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Berek
November 30, 2005, 03:34 PM
We teach game identification during my Hunter Ed classes. Are we the only ones???

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/P/PAINTED_ANIMALS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2005-11-29-18-13-29

Remember the Donkey? (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1522828/posts)

Berek

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Azrael256
November 30, 2005, 04:10 PM
My dad got me a sillhouette book when I started hunting so I could tell a deer from a labrador in low light. I thought it was really cool because every hunting excursion was just like observing Japanese planes in the South Pacific. I had watched Father Goose about a week before.

I would've done just fine without it. Rule #4.

akodo
November 30, 2005, 06:01 PM
ha ha great link.

#1, sounds like the bow hunter was a poacher. Not suprised he had a 'shoot first identify target second' mindset.

#2, the farmer sounded kinda paranoid. Probably was anti-hunting and was trying to make a point.

He should have painted "Not A Deer" on the animals, rather than just stripes.

Berek
November 30, 2005, 06:05 PM
ha ha great link.

#1, sounds like the bow hunter was a poacher. Not suprised he had a 'shoot first identify target second' mindset.

#2, the farmer sounded kinda paranoid. Probably was anti-hunting and was trying to make a point.

He should have painted "Not A Deer" on the animals, rather than just stripes.

In Wellsville, NY, many farmers paint "COW" on the side of their cows each year. Between the donkey, a horse a few years ago and the 500-pound dressed weight spike I saw about 15 years ago (someone harvested a beef steer) I can't say that I blame them.

Berek

TallPine
November 30, 2005, 06:18 PM
many farmers paint "COW" on the side of their cows each year
I heard about a guy who did that, and he found a bullet hole in his tractor, which had John Deere painted on it. :D

f4t9r
November 30, 2005, 06:26 PM
cant blame the farmers for what some bad apple does. This is the reason
It has gotten almost impossible here to hunt a farm unless you are in really tight with the farmer or you are family.
Had a GREAT place to hunt until some nut shot one of the horses and a week later one of the cows gets it. Thanks to people like them I now have to drive about an hour and half to hunt.

ArmedBear
November 30, 2005, 06:30 PM
It's pretty common to put a blaze vest on a dog. My dog is deer-colored, though not deer-sized.

I'd say the farmer has a good idea.

However, I don't believe a bowhunter is all that likely to mistake his prey, yet still kill it.

Preacherman
November 30, 2005, 07:34 PM
he found a bullet hole in his tractor, which had John Deere painted on it

ROTFLMAO!!! :D

phoglund
November 30, 2005, 07:52 PM
I once knew an old timer who had spent 18 years in Fish & Game here in Montana. He told a story of an out of state hunter showing off his kill at a game check station. He was really proud of the moose he had killed until it was pointed out to him that moose don't wear iron shoes.

Farmers and Ranchers who color their livestock are taking reasonable precautions. Anybody who takes horses up in the back country during hunting season is a fool not to dress them in orange.

Harve Curry
November 30, 2005, 10:37 PM
There was cartoon with this somewhere:
While a Texan was busily preparing for the first day of deer hunting season,
his wife started nagging that he never asked her to go along. After several
hours of arguments, the wife won.

That next morning they drove out to the country, and he placed his wife in a
tree about 100 yards from his blind. Just as the hunter reached the blind,
he heard a loud bang coming from the wife's position. As he ran up to her, he saw that she was holding her gun on a man nearby and shouting, "It's my deer! Get away from it!!
The sheepish-looking stranger just nodded slowly and said, "OK, Ok, lady.. It's your deer. Just let me get my saddle off of it!"

VARifleman
December 1, 2005, 01:31 AM
My mom grew up in a small town in rural New Jersey and one year a local's prize winning HOLSTEIN was shot by a hunter. :banghead:

Husker1911
December 1, 2005, 02:01 AM
There's the urban legend of city dwelling hunters in my state bragging about all the quail they'd bagged. When they opened their trunk, there was a brace of our state bird, meadowlarks.

gunner03
December 1, 2005, 02:05 AM
A few years back we had an older man,late 70's I think shoot a horse out from under a young girl!He said his eyes were getting bad and at the 100 yards he shot from he could not see the girl.

Missashot
December 1, 2005, 09:28 AM
Hard to believe that people could mistake animals like that.
I see a test involving animal shapes for hunters in the future. Be sort of like taking the road sign test for a drivers license.:D
Seriously, it is sad that these people have permission (a license) to go out and shoot something, but they don't know what their prey is supposed to look like.

TallPine
December 1, 2005, 10:23 AM
I see a test involving animal shapes for hunters in the future. Be sort of like taking the road sign test for a drivers license
They already have a test like that in MT that you have to take in order to buy a bear license. You have to prove that you know the difference between a black bear and a grizzly bear, since grizzlies are protected.

You can take the test online, but I never bothered since I don't care to hunt bear (or bare, either).

As in many other things, I'm not sure whether the answer is more regulation, but rather heavier consequences if you screw up.

LawDog
December 1, 2005, 10:42 AM
Our County Judge had a set of those plaster life-size deer in his front yard.

Bear in mind that he lived well inside the city limits.

The year I was hired on at the Sheriff's Office, one of the first crimes I got to investigate was a .30-30 right behind the shoulder of the Judge's buck (unsolved) the second day of hunting season.

Next year, the day hunting season opened, all four of the Judge's plaster deer were wearing orange vests, and the buck was wearing an orange hunting cap. :D

Every season from then on, his deer wore their vests throughout hunting season.

LawDog

Bubbles
December 1, 2005, 11:20 AM
Blaze Orange Protective Gear (http://www.protectavest.com/) for pets & livestock.

MechAg94
December 1, 2005, 12:01 PM
Hard to believe that people could mistake animals like that.
I see a test involving animal shapes for hunters in the future. Be sort of like taking the road sign test for a drivers license.:D
Seriously, it is sad that these people have permission (a license) to go out and shoot something, but they don't know what their prey is supposed to look like.

I don't think we need more laws, just harsher consequences for screwing up. People have to take responsibility for their actions. If they can't see very well, that is just as bad as someone who shoots at a moving bush.

pauli
December 1, 2005, 12:22 PM
which is more palatable, though:

"sorry grandpa, you can't hunt anymore."
"sorry granpda, you can't hunt anymore without a chaperone."
"sorry granpda, we'll visit you mondays and thursdays."

twency
December 1, 2005, 12:23 PM
Obviously this is why ever bullet should be stamped with a unique serial number, with a national database of every bullet sold. All pre-serialized rounds would be illegal after a set grace period, and hand-loading/reloading would be heavily restricted. All sales of lead which might be used to cast bullets would be heavily regulated.

And government controlled cameras should be installed in every home, business, garage, shed, smokehouse and outhouse in the country, plus cameras in every public place, including randomly placed cameras in the middle of the woods.

Oh, and we should ban all guns for good measure.

That ought to solve the problem.

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-twency

(Seriously, stories about hunters shooting other hunters, livestock, etc. out of negligence [or malice] REALLY tick me off. Not sure that there's any good solution though.)

Berek
December 1, 2005, 04:24 PM
Obviously this is why ever bullet should be stamped with a unique serial number, with a national database of every bullet sold. All pre-serialized rounds would be illegal after a set grace period, and hand-loading/reloading would be heavily restricted. All sales of lead which might be used to cast bullets would be heavily regulated.

And government controlled cameras should be installed in every home, business, garage, shed, smokehouse and outhouse in the country, plus cameras in every public place, including randomly placed cameras in the middle of the woods.

Oh, and we should ban all guns for good measure.

That ought to solve the problem.

__________________
-twency

(Seriously, stories about hunters shooting other hunters, livestock, etc. out of negligence [or malice] REALLY tick me off. Not sure that there's any good solution though.)

I hope to my non-denominational, inoffensive, totally benign astral guide that you're being sarcastic...

Berek

twency
December 1, 2005, 06:58 PM
I hope to my non-denominational, inoffensive, totally benign astral guide that you're being sarcastic...
Well, given your amusing (oops, did I offend you?) reference to the non-deity to which you hope, I don't know if you are serious about possibly taking me seriously, but just in case, I offer the following:

Sorry, I thought it was obvious I was being sarcastic by the time I called for installing cameras in outhouses. :)

___________________________
-twency

(That, and the parenthetical comment at the end starting with "seriously", which indicated that maybe I was being less than serious previously.) :)

Calumus
December 2, 2005, 11:31 AM
My mom grew up in a small town in rural New Jersey and one year a local's prize winning HOLSTEIN was shot by a hunter. :banghead:


This doesn't surprise me at all, I live in Blairstown and it doesn't get much more rural than this in NJ. You get some real prizes coming out from NY for weekend trips. Last spring I was out with my dog around dusk and had a car with NY plates slow down as they were driving by, I could hear dad pointing out the "bear" to his kids. They couldn't see me as I was about 15 feet away and on the far side of some bushes, but they had to wonder where the laughter was coming from :) Cheers,
Shawn

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=10866&d=1077464799 here's a pic of my "bear" :)

TallPine
December 2, 2005, 01:41 PM
You get some real prizes coming out from NY for weekend trips.
They should just build a wall around the city and require everyone to pass a competency test to go out into the countryside :p

We knew some friends who spent the summer in a cabin at timberline on a 4wd road in CO. One day some people drove by in Jeep or Blazer or something and said "Look! There's an arctic fox!"

It was their Samoyed, of course :rolleyes:

The Dan in Black
December 3, 2005, 01:20 AM
Calumus,

I think it would be pretty easy to mistake a cane corso for a bear. :rolleyes: That is a cane corso right??

- D

Berek
December 3, 2005, 03:53 AM
They should just build a wall around the city and require everyone to pass a competency test to go out into the countryside :p

It's not just NYC. I get 'em in from Buffalo. I was dating a girl and, on our way to Attica to visit her sister, her step-sister (who lives in Buffalo) looked out into a field of sheep and said "Look at all the cows!"

Most of them were at the fence-line not 10' from the road. Those were the fuzziest cows I've ever seen. Not even that Welsh thing that looks like a steroid-fed Sheepdog was this fuzzy. You know, where you can barely make out the nose through the wool...

Well, sufficive to say, she was laughed at for the rest of the ride.

I won't even get into some of the city students I've had in my classes.

Berek

Brian Dale
December 3, 2005, 05:32 AM
{not completely off topic, I think}:many farmers paint "COW" on the side of their cows each yearMany years ago, a graduate school friend told me that a rancher where he was from in Arizona had done just that to his grazing cattle after he'd had several shot.

He put "C O W" on both sides of each one, in full-body-height letters of fluorescent orange spray paint.

One day when he checked his herd, he found that one of them had been shot right through the middle of the "O."

Some folks are just mean.

akodo
December 3, 2005, 01:27 PM
I once knew an old timer who had spent 18 years in Fish & Game here in Montana. He told a story of an out of state hunter showing off his kill at a game check station. He was really proud of the moose he had killed until it was pointed out to him that moose don't wear iron shoes.



I would really like to know how a guy got a dead horse halled back and put in his pickup so he would be able to drive it down to the gamecheck station.


I grew up on a farm and there was plenty of hunting, but never heard of any real incident of livestock being mistake for game.

Berek
December 3, 2005, 02:49 PM
I would really like to know how a guy got a dead horse halled back and put in his pickup so he would be able to drive it down to the gamecheck station.

I grew up on a farm and there was plenty of hunting, but never heard of any real incident of livestock being mistake for game.

Go back to the beginning of the thread and check the link "Remember the Donkey?"

Berek

shooting time
December 4, 2005, 12:08 AM
Many years ago in NY state the DNR locked up some Puerto Ricans from Brooklyn on their way home from hunting upstate ny with a goat strapped to the fender of their car when they stopped at a deer check station. I also remember seeing cows with COW painted on their sides in a farm in downsville NY.

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