

Nope, we have too many laws already to deal with matters. Passing more laws just makes it easier to control folks.

I mean by "definition" if one were to grab a strange child out of harms way they too could be a 'sex offender'.

Gordon Fink
November 30, 2005, 06:29 PM
May the dearly departed Fourth Amendment rest in peace.

~G. Fink :(

Mr_Moore
November 30, 2005, 06:36 PM
Now, let's take a guns crime, say Improper Handling in a Motor Vehicle, which in Ohio means not having the weapon openly displayed while driving, or not in the locked glove compartment.

Hmmm... I live in PA and have a carry permit. I did have my gun on the seat next to me the other day. Does the Ohio law pertain to permit holders? I wonder if that is the law in PA. Sheesh its easy to get into trouble.

MatthewVanitas
November 30, 2005, 07:12 PM
Imagine the door-to-door advising when you move into the neighborhood:

"Good afternoon, my name is John Binotz, and I am required by law to inform you that I am a gun offender. This due to the fact that the last time my neighbor played his stereo too loud I shot him in the kneecaps with a MAC-10. Just letting you know..."

M-Rex
November 30, 2005, 07:21 PM
I'd like to see a leftist registry, and a 'this-home-is-undefended-because-the-owner-is-pro-gun-control' registry.

biere
November 30, 2005, 07:31 PM
All I see in this proposal is that folks with guns who commit a crime are going to get compared to the more extreme sex offenders.

I am going off what another poster said about certain levels of sex offenders being posted publicly, I honestly don't know how that works and don't feel like searching to learn about it right now.

If they want to post pics, they need to pic a level of crime and post it all. By level I mean misdemenor or whatever. I don't know how that breaks down either and I am too tired to go learn that as well.

Overall, I am seeing something that is going to make guns get compared with something very nasty.

There are lots of weapons people use, from notes saying they have a gun to bomb threats to a gallon of gasoline. They are singling out an item that gets picked on an awful lot.

NineseveN
December 1, 2005, 12:12 AM
I don't know about this, while on the surface it sounds like no big deal, the problem is, someone will find a way to pervert it and further restrict or revoke our rights.

If they want to post pictures of folks that commit murder and other such felonies regardless of the weapon, well, I still don't know about that. I do know that restricting it only to guns sounds like another segway into more gun control.

jsalcedo
December 1, 2005, 12:30 AM
I do know that restricting it only to guns sounds like another segway into more gun control.


I knew liberal gun grabbing freaks rode segways to their VPC meetings!

NineseveN
December 1, 2005, 12:31 AM
I knew liberal gun grabbing freaks rode segways to their VPC meetings!

:D

Beach
December 1, 2005, 12:53 AM
I am against the gun offender thing too. How about violent criminal?

I check out the sexual predator registry in my town sometimes. Its amazing how many of them live in my zip code. I live on the nicer side of a midsized town. I let the kids look at it too, and tell them how close the address is to our house in simple terms. The kids ask, why are they out of jail? Amazing how they pick up on things. :cuss:

chas_martel
December 1, 2005, 12:53 AM
akodo,

What about people that commit crimes w/o using a gun?

Do they get lighter sentences?

ibex
December 1, 2005, 07:18 AM
I am entirely against any public offender registries.

If people are too dangerous to walk around in public, they should stay in jail.

But if and when offenders are released from prison, they (at least in theory) have paid for their crimes, and should now be free to resume what's left of their life in peace. That, in my opinion, means they regain all their human rights, including the right to privacy, the moment they walk out of prison.

williamlayton
December 1, 2005, 09:03 AM
I cannot speak for where you live, however; in Texas a person that brandishes a weapon is subject to have his ccw privledges taken and charged with a felony. this would include printing.
However, having said that I carried for 30 years without a lic. with no problems.
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