Do rap music videos ever display firearms?


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MatthewVanitas
December 1, 2005, 12:53 PM
[Before I begin, I do realize that many THR members do not consider rap to be music. Duly noted, no need to post any "rap is crap" jokes.]

During discussions of favorite "gun songs", many THR members have posted quotes from rap music in which various firearms are mentioned. That set me to wondering: when they film a music video for such songs, do they show the firearms mentioned?

Similar to the way in which expensive cars or jewelry are flaunted in videos, are gun collections ever shown off? Or does MTV's odd sense of priorities preclude showing The Demon Gun?

-MV

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Ukraine Train
December 1, 2005, 01:12 PM
I think MTV has a policy about not showing music videos with guns in them.

simon
December 1, 2005, 01:33 PM
Considering that a lot of rappers are felons of one type another........

"course I don't have mtv and wouldn't watch it if I did......

BUBBA74
December 1, 2005, 01:38 PM
I think MTV has a policy about not showing music videos with guns in them.
Yup!

But i've seen em on CMT though.

MatthewVanitas
December 1, 2005, 01:46 PM
Sounds cool, what do they show in CMT videos? Just old grandpa's shotgun, or do musicians carry sidearms while playing? I believe the frontman for Blues Traveler has done stage shows while open carrying a pistol.


MTV does has some odd policies. My favorite gun-editing moment (not from rap) was from the video for "Teenage Dirtbag" by Wheatus. MTV took the line

"You're boyfriend's a (mild obscenity), he brings a gun to school"

and then bleeped not only the (mild obscenity), but also the word "gun". The best part was that the lead singer in the video, knowing that he would be bleeped when it aired, rolled his eyes on both bleeped terms.

Out of all the words that you can say on MTV, I was surprised that "gun" wasn't one of them. That seems a tad harsh.

Dr.Rob
December 1, 2005, 07:01 PM
MTV blurs out a lot of odd things... logos on products/signage, marijuana leaves on some shirts... the handgun stuffed in the back of someone's pants at a house party (Ice Cube, "It was a good day.").

They have gotten worse about it of late.

Mannlicher
December 1, 2005, 08:06 PM
I have never watched one.

Rosstradamus
December 1, 2005, 08:08 PM
"Mega Mix" by 2 Live Crew (circa 1992) features an AR-15 in a couple of shots. The man holding it is apparently providing security for a pool party.

I didn't see the video on MTV. It was on The Box, which was a music channel that I think has since gone toes up.

Kurush
December 1, 2005, 08:29 PM
I heard a story that when Moby (not a rapper but on topic anyway) decided to make an MTV video of "That's when I reach for my revolver", MTV rejected it and suggested that he change it to "That's when I reach for my chihuahua".

By the way, the reason that they blur out those shirts is that Viacom cable channels have a policy of not showing any brand logos unless they get a product placement fee.

Zundfolge
December 1, 2005, 08:30 PM
Yup!

But i've seen em on CMT though.

Why are there rap videos on CMT? :confused:

Cousin Mike
December 1, 2005, 08:54 PM
During discussions of favorite "gun songs", many THR members have posted quotes from rap music in which various firearms are mentioned. That set me to wondering: when they film a music video for such songs, do they show the firearms mentioned?

-MV

Not anymore. Btw, I listen to rap and watch videos, etc...

Around 1991 or so, censorship became the priority... Before that you saw guns in rap videos all the time - and not just in rap videos either. Like everyone else, rather than focus on the issues that make young people pick up guns and commit crimes - like complete and total urban decay, lack of opporunity, education, etc. - everyone who was anyone in music seemed to jump to the conclusion that it was young people SEEING guns in music videos that causes violence. They blamed the movies, the music, the lyrics, the message, and the imagery instead of the people the blame really needs placed on... These kid's parents! When guns got censored, they focused on lyrics. After that (and to this day), the hot topic in rap is the way women are depicted in the lyrics and videos...

Back to guns...

At first it was rap videos only being censored, until Pearl Jam's video "Jeremy" debuted - now they could blame imagery for not only gun crimes like murder, but teenage suicide as well :rolleyes: Back then, they only censored images of guns.. Now they censor anything having to do with a gun, even in the lyrics. Things like caliber, make, model, material, etc... That's the reason 1/2 of the song lyrics are removed when you hear the song on the radio, or see the video. You can't say something like "Nine millimeter" or "fifty caliber" on the radio or in music videos anymore. Most times, they cut the words so extensively, you can't get a complete sentence. They're not cutting the F-word, or anything truly profane. They're cutting out something about a gun.

The reason cars and jewelry are all you see in rap videos? that's basically all they're allowed to show anymore until 3am.

Harry Tuttle
December 1, 2005, 09:01 PM
http://www.wnd.com/images2/lovebelow.jpg

f4t9r
December 1, 2005, 09:02 PM
I do not listen or care for Rap music
my daughter brought some disc home they make great targets for shooting

charliemopic
December 1, 2005, 11:38 PM
I've never watched a rap video.
Don't wanna either.

jefnvk
December 1, 2005, 11:40 PM
Watch if you ever see if one of Nuge's concerts is gonna be on either CMT or MTV. I can guarantee you will see guns, or a lot of blurry spots.

Oleg Volk
December 2, 2005, 12:56 AM
One of my students made a prety good rap video: it was about working hard, studying, doing art and succeeding in life. Rap as a genre doesn't to be about violence.

iiibdsiil
December 2, 2005, 01:49 AM
Come on Oleg, get a clue! :neener:

MTV is horrible when it comes to bleeping stuff out. Things that make you go :banghead: when you realize what this world is coming to.

Johnny_Yuma
December 2, 2005, 04:23 AM
Willie Nelson, and The Louvin Brothers.

What are "videos" you are talking about?:neener:

MarkDido
December 2, 2005, 05:02 AM
Y'all have got to come up to speed....

It's not rap anymore, it's "hip-hop"

Peace out, yo (or words to that effect)

Zach S
December 2, 2005, 10:01 AM
Why are there rap videos on CMT? :confused:
Well, Cowboy Troy tries to rap...

Cousin Mike pretty much summed it up. Although MTV cuts a lot more lyrics out than the radio stations I can pick up.

Not long ago on MTV jams I saw a Naughty By Nature video (hip hop hooray, I think) where at the end of it, it looks like there's going to be shootout. And there was, they were shooting super-soakers. The super soakers were blurred:confused:

VirgilCaine
December 2, 2005, 10:02 AM
The reason cars and jewelry are all you see in rap videos? that's basically all they're allowed to show anymore until 3am.

1st Amendment, alive and well...:barf:

armoredman
December 2, 2005, 10:33 AM
i excercise my power of choice by not watching MTV. I watch OLN, where they have LOTs of guns, and gun programs.

c_yeager
December 2, 2005, 11:51 AM
i excercise my power of choice by not watching MTV.

You dont actually have to worry about seeing any music on MTV these days. They stopped running videos a couple of years ago. Now its the "reality TV netword". Even for their "music" based shows they dont bother showing a video in its entirety.

ocabj
December 2, 2005, 11:55 AM
You dont actually have to worry about seeing any music on MTV these days. They stopped running videos a couple of years ago. Now its the "reality TV netword". Even for their "music" based shows they dont bother showing a video in its entirety.

You need to get the other MTV channels to see videos. MTV2, MTV Hits, MTV Jams, MTV Espanol. I get those along with the secondary channels for the other music video networks (ie: CMT, VH1, etc). I didn't specifically ask for any of this stuff with my cable package, but it's all bundled together.

Zundfolge
December 2, 2005, 01:38 PM
Rap as a genre doesn't to be about violence.

No and cookies as a food don't have to be fattening ... it just happens that most are, therefore the entirety of cookiedom gets labeled as fattening.

Yes there are low fat cookies, but who wants them? Most of the cookie consumers out there WANT their cookies to be fattening.


(my point being that the reason Rap is often about violence is because its fans like it that way)

trickyasafox
December 2, 2005, 03:13 PM
BET shows some i think. im pretty sure though mtv doesn't. that being said if you dont watch mtv you've never even heard of BET. i like rap. people argue its not music, but i disagree. people said the same thing about rock and roll before i was born there is no difference here.

either way dont hate mtv hate viacom they own everything! huge huge huge corporation.

if you want music, MTV U is pretty good. its the college station. pretty much music all the time. some pretty good stuff that isnt actually mainstream yet either. not all rap is about violence. nor are all rappers felons. yea some have problems with the law, but then again so do a bunch of country stars. for that matter a bunch of stars in general do too, so i really dont think thats a useful comparison

Patera
December 2, 2005, 05:28 PM
I'm only familiar with Wu-Tang music videos (i have a collection of em). The only music video with guns shown is "Careful (click, click)". It has such atrocious gun-handling that it is downright funny (look at U-God as he's returning fire at the LL Cool J look-alike).

I like rap videos (i.e. gratuitous female pelvic gyrations). I'll watch some of them, but I'll only listen to a select few (Wu-Tang, Gang Starr and Rakim, to name a few...). They're what the MUTE button is for (that, and commercials).

gotta go burn me a Charley Pride cd....

Zach S
December 2, 2005, 05:36 PM
You dont actually have to worry about seeing any music on MTV these days. They stopped running videos a couple of years ago. Now its the "reality TV netword". Even for their "music" based shows they dont bother showing a video in its entirety.
They normally have videos going at 07:00, which is normally when I get home from work.

beaucoup ammo
December 2, 2005, 06:05 PM
About the same time we saw .22 handgun in a Guns & Roses video.. the last one(gun) ever intentionally aired on MTV. Wasn't it about then the Washington Bullets changed to the Wizards?

Lots of collateral Brady business went into effect about then..early '90's.

Take Care

jsalcedo
December 2, 2005, 06:17 PM
1st Amendment, alive and well


The Amendment protects against government censorship or retaliation.

MTV can bleep out or blur out anything they want for any or no reason at all.

kngflp
December 2, 2005, 06:20 PM
Rap and hip hop are not the same.

trickyasafox
December 2, 2005, 06:36 PM
wait didnt mtv used to air Nirvana all the time? they had a gun or two in their videos

Phyphor
December 2, 2005, 06:36 PM
But Skid Row's "18 and life" video shows a revolver being used by a drunken idiot teen to shoot bottles and crap, (and then it's used to kill his buddy, hence the "18 and life" title.

beaucoup ammo
December 2, 2005, 07:19 PM
Curious as to where this was aired. "Mainstream" MTV which,IMO, has become a venue for Reality Shows and unwatchable mindless pap? Or their secondary and tertiary channels which, in fact, air videos?

I doubt..could be wrong.. that MTV would air "guns" in the context of a rap video on it's flagship.

Take Care

Drysdale
December 2, 2005, 07:35 PM
I think MTV has a policy about not showing music videos with guns in them.

MTV shows videos? :what:

Phyphor
December 2, 2005, 08:07 PM
Curious as to where this was aired. "Mainstream" MTV which,IMO, has become a venue for Reality Shows and unwatchable mindless pap? Or their secondary and tertiary channels which, in fact, air videos?

I doubt..could be wrong.. that MTV would air "guns" in the context of a rap video on it's flagship.

Take Care

It's an old 80s rock video, AFAIK they USED to show it before they got all pussified.

outofbattery
December 2, 2005, 08:14 PM
It's funny but it's the contex of how the gun is shown or mentioned.Lots of non-rap songs got edited too but,for example,Greenday's recent video taking place in Iraq was chock full of guns and gun violence.

Dr.Rob
December 2, 2005, 08:38 PM
Funniest thing I ever heard a rap artist say... "ain't nobody got more songs about killin' than Johnny Cash"

:cool:

Damn straight.

spacemanspiff
December 2, 2005, 08:45 PM
a couple system of a down's videos have guns. i recall 'sugar' had an old lady showing a small pistol in her purse.

"i got a gun the other day from sako
its cute its small fits right in my pocket"


megadeths video for 'die dead enough', they not only edit the word gun, but they blur when mustaine makes pistols with his thumb and fore finger during the line 'cant shoot straight enough'.

i dont recall them ever blurring the gun in Guns n roses video for, either november rain, or estranged, or dont cry. at least two of those videos had guns, one a long barreled revolver, the other a 1911 of some sort.

the video for 'green jello's 'three little pigs' had a claymation rambo with a saw mowing down the big bad wolf. 'yo wolfface i'm yo worst nightmare, your butt is mine'.

the video for mudvaynes 'dig' didnt edit out the line 'let me help you hold the glock against your head'.

KONY
December 2, 2005, 11:20 PM
Rap and hip hop are not the same.

+1!

MatthewVanitas
December 3, 2005, 01:50 AM
One of the things that got me to thinking on the subject was the music videos on ArabSat. ArabSat must have a dozen channels that show nothing but music videos (Arabic, Indian, and American).

I was really amused by some of the videos of semi-traditional Arabic music, where guys in white robes and headdresses would sing in the traditional style, while posing with their possee, in front of their new SUVs, next to their Bedouin tents out in the desert. A lot of those videos featured Kalashnikovs, but not in a violent context. They were used kind of like how canes are used in some Arab music; i.e. there would be a row of kneeling men behind the singer swaying their Kalashnikovs in time with the music, or standing men spinning a folded-stock Kalashnikov in an upraised hand.

Now _that_ I would love to see in an American video.

The "traditional" videos on ArabSat did lack the booty-shaking of hip-hop videos, but some of the Lebanese videos... Apparently Saudi and Lebanon are very, very different places.

kngflp
December 4, 2005, 12:01 PM
Spaceman: How many times did the video for sugar ever actually get played...had it not been for the internet I would have never seen it,I think I heard it on the radio maybe once...remember that was before system of a down was cool.

aguyindallas
December 4, 2005, 11:10 PM
I cant remember which 50 Cent song it is, but there is a line about a Brand New Sig and a an old revolver....

Something like that. As for the video...never seen it, cant say. I was just impressed to here him say "Sig" because so many rap songs say "Glock" and it just makes me think they dont know any other guns and just sing about the hype of a Glock

(Not that I am even remotely saying that Glocks are a "hype")

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