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Mr_Moore
December 1, 2005, 08:13 AM
I am a big fan of "Cops". I have a DVR and record all episodes on all channels. Currently I have 17 episodes to watch.

I like for my kids to watch Cops. I think they can learn a lot about crime and what to avoid, like drunk driving when they get older. (My adult children already know about that one)

I was wondering if most folks here are fans of the show.

I also was wondering if anyone had some favorite episode.

I think there were some episodes where ccw holders were involved in incidents and were not arrested.

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Declaration Day
December 1, 2005, 08:24 AM
I enjoy the show a lot but don't make a point to watch it. If I am flipping through the channels and I see it listed, I usually turn it on.

I saw an episode last night where county sherriffs were pulling a wanted man down out of an attic. While they had their guns pointed up at him, one of the sherriffs had his gun pointed at his partner's head briefly. :eek:

On another episode, the cops were chasing a drunk guy in a Ford Ranger down the freeway. They had blown out his tires and his rims were shooting sparks everywhere. When they finally stopped him, and had him in custody, one of the cops yelled "What the hell is your problem buddy?" To which the suspect replied "I need a beer."

ScottsGT
December 1, 2005, 08:46 AM
I watch that show and feel sorry for the class of people that cops have to deal with and in some strange way understand why cops are stereotyped as being heavy badged, and at the same time, understand why cops can get an attitude towards someone that does not deserve it. Expect the worse, when you deal with the dregs of society 95% of the time.
There was one episode that stands out in my memory of a guy that did not belong on the police force from my view. Just his attitude and the way he spoke of people, and not to mention the physical apperance. Not sloppy, just the extreme opposite. Bulked up muscles, shirt 2 sizes too small to show off his body, shaved head, leather driving gloves ALL THE TIME. He just oozed of testosterone and "I want to bash your head and I can because I have a gun and a badge and big muscles." attitude.

Onmilo
December 1, 2005, 08:51 AM
You could not believe how appreciative a slightly built Police Officer can be when that testosterone oozing musclehead cop shows up at an out of control bar brawl!:neener:

Missashot
December 1, 2005, 09:07 AM
I love the show!
I usually get to watch it every night because I don't sleep well and while my husband is snoring away, I channel surf. And I usually find it on late at night.
Although sometimes I do think some of the cops get a little fired up and get too rough with some of the suspects, but I guess that they are just doing their job.
On another episode, the cops were chasing a drunk guy in a Ford Ranger down the freeway. They had blown out his tires and his rims were shooting sparks everywhere. When they finally stopped him, and had him in custody, one of the cops yelled "What the hell is your problem buddy?" To which the suspect replied "I need a beer."
I think I remember that one. LMAO:p

isp2605
December 1, 2005, 09:15 AM
As a LEO with 34+ yrs I find it embarrassing some of the characters wearing uniforms that they follow around. There are some real hot dogs on there at times.

ScottsGT
December 1, 2005, 09:17 AM
You could not believe how appreciative a slightly built Police Officer can be when that testosterone oozing musclehead cop shows up at an out of control bar brawl!:neener:

I guess everyone has there place, and that would be a good one!

Nathanael_Greene
December 1, 2005, 09:20 AM
I watch the show from time to time, but I find it a little depressing. So many really, really screwed up people out there. The domestic fights are the worst for me. I see the kids in the background, looking like they're a hundred years old, and it breaks my flinty heart.

And way too many segments filmed within a few miles of my house.

It seems like cops hear nothing but lies all day long--that must get exhausting. It's exhausting to watch. "No, this isn't my car." "No, that's not my picture on that driver's license." "I've only had two beers, officer, swear to God." "I wasn't doing nuthin'." "Those aren't my drugs!"

But my favorite episode--from right here in Fort Worth--involves an elderly widow who thinks there's someone in her back yard, so she fires a couple of rounds in the dark while the cops are there. Officer tells her that she's got a right to defend her property, but she needs to be sure what she's shooting at--and reloads her old .38 for her. Somewhere on the East Coast, a liberal had a heart attack watching that, I'm sure!

Declaration Day
December 1, 2005, 09:27 AM
It seems like cops hear nothing but lies all day long--that must get exhausting. It's exhausting to watch. "No, this isn't my car." "No, that's not my picture on that driver's license." "I've only had two beers, officer, swear to God." "I wasn't doing nuthin'." "Those aren't my drugs!"


How about when the cops find drugs in a suspect's pants and he says "Them's not mah pants! I borrowed them from mah cousin!"

Mr_Moore
December 1, 2005, 09:41 AM
I love the show!
I usually get to watch it every night because I don't sleep well and while my husband is snoring away, I channel surf. And I usually find it on late at night.
Although sometimes I do think some of the cops get a little fired up and get too rough with some of the suspects, but I guess that they are just doing their job.



My wife surprised me in that she enjoys the show, too.

I am guessing that we are seeing police on their best behavior. They know the cameras are on.

I know in a lot of the cases, I would have been tempted to give a guy a cheap shot. I am not a police officer and I guess that is a good thing:)

One case in particular annoyed me. This cretin who had beat his girlfriend way lying in a stairwell where he had fallen. He was YO, YO, YO 'in the officers while he called them on repeatedly. Bad attitude to the extreme. I think he might have fallen on his face on the cement if I had to pick him up.

Now if I get that feeling just watching, I wonder what the real situation does to a person, what with the adreniline running high.

I think that cops should be better than me and not drop the guy on his face - I am just saying what I would be tempted to do. Droping him on his face would probably fuel his resentment for his next encounter with the police and could get the officer in trouble. On the other hand, the nit wit might show more respect next time.

Like I said, good thing I am not a cop.

Oh, in a couple of cases I think I did see the bad guy get a cheap shot. The guy was hidden from the cameras and comes up with a bloody mouth or head.

I saw a few episodes of Cops from Russia - they have a WHOLE different attitude.

XLMiguel
December 1, 2005, 09:42 AM
I enjoy "COPS", but it does seem to get repetitive after a while, complete with stereotypes. Way too many drunks with mullets and inverted tooth/tattoo ratio; fat, mouthy, sleaze-bag broads who whouldn't be allowed to own spandex; drugged out skanky hoookers of any race; and plenty of hip-hop gangstas, whose 'nads seem to shrivel when 'the man' shiows up. I'm semi-impressed with the general level of professionalism and compassion on the part of the cops, though, as noted, there are some real hotdogs running with them, too. I couldn't do that job, it's too multi-disciplined (i.e. social worker/proctologist/trashman) for me.

Mr_Moore
December 1, 2005, 09:51 AM
I I couldn't do that job, it's too multi-disciplined (i.e. social worker/proctologist/trashman) for me.

Not to mention underpaid. I had an uncle who retired as a Lieutenant. He made an OK paycheck, but not nearly enough to compensate for the BS/danger he had to put up with.

I vote that all cops get a 100% raise immediatly. :) (I'll even pay the extra taxes to pay for it)

DragonFire
December 1, 2005, 09:53 AM
Actually most of the time I think the cops on the show demostrate alot more restraint than I probably would have.

On one show a cop has his nose broken during a scuffle with a suspect, and still didn't lose his cool.

Yeah, there are some hot-dogs on the show, but I'd expect there be some out there in real life (as there are in every occupation). I think I was more surprised by one officer they were with that was an ex-minister. Quiet guy, but he seemed to be able to handle the situations well.

My favorite episode is with a cop from Miami. They get a call from a wife about her drunk husband. Two cops go into house to talk to guy, who is VERY drunk and wants to get into cop's face. Cop pushes him into a chair, guy pops up, cop pushes him back guy pops up... guy starts to get a little more aggressive as he gets back up ...cops pushes him back and takes out a very long night stick and tells him if he want to swing at him, to go ahead. Guy tells him to beat him if he wants to, ... end result is they drag guy to car in handcuffs, he asks why he's going to jail and cops says because "you're an a..hole!". Guy starts yelling "I'm an a..hole, I'm an a..hole!", When they get him into the car he starts beating his head on the windows.

Thing was, the cop had an attitude that I sort of respect. Not gung-ho, not too much sympathy for the "bad guys", just trying to do his job.

Oldtimer
December 1, 2005, 09:59 AM
FWIW, the "Cops" crew was at my police station for one full week, back in the early 1990's, and went out for "ride-alongs" numerous times. The "crew" consisted of only two people...a camera man and a sound man. Both brought their own body armor along, and they both seemed quite "savvy" about police procedures.

I was the "star" in two segments, but was very reluctant. They "wired" me with a small transmitter in the pocket and a lapel-worn mini-microphone.

During one of the segments, I was working alone and had both of the crew members tagging along right behind me when I was assisting with the search for two armed bank robbers. At the time, I was the only "roving" patrol available to check on a reported "prowler" hiding in the backyard of a residence that was just outside of the search perimeter. The crew followed me to the front door of the person who had reported the "prowler", and I learned that the "prowler" was STILL hiding behind an old washing machine in the backyard. The crew followed as I made my way to that backyard.

Sure enough! There WAS someone hiding behind the washing machine, that was covered by a sheet of plastic! I commanded the man to slowly crawl from underneath the plastic sheeting, keeping his hands in full view. He complied. The crew wanted to get closer, but I told them to back off until I was able to safely take the man into custody. The man was fully cooperative (yes, at gunpoint!), but I waited until another officer arrived before approaching the man. A Sergeant arrived, guarded as I made the approach, and I took the man into custody. Under the old washing machine was a 9mm pistol! Later on, that man was identified as one of the bank robbery suspects!

The "Cops" guys told me that I should have "drop-kicked" the suspect, or at least used SOME SORT of physical force during the arrest....instead of making it look so "easy"! Yeah, RIGHT!

I'm not a big fan of the "Cops" show, probably because I've "been there, done that" during my 31 years in law enforcement. It IS a good show, however, for it is a realistic view of what the police have to put up with.

The crew members told me that, for every 100 hours of filming, only about 30 minutes of it were "worthwhile". Most of the film ended up on the cutting-room floor.

I've always been a proponent for having citizen "ride-alongs" with their local police officers. Most citizens wouldn't WANT that job, for it entails a LOT more than just chasing after bad guys all day and all night! There are long times of "lull", then suddenly a high-priority radio call.
The adrenal system definitely gets a good work-out during a "routine" shift! The majority of police officers are GOOD, HONEST and HARD WORKING individuals. There ARE a few "rotten apples", but that's because of having to recruit from the human species!

A bit of humor: Several years back, my partner and I went into a restaurant for dinner. The waitress brought us our food, and as we were trying to gulp it down (we were limited to 45 minutes), a little old lady walked over to our table. I mean, she looked like YOUR grandma! I said hello, then asked her if there was any problem. She smiled, then said, "Oh, no problem! I just didn't think that they allowed you to....eat!" Politely, I told her that, yes, MOST humans were allowed to eat. She then exclaimed, "But....you're the POLICE!" I reassured her that we weren't the ONLY police in that area that were on-duty. Maybe she thought that we were robots? HMM! (I wonder if it would have surprised her if I had told her that we were also allowed to visit the restroom, when necessary?)

larryf1952
December 1, 2005, 10:14 AM
Like somenoe else said, I watch the show, but I don't normally seek it out. Watching other people's rampant stupidity, and wondering why it's so easy to screw one's life up so badly can be both entertaining and depressing.

There was one show that stands out above all others, though, that ripped my heart out. A female cop in Florida responds to a domestic call...boyfriend beating on girlfriend, same old story. Girlfriend had a 7 year old daughter. She was dressed in a very nice white dress, white socks and black leather shoes, and she was just scared to death. She clung to the female cop and didn't want her to leave. The cop asked her if she wanted to take the boyfriend with her, and the little girl shook her head "yes". How long should I take him away, she asked? The little girl kept holding up fingers, and then adding to the total one by one. The cop ended up telling the little girl she'd come back later and check on her, and the kid wanted so bad to go with the cop...she just wanted to get away, where it was safe.

I wanted to go down there and scoop that little girl up myself and get her out of that crap. I hate that.:mad:

Kramer Krazy
December 1, 2005, 10:23 AM
I really like watching the show, and it really amazes me how stupid most criminals are. In addition to this, the show, and others like it, have really gotten me to hate the people who try to run from the police. I think if a person runs, they deserve anything they get, including getting their a$$es kicked. I think this strong dislike for fleeing criminals prompted me to do this.... http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=168160 this past Sunday.

Mr_Moore
December 1, 2005, 10:49 AM
I really like watching the show, and it really amazes me how stupid most criminals are. In addition to this, the show, and others like it, have really gotten me to hate the people who try to run from the police. I think if a person runs, they deserve anything they get, including getting their a$$es kicked. I think this strong dislike for fleeing criminals prompted me to do this.... http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=168160 this past Sunday.

Since they can not just shoot a fleeing felon, how about bolas. Those are those ropes with 3 balls on them. They are used to tangle in the legs of a running animal or person. I understand they really work! Or maybe a lasso.

Gotta be some better way then just running after them...

Arkie
December 1, 2005, 10:59 AM
I think the best one I like is when a police officer pulled over a drunk driver and while talking to him the officer asked him if he smokes dope. The guy told the officer that he would never touch the stuff and all he does is drink beer.

Then if you looked at the drunks guys ear, behind it was a neatly rolled up joint just waiting to be lit up. LOL...

The officer pulled it out from behind his ear and the guy kept telling him that it wasn't his. :rolleyes:

Car Knocker
December 1, 2005, 11:26 AM
I'm amazed that these idiots actually sign a release so that the whole world can see just how stupid and mentally deficient they are.

GlenJ
December 1, 2005, 11:33 AM
There's some stupidity on the cops part also like sending officers out to entrap 70 year old men for soliciting a hooker. Or catching some kid with a roach and acting like they won the drug war.

Declaration Day
December 1, 2005, 11:42 AM
I'm amazed that these idiots actually sign a release so that the whole world can see just how stupid and mentally deficient they are.

They probably get $20 to spend on their next crack rock in return for signing the release.

El Tejon
December 1, 2005, 12:13 PM
If your children watch "Cops" they will learn that if they have their hair cut properly (non-mullet), leave their shirts on, do not yell at the police, do not greet the police with a beer in their hands and pick up the trash in their lawns (what is it with extraenous metal in your front lawn?), that they will never go to jail.:D

If I want to see a "Cops" episode all I have to do is walk across the street to court.:D My brother calls "Cops" "White People Behaving Badly".

El Tejon's most surreal "Cops" moment: Swinging by to buy ammo and to see my good friend THR member Dan Flory who was working in a bank at a Wal-Mart. Saw a woman, with a house arrest bracelet, smoking a cigarette with one hand, her other arm was amputated (shoulder), on the remainder of the arm there was a tatoo of Marvin the Martian.

Sindawe
December 1, 2005, 12:14 PM
I've been an on and off fan of Cops for years. Yes it does get somewhat repetitive, but then thats the reality of most jobs. A few of my favorite moments from the program:

An early run episode, the officer is talking about how the local latino gangbangers are always complaining about how the cops are arresting them for being hispanic. The officer says......I'm not arresting them on the pretense that they are hispanic, I'm arresting them on the pretense that they are breaking the law. :rolleyes:

Police are responding a call of some sort, and the people are all hysterical for some reason or another. A few of the officers in scene are "take charge" types, but one stands out as different. He's an older fellow, and amists all the screaming and hair pulling, he remains calm, polite and even mannered. Like Sheriff Andy Taylor.

Denver episode, officers are responding to a call with lights and siren in a residential area around City Park. Car goes through an intersection when SCCRREEECH! SMAASH! CRUNCH! Next shot we see two Denver PD cars, both rather banged up, the one the camera crew was in sitting on some chaps front lawn.

Scene opens with officer talking about how he eats six small meals a day, and we can see his turkey sandwich on whole wheat sitting on the dash. He gets a call/ or see someone on a dirt bike that is wanted. Cop gives chaise, and ends up getting the car stuck on the railroad tracks. And there is a train approching! OH NO! :what: The car ends up getting pulled off the tracks, but the poor guy is really freaking out of a while, even running down the tracks a ways to try and stop approching trains. This one has been circulating on the 'Net for a few years.

Werewolf
December 1, 2005, 12:50 PM
I used to watch COPS when it first came out. Now, rarely.

As a reality show it's better than most but I suspect it is highly edited.

It does, however, give one an appreciation for what kind of people LEO's most often have to deal with and an understanding of why they sometimes display an us vs them attitude on occasion.

The show pretty much reinforces my personal belief that one should minimize their dealings with the police at all costs. When one must deal with them officer, sir and/or maam should be liberally sprinkled into any conversation that occurs for two reasons:

1) Most cops deserve the respect those words imply and

2) those that don't deserve our respect may have their I'm in total control here and don't you forget it attitudes tempered a bit.

Cops is an OK show but not one I go out of my way to watch...

Atticus
December 1, 2005, 12:56 PM
I liked the early seasons a lot, and used to watch it every Sat. night. There was a lot more action then. Due to legal liabilities (I think), COPS epidodes drifted to the mundane over the years. Disorderly drunks wearing wifebeaters, and losers pulled over with expired plates (and in posession of crackpipes) just isn't all that exciting. But I still watch it once in awhile.
It's nice to watch the dregs of society from afar. I don't envy the job.

Pistol Toter
December 1, 2005, 01:03 PM
Yeah, I watch it fairly regular. It's a good comedy! Reminds me of the Keystone Cops, and Charlie Chapman; real slapstick. :banghead:

MD_Willington
December 1, 2005, 01:14 PM
One of the guys from my Highschool was on Cops...

All you could see was his back as he ran away...

MD

jwmoore
December 1, 2005, 01:35 PM
I don't necessarily seek the show out, but I will watch it if it's on. I enjoy watching how effective some of the less than lethal toys they carry are.

I recall one episode where they tazered a big guy who was being combative. He went right down. I think he got zapped a few times before he calmed down. When he got up, he said something like "Damn that hurt." And the officer said something like "But isn't it nice how quickly you recover?"

I also recall an episode where an officer was holding the driver of a vehicle at gunpoint with his right hand, while twisting the driver's left arm out the window with the officer's own left. The driver tried to drive away as the officer filled the car with an orange cloud of pepper spray. For some reason, I always find myself cheering in anticipation when I detect the pepper spray about to come out. :evil:

~W

acdodd
December 1, 2005, 02:00 PM
Not to mention underpaid. I had an uncle who retired as a Lieutenant. He made an OK paycheck, but not nearly enough to compensate for the BS/danger he had to put up with.

I vote that all cops get a 100% raise immediatly. :) (I'll even pay the extra taxes to pay for it)

They figured out how to make more already.

Over the past five years, Mike Miner has made a six-figure income, earning between $123,213 and $187,787 a year. He's not a doctor, lawyer or software engineer. He's a patrol deputy with the King County Sheriff's Office

That is a LOT of OT no matter what you do for a living.

http://archives.seattletimes.nwsource.com/cgi-bin/texis.cgi/web/vortex/display?slug=overtime30m&date=20051130&query=police+overtime

Creeping Incrementalism
December 1, 2005, 04:01 PM
Some people say cops don't get paid alot, to which I say, they should move to California. Some of the highest-paid public employees are police or prison guards, taking in the overtime like it's going out of style. Everytime there's a newspaper article about it, there is a long list of cops (not chiefs or anything like that) making over $100 G's a year by taking in the overtime.

I love Cops the TV show (except for the prostitution stings).... catch it every chance I get, and have seen many of the incidents described in this thread. On Saturday nights, after Cops is over, I switch to Comedy Central and watch Reno 911.

My favorite Cops moments: New Orleans, where one officer accidentally pepper-sprayed another in a scuffle to take down some lunatic, and some other city (forget which) where the suspect's car hit the stop-sticks sideways, knocked them out of the way, and then a pursuing police vehicle ran over them and had to quit the chase.

One thing about the show, it shows you how pepper spray is virtually worthless, and tazers are quite iffy.

O.F.Fascist
December 1, 2005, 05:28 PM
I like for my kids to watch Cops. I think they can learn a lot about crime and what to avoid, like drunk driving when they get older. (My adult children already know about that one)

I cant say I'm a big fan of cops, but I do watch it from time to time.

When I'm watching I'm totally thinking, what would I have to do, say, or not say to get out of whatever situation the criminal has put himself into.

I also watch to learn what tricks the cops use to get people to incriminate themselves so that should I ever find myself in a similar situation I will not fall into thier traps.

GRIFFIN1
December 1, 2005, 06:07 PM
In one episode, this woman bought crack from a crack house. She then walked down the street and called the cops. When the cops got there, she told them about how she just bought the crack from the house down the street, and she wanted them to go down there and arrest them. Instead of busting the crack dealers, they took the woman to jail for possession.

ka50
December 1, 2005, 06:23 PM
The show is ok, but I don't watch it a lot.

What I hate is show called "wildest police videos" or something along those lines with this idiot as a commentator... not sure what his name is, but in one episode cops were arresting a dui driver and found a pistol and 2 mags tucked in his pants. The commentator made it look like it was something bad and evil. The guy who was getting arrested was totally cool though, cooperating with police and wasn't violent or anything. Just excercising his birth given right to carry a weapon.

The scumbag commentator used to be a LEO too... I wanted to find his email to write him what I think of him, but he's not listed anywhere.

jwmoore
December 1, 2005, 06:45 PM
The scumbag commentator [of Wildest Police Videos] used to be a LEO too... I wanted to find his email to write him what I think of him, but he's not listed anywhere.
I believe you're referring to Sheriff John Bunnell.
http://uk.geocities.com/johnbunnelluk/images/jb.jpg

FWIW.

MAURICE
December 1, 2005, 08:41 PM
Someone mentioned a guy riding the Tazer.
Hurts like a mother, but yeah, it is over quickly.
Not so with OC spray.

Most of the people in LE are good people that want to help. Some are the bullies you ran into in high school. Before anyone jumps me I am LE. This is what I see.

The domestic stuff is sometimes funny. Bring both of em to jail and they sit there handcuffed to a bench. "I love you baby" "I love you too! They can't take me away from you" Etc, even though 20 minutes ago they were trying to kill one another. Not funny with kids involved. If you cannot argue without resulting to throwing punches you do not need to breed.

The episode where the Officer hit the RR tracks- saw that. It hurt my butt when he hit those tracks!

Maurice

jcoiii
December 1, 2005, 09:39 PM
I have a blast watching the show. Of course, while I was at the academy, we made lots of fun of some of the officers. There are some major errors sometimes by those cops, like one mentioned earlier about covering their partner's head.

But, yeah, those types of criminals are out there.

ALASKACAJUN
December 1, 2005, 09:42 PM
Well I guess I would be selling myself short by not giving a reply...

I used to watch COPS and was enthralled in the show, but no longer enjoy it! My brother-in-law became an officer of the law a few years ago. If I had to pick a person that would be "qualified" to be an officer then I wouldchoose him. He is well mannered, gentle, and is very patient... The first place they sent him as a rookie was the worst part of town, South-west Louisiana, Crackville USA!!! Everytime i talk to him it gets worse, his attitude about Blacks and people in generalgets worse. He has told me that he pulls people over for "looking at me wrong!" I'm sorry, I'm a veteran and believe that I'm a FREE MAN in these United States and believe that nobody has a right to pull me over for looking at them wrong! But I guess I stand corrected, I have a hard time believing that there is somebody out there that is getting paid with MY tax money that has that much power.......:fire: I think that the police deserve every dollar that they earn, but I hate that someof them have been effected by the job to the extent that they play GOD.....

- Clint

ScottsGT
December 2, 2005, 08:00 AM
Clint,
Your post made me think of something. With PO being placed in rough areas and only exposed to that class of people, in my opinion, the PD's ought to start a program where officers can travel to different towns and citys around the country to experience different walks of life. Obviously, the officer with kids in schools and wives with professions are not going to be able to participate, but maybe rookies or those with fewer years experience could try a program out like this?
Thoughts on this officers?

Zach S
December 2, 2005, 08:49 AM
I'll watch it if its on. I dont get too often because of my sleep schedule.

Its just about the only TV show I watch. I normally have the TV on a music channel or a movie.

I think the best one I like is when a police officer pulled over a drunk driver and while talking to him the officer asked him if he smokes dope. The guy told the officer that he would never touch the stuff and all he does is drink beer.

Then if you looked at the drunks guys ear, behind it was a neatly rolled up joint just waiting to be lit up. LOL...

The officer pulled it out from behind his ear and the guy kept telling him that it wasn't his. :rolleyes:
I remember a simular episode. The suspect was actually pretty cooperative.

hammer4nc
December 2, 2005, 09:57 AM
"COPS" pretty well chronicles the devolution of current law enforcement, and its preoccupation with drugs...examples:

> Cops choking some guy out to recover "evidence"; usually a few rocks...high fives all around after this successful le operation.

> Coordinated "buy-busts", where the (usually junior) cop on the takedown squad is responsible for seizing the property. When the guy is arrested for buying a dime from the uc, the first question asked is: "Do you own this car?"...the podunk pd has to fund their new night vision equipment, don't they? Recall one young high school girl whose Camaro was a gift from her grandmother..."well we're going to own it now!!" >>Good bust; high fives. LE depts. benefitting financially from arrests is a cancer that is spreading.

Nowadays, it has become common practice for cops to break the law; to enforce the law. Everyone should read judge Napolitano's book on this topic.

Example: UC cops selling dope on the street (from the evidence locker). Our law-and-order members here will quote chapter and verse on the current "entrapment" philosophy (suspect was predisposed to commit the crime, so no violation..nudge, wink). For the members who say: cops have to abide by the same laws as everyone else...how come the cop-uc-dealer isn't also arrested for dealing dope? In general, drug warriors have embraced deception wholeheartedly, the ends justify the means. And they expect everyone to believe that this attitude doesn't bleed over to sworn testimony, in order to take down the (in their mind guilty) pos dirtbag (using the most common parlance from glocktalk/coptalk). Human nature, I guess.

For those ready to flame me for bashing, please first make a convincing argument that citizen trust and respect for le is getting better; while laws bcome more intrusive, and cops in general start looking more like isolated soldiers in a hostile environment.

Curare
December 2, 2005, 01:21 PM
Cops is like a time capsule--I love watching the shows from the 80s!

jcoiii
December 2, 2005, 03:55 PM
"COPS" pretty well chronicles the devolution of current law enforcement, and its preoccupation with drugs...examples:

> Cops choking some guy out to recover "evidence"; usually a few rocks...high fives all around after this successful le operation.

> Coordinated "buy-busts", where the (usually junior) cop on the takedown squad is responsible for seizing the property. When the guy is arrested for buying a dime from the uc, the first question asked is: "Do you own this car?"...the podunk pd has to fund their new night vision equipment, don't they? Recall one young high school girl whose Camaro was a gift from her grandmother..."well we're going to own it now!!" >>Good bust; high fives. LE depts. benefitting financially from arrests is a cancer that is spreading.

Nowadays, it has become common practice for cops to break the law; to enforce the law. Everyone should read judge Napolitano's book on this topic.

Example: UC cops selling dope on the street (from the evidence locker). Our law-and-order members here will quote chapter and verse on the current "entrapment" philosophy (suspect was predisposed to commit the crime, so no violation..nudge, wink). For the members who say: cops have to abide by the same laws as everyone else...how come the cop-uc-dealer isn't also arrested for dealing dope? In general, drug warriors have embraced deception wholeheartedly, the ends justify the means. And they expect everyone to believe that this attitude doesn't bleed over to sworn testimony, in order to take down the (in their mind guilty) pos dirtbag (using the most common parlance from glocktalk/coptalk). Human nature, I guess.

For those ready to flame me for bashing, please first make a convincing argument that citizen trust and respect for le is getting better; while laws bcome more intrusive, and cops in general start looking more like isolated soldiers in a hostile environment.

Please call your local PD and tell them that since they are all law breakers and criminals that you no longer want their assistance in any future incidents that may arrise. After all, wouldn't want a single cop around because they are all dirty.:banghead:

Leave it to someone to turn a thread about a tv show into cop-bashing

Cosmoline
December 2, 2005, 04:08 PM
I find the show interesting. It always amazes me how many suspects who have a LOT to hide in their cars will nevertheless consent to a search. And sure enough the cops find the drugs. What were they thinking?!

It's also a bit disturbing to see the attitudes of many big-city cops, esp. back east, to firearms. It often doesn't seem like I'm watching something filmed in the US, but rather the UK.

Sindawe
December 2, 2005, 04:23 PM
Leave it to someone to turn a thread about a tv show into cop-bashingPointing out the corrupting influence that asset forfeiture prior to conviction has on law enforcement hardly constitutes "cop-bashing".Please call your local PD and tell them that since they are all law breakers and criminals that you no longer want their assistance in any future incidents that may arrise.That is already the frame of mind *I* have with respect to the police. They serve as record takers and filers of documents that the courts and insurance companies require, nothing more.

The courts have judged that *I* and *I* alone am responsible for my safety and well being. I have no problem with that, I take care of myself just fine w/o the assistance of "Office Friendly", his trained currs, sticky fingers and tactics of deception.

Yes, asset forfeiture is hot button with me. I'll sooner burn my property to ashes rather than let it fall into the coffers of the police.

Old Dog
December 2, 2005, 04:35 PM
Pointing out the corrupting influence that asset forfeiture prior to conviction has on law enforcement hardly constitutes "cop-bashing".
Well no, looks as though the cop-bashing started about seven posts before that one ...

It's also a bit disturbing to see the attitudes of many big-city cops, esp. back east, to firearmsI agree with that, for sure. Funny though, one of the last episodes I caught was with some of our local boys (Pierce County, WA SO), a guy and his girlfriend were being hassled, but the suspect complained the guy had a gun ... the officers simply had the guy show where he was packing (a fanny pack) and glanced at his CPL, and he was good to go. Contrast that with an episode depicting (IIRC) Boston PD and a little potmetal .32 or .380 they pulled out of a car; those boys acted as though they'd just captured Bin Laden carrying an M-60 ... (then the officer couldn't even figure out how to clear the pistol, think it was a Davis or a Lorcin) ...

Cosmoline
December 2, 2005, 05:57 PM
I remember that Boston PD one. The officer was really show boating about the whole thing.

One good thing to come from the series is it shows how much of the day-to-day work of cops involves either drug enforcement or domestic violence. It's not a job I'd want that's for sure. When does wrestling unwashed shirtless meth heads ever get fun?

hammer4nc
December 2, 2005, 06:22 PM
ecoli posted:
Leave it to someone to turn a thread about a tv show into cop-bashing
Now, to quote Sin LaSalle in the movie "Be Cool": "Must you play into the stereotypes?":)

Rather than repeating the latest installment of troll patrol, I was more hoping for some discussion re:

A defense of asset/forfeiture funding local departments (esp. sans conviction). You think its a good thing, I take it?

Discussion of the war on drugs, how use of deception ENHANCES citizen respect for law enforcement, and/or how it could never adversely affect sworn testimony or written affadavits. Breaking the law to enforce the law is a good thing?

Heck, I'd even settle for some discussion of how cops never eat at fast food joints because they're afraid of phlegm condiments added without request; how this is a reflection of good citizen relations.

One thing about COPS (the tv show) that's a real enigma: One assumes the chief has veto power over any clips that are broadcast, and the ones we see on TV are meant to portray his dept. in the "best" light.:uhoh:

Old Dog
December 2, 2005, 06:32 PM
I was more hoping for some discussion re:

A defense of asset/forfeiture funding local departments (esp. sans conviction). You think its a good thing, I take it?

Discussion of the war on drugs, how use of deception ENHANCES citizen respect for law enforcement, and/or how it could never adversely affect sworn testimony or written affadavits. Breaking the law to enforce the law is a good thing?

Heck, I'd even settle for some discussion of how cops never eat at fast food joints because they're afraid of phlegm condiments added without request; how this is a reflection of good citizen relations.
What does all this have to do with a discussion about a television show?

Seems to me you could just as easily start threads dedicated to those topics rather than work in all your negative viewpoints of law enforcement into a thread that really is just about the TV program ...

Unisaw
December 2, 2005, 06:42 PM
Cops is a great way to show your kids how stupid people act when they are drunk. I watch it fairly often. I too like the old episodes with the giant radios and revolvers.:)

hammer4nc
December 2, 2005, 08:36 PM
Seems to me you could just as easily start threads dedicated to those topics rather than work in all your negative viewpoints of law enforcement into a thread that really is just about the TV program ...

Thanks for the heads up, old dog...I'll be sure to check with you before discussing any topic you may disagree with, buddy. Maybe you could post a list of your prohibited topics a priori, just so we'll all be on the same page?:neener:

Old Dog
December 2, 2005, 09:28 PM
Anytime, Hammer. Glad to be of service. Just that I came over here for a little light general gun discussion in this was a thread asking about favorite episodes of a TV show and you went and dragged in some stuff that's been talked to death in L&P ... BTW, I don't believe in asset forfeiture, either.

pete f
December 5, 2005, 05:27 AM
My favorites are pretty much when the hot dog cop gets shown to be fool.

All time fave was with an older, well dressed and well built black man in what looked to be a nice neighborhood walking home from the grocery store with two full bags of groceries... COPs guy has a wide shot and showes that there were several police surrounding him and officer was yelling at him to drop the bags and put his hands in the air. Black Citizen says he would be happy to cooperate if he could just put his bags on his porch, "I got 40 dollars worth of steaks and two dozen eggs, Let me just set them down." both of his hands are clearly visible and empty. More screaming of commands from the officers, and finally a younger male cop runs up and just hoses the black man in the face with Mace. The citizen goes to his knees and tries to set the bags down, and as he does he is jumped on by several officers. He is screaming "why why why" as they try to wrestle him down. The pepper spray officer tries to spray the citizen again and the black heavily muscled arm grabs the spray and twists the wrist around and manages a full facial spray into the officers mouth and nose. "How you like that b%*ch" comes a scream from the citizen, Much later is a shot of the officer who the cCOPS crew riding with attempting to down play the whole thing saying that they had gotten bad intell on who the perp was. ... and the officer who received the face shot of Mace was still sitting in the front yard with a garden hose held to his face.

The other horrible part is the pisspoor ability of the Officers to ID weapons. One LE looking down the barrel of a small beretta to say what caliber it was, and when it got turned back, the hammer was cocked. Another where three LE's were struggling to open the Cylinder on a SW 36. My son caught one just the other day, Officer pulls back slide and watches round leave the barrel and then he releases the slide and then drops the magazine. leaves the weapon on the hood of the care with a round in the barrel. Another one where the Officer picks up a sawn off shotgun SXS and they take fifteen seconds of wiggling the safety off and on before they try to move the lock lever to the side and open the action...

In many of the episodes, I am sure the editing room is used to portray some personal feelings too. There was one guy who was on quite a bit, from New Mexico and I am pretty sure the editors liked him because he really came out smeeling like a rose. He may have been a nice guy, but he seemed to know all the perps by the first name, they all just seemed to relax in his presence and talked to him real civil. there were a few guys from Broward County who got the "moron" treatment from the editors, where it was cut to show the guy as a hard head and often borderline animal in treating arrestees.

second all time fave is the Naked guy in the barbershop in Pitt or philly.

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