Anyone play paintball?


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arinvolvo
April 4, 2003, 03:37 AM
I do....and have for 8 years or so...Love it....

If paintball can teach anything, it will teach you how much you DO NOT want to be in a gunfight....It will teach you just how easy it is to get yourself all shot up.

However it has also taught me some gun and trigger control under stressed situations...I dont know how the stress level differs between an ACTUAL gun fight and paintball, but I know that with 30 seconds left in a finals qualifying game, being the last member of your team on the field, and having 4 opponents coming after you...I can hear the blood pounding in my ears...my hands shake furiously....and my legs quiver even 15 minutes AFTER the game has finished...Adrenalin city!!!

Having electronic triggers with 1/4 millimeter of travel, and a couple grams trigger pull will teach you to keep your finger off the trigger in a hurry...Your toes cant take that much punishment...and it will also teach you the importance of keeping the weapon aimed in a safe direction at all times.

It has also taught me the importance of firing from cover...snap shooting, shot placement, and follow up shots...I think that it is all invaluable stuff if you ever had to use a weapon for self defence (God forbid).

Anyway, if you havent figured yet...I like pictures, so here are some pics of my current peices...The Impulse, and the Shocker, both electronic guns...

The shocker select fire capable of 11.2 shots per second on full atuo *the limit of the gun's microprocessing capabilities

The Impulse capable of 15 shots per second in SEMI auto...as long as you can get your trigger finger going that fast, which actually isnt all that hard. (1/4 mm pull).

Shocker:

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=208942

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arinvolvo
April 4, 2003, 03:38 AM
Impulse: notice both guns have 1911 style grip frames with 1911 Ajax pearlite grips. Very UN tactical

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=208943:cool:

arinvolvo
April 4, 2003, 03:41 AM
Me getting nasty on some fools with my Shocker at a tournament in Camp Pendelton military base, California.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=208944

Kharn
April 4, 2003, 08:04 AM
My buddies (and girlfriend) and I play backyard ball when we get the chance. Most of us have Stingrays (dont laugh, I've got a small machine shop and mine are no where near stock :D ) or entry level Spyder-type guns. We dont play that often anymore, though, due to college and all of us getting into real guns.

Kharn

AJ Dual
April 4, 2003, 10:03 AM
While the paintball markers are very different from real firearms, and the muscle-memory you develop is going to probably only be helpfull on the paintball field, I will back anyone who says:

If paintball can teach anything, it will teach you how much you DO NOT want to be in a gunfight....It will teach you just how easy it is to get yourself all shot up.

Because it has exactly been my experience as well.

- Paintball is definitely somewhat instructive as to a small taste of what "The fog of war" is all about.

- How easy it is to get shot in a major firefight. And how often it is on your head, or an exposed leg untill you learn to look quickly and use cover effectively.

- The difference between concealment and cover.

- How teamwork, planning, and communication is very important. The team that does wins, the team that dosen't loses.

- You grow eyes on the back of your head, and learn not to let yourself get flanked.

- How easy "friendly fire incedents" can happen if you don't have the afore mentioned planning and communication.

After learning how to do all of that effectively, you realize just how hard it would be to do all the above in a real firefight where the fear, surprise, and stress level is infinitely higher.

It's a fun game that is also a good way to gain some perspective.

zahc
April 4, 2003, 10:11 AM
yall already said it all. But yeah I have a tippy 98 custom and play whenever I can find someone to play with.:D

George Hill
April 4, 2003, 10:38 AM
I'm a huge paintball fan and an amature "airsmith".
I used to play big time. Captained several times. One team I had down in St George, we went to this big tournament and played some huge pro-team I think it was Team USA or something... We tied. No coverage because the cats from the paintball rags stayed in Vegas instead of coming up to Ceder City where we had over a foot of snow. Dang it. That was 8 years ago. The last marker I had was a customized Cocker. Nothing flashy looking... a sleeper. But it was tricked out inside hard core... low pressure kit, venturi bolt, and about 300 bucks worth of other goodies and custom barrels.

I still have my mask system. V-Force Shield. BEST MASK EVER.

gun-fucious
April 4, 2003, 11:31 AM
i have been known to squander precious bling bling on liquid filled orbs of doom. Heres my Team:
http://www.dead-by-dawn.org/
2 weekends ago we started buliding a scale model of a basalista with a 2 inch internal PB cannon for the Twin Towers Senario (http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=164510) at EMR this June

Hey George, wanna play a weekend senario in VA next weekend?
DBD could use a tactical Alien to open up some WA on the Humans

Theres always a few backup markers in the bunker

heres the game thread:
http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=171038

Hemicuda
April 4, 2003, 12:35 PM
I shoot a Benjamin-Sheridan P-68-AT with a custim 24" barrel (rifled) and a homemade silencer (it works VERY well), with a custom sling, and dual scopes (one tube type, and one side-mount lazer), and remote Nitrogen kit, buttstock, expansion chamber, and all home-built...

I play sniper, with great success... I can even turn it up over 350FPS and reliably shoot LONG distance without breaking paintballs... (using good paint)

it is an awesome sport... but FAR from real combat conditions...

DDGator
April 4, 2003, 12:53 PM
Of course its far from real combat, but as the others have said -- it does give you a taste.

We play "sandlot" games on a buddy's property -- a couple of densly wooded acres. Most of us have modified and tricked out Stingrays.

After playing paintball for years, I went to a company laser tag game. What a disappointment! When there is no pain upon getting shot a whole lot of the fun is gone!

Flashpoint
April 4, 2003, 03:47 PM
I played once for about 5 hours, some of the most fun I've had outdoors. Man was I hurtin the next day. I'd play more but the place shut down. I can see what you mean good training for combat stress without actually joining the military.

10-Ring
April 4, 2003, 03:52 PM
I've done the backyard thing too. OOODLES O' Fun! :D Plus, I learned the importance of proper use of cover & that wearing the protective gear....them things can sting w/o it :cool:

enichols
April 4, 2003, 04:02 PM
I played frequently up until about last year, when I got my first firearms. Now all my money is spent on ammo, not paint. I still play when I get the chance, though. I play pump, because it's more challenging than playing with a semi auto and you save TONS of cash on paintballs. Besides, there's nothing more gratifying when you take some dude with an electro-doodad painthose out with a single shot. Here's a pic of my paintgun, a modded Armson Pump.

Strings
April 4, 2003, 05:18 PM
... the wife and I both play: she uses a Tippmann 98 (in purpleflage, no less. I'll post a pic when I can), and I use a Tippmann A5 w/reactive trigger (MAJOR gas hog). Probably one of the most fun things you can legally do... ;)

gun-fucious
April 4, 2003, 05:29 PM
wait till y'all see the pix of my new LAWS
The beta test launched 30 paintballs ~100 feet
it's senario legal @230 fps

zahc
April 4, 2003, 07:16 PM
That seems really slow.

Mad Man
April 4, 2003, 08:33 PM
While on the subject of paintball, check out this vehicle:

http://www.tippmann.com/main/hhound/car.gif (http://www.tippmann.com/main/hhound/hhound.html)

redneck
April 4, 2003, 08:57 PM
I played everyweekend through the winter for the last couple years. Just a backwoods set up with my buddies. Most guys have pirhanas or tipmann 98's. A few sprang for high end stuff, and generally get shot up pretty bad :D
Only made it once this year though, just been too busy. Hopefully we'll get some spring matches in when the weeds are nice an thick.

AZTOY
April 4, 2003, 09:14 PM
I love playing paintball, i been playing for 12 years. :D My first marker was a splatmaster:barf: . Now i have 2 trick out spiders and i will be going full auto after i get the e-sprit grip:D

I will be play on Sunday:neener:

Bainx
April 4, 2003, 09:19 PM
And, some of us have been known to use paintball guns to mark structrual features on gigantic buildings so we can point others to the locations!

George Hill
April 4, 2003, 09:23 PM
I'd be down for paintball if it wasn't for two reasons:
1. I'm no longer in VA.
2. 2 weeks ago I broke my right ankle again. (The bones are like glass)

If anyone here is in the paintball industry I have a new marker concept that I would love to see come to fruition. You can have the design, as long as I get 20 of the markers when they start production. :D

Mad Man
April 4, 2003, 09:24 PM
You should ask BillLl (http://www.thehighroad.org/member.php?action=getinfo&userid=883) about the double-barrell black powder paintball guns he has made.

It changes the dynamics of the game dramatically. Rather than running around doing "spray and pray," as I've seen some players do, having only two shots -- and a smoke cloud that gives away the shooter's position -- encourages stealth and marksmanship.

Mad Man
April 4, 2003, 09:32 PM
It's been discussed here before, but there are 6mm paint pellets (http://www.airsoftpro.net/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=AP&Product_Code=AMMO6&Category_Code=PB) for the AirSoft line of air guns, which can be used for force-on-force training.

gun-fucious
April 4, 2003, 11:33 PM
most painball markers are set to 270-300 fps for daylight play

a LAWS is purposely slowed down as they tend to have a 2 inch or greater bore

you don't want to crack a mask lens

Shweboner
April 5, 2003, 01:15 AM
I had a buddy invite me out anout a year ago... I bought some gear, nothing too fancy... got a JT Excelerator II and a 20oz tank. Some paintballs, I was ready!! But it got cancelled and I have never actually played. No one else seems to be into it around here, most of my friends seem to have taken to just talking about doing it... I really want to get out there.

MAybe in a couple months??? who knows

arinvolvo
April 5, 2003, 01:17 AM
No such thing as a 2 inch bore on a paintball gun that i have seen....all standard paintball markers recognized by paintball associations have a .68 caliber bore...

there are some non-conventional paintball guns with .40 and .50 caliber bores.

and by the way...250-300 fps on a .68 caliber projectile is plenty fast....fast enough to make you bleed.

arinvolvo
April 5, 2003, 01:35 AM
Gun Fucious...I re-read your post, and realized you were talking about a LAWS system...disregard the last sentence of my last post.:D

Combat-wombat
April 5, 2003, 02:46 AM
I do, sometimes. I just have a little Tippmann M98 Custom.

zahc
April 5, 2003, 08:40 AM
Whoa!:what:
2"?!

I don't wanna be on the recieving end of that thing, nuh-uh!:uhoh: what does LAWS stand for?

BTW My buddy has a .40 caliber Palco XJ40 splatmatic pistol that runs on a 12 gram. I shoot the .40's out of my blowgun too but they're hard to break.

Dorin62
April 5, 2003, 08:50 AM
Yeah I Play -not as much as I would like. It is truley a awsome sport and like some say it is NOT real combat, but the adrenalin you get from being the hunter and the hunted is real. I was at the tippmann factory un Fort Wayne and saw the Hell Hound it was truely sometihng to look at (talk about toys for boys or some one with way too much time on their hands).:what:

gun-fucious
April 5, 2003, 10:28 AM
most fields only allow LAWS to be used against buildings and TANKS
(Light Anti-tank Weapon System)

a tank will ruin a squads afternoon:
http://www.armoredfistpaintball.com/tank_gallery.htm

but a 25 dollar Home Depot LAWS will rebalance the equation!

zahc
April 5, 2003, 11:42 AM
That is cool beyond comprehension! I mean that is SO AWESOME:D :D :D :D :D

gryphon
April 5, 2003, 12:53 PM
The most important thing that paintball has taught me is follow up shots. It's happened more than once, normally during cold weather, that the first strike hits, but the ball doesn't break. Even though you might see the ball hit the opponent, that still doesn't mean they are down and out.

Trebor
April 8, 2003, 06:28 AM
I played several times back around '86-'88 when it was still called The Survival Game and the standard gun was the original Nel Spot 007 pump gun. With the slow rate of fire and limited ammo capacity (clear cigar type tubes) the tactics stressed hiding and stealth more than overwhelming firepower. Reloading was slow and changing CO2 bottles (12 gr) was a real PITA.

I played again a couple years ago and couldn't believe how much it had changed. Guys were taking a case of paintballs out on the field AT A TIME and would burn through them and then go back and get more. The full auto guys and spray and pray tactics really changed the game,and IMHO, not for the better.

The last time I played I used a borrowed Angel and then a Spider when the Angel went down. They were both nice markers, but with the big hopper on top and the huge gas tank and fittings they didn't feel much like "real guns."

The all time coolest paintball gun I ever used was a Tippman SMG 60. The gas tank was set up as the shouler stock and it used stripper clips feeding from a side mounted magazine. The thing handled like a Sten gun and was just way cool. It only held 20 or 30 rounds, so you had to use realistic tactics, like short aimed bursts to use it succesfully.

The field I played at had two of the SMG's and they'd give one to each side, which made taking out the other side's SMG one of the major strategy points. It was kind of like how the Germans would use their rifleman to protect and support their machingunners in WWII.

Unfortunately, the SMG 60 proved to be a dead end design when the top mounted hopper guns came out. One of these days I'd like to get a SMG 60, but I don't know if anyone makes balls for it anymore or if it's field legal.

zahc
April 8, 2003, 08:32 AM
I really prefer when people call paintball markers by their proper name, instead of calling them guns:uhoh: it took me a bit of training to get down with the idea of painball and people calling them 'guns' doesn't help.

enichols
April 8, 2003, 08:50 AM
Trebor-
Unfortunately, the SMG 60 proved to be a dead end design when the top mounted hopper guns came out. One of these days I'd like to get a SMG 60, but I don't know if anyone makes balls for it anymore or if it's field legal.

The SMG60 was definitely one of the coolest markers ever. I don't think anyone makes .62 cal paint, but I thought that Tippmann also made a .68 cal semi-auto only version of the SMG.

rebbryan
April 8, 2003, 02:50 PM
yeah i've played about 5 times over a couple years but haven't played at all in the past 2, real fun though

i always play in the woods so it explains the pic of my weird guille gun

Schuey2002
April 8, 2003, 03:07 PM
I have been known to squander precious bling bling on liquid filled orbs of doom.
:D LOL! :D

J-Man
April 8, 2003, 08:21 PM
Have been playing since '88. My first marker was a Bud Orr Commando and we used Nelspot 007's for backup. Today I'm a diehard Air Power Vector fan!
Check out APOG at www.airsoldier.com/~apog

Justin

zahc
April 8, 2003, 08:56 PM
I am VERY interested in how these hommade suppressors are made.

Soap
April 8, 2003, 09:41 PM
I don't anymore but if some savvy capitalist wants to get in on it, I have my marker for sale for $125!

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=17078

JerryN
April 8, 2003, 10:55 PM
I played paintball once, about 25 years ago. Back then it was called, "The Survival Game". I played because a friend of mine was the cousin of the inventer, or so he said. We played in the woods in the shadow of Killington Mountain, VT. I still have a t-shirt that says, "I survived the Survival Game".

We played with single shot, bolt action guns and wore workshop goggles for eye protection. Some of us had camo BDUs. It was a wild game that keyed on the strategy of single shots and how not to waste them. Ambush and stealth was key.

Very different from todays game!

arinvolvo
April 9, 2003, 12:12 AM
Daniel, that is an excellent price for that setup...if anyone is interested in getting started in paintball, this might be a good way to do it.

Tippman 98 is an excellent marker.

gun-fucious
April 9, 2003, 12:17 AM
paintball suppressors have been determined by the BATF to be illegal
http://www.corin.com/bill/paintball/silencer.html
they work like the real deal and knock the sound level down by 1/2

arinvolvo
April 9, 2003, 02:24 AM
Paintball silencers are sort of silly...There are many paintball guns on the market that are more than 1/2 as quiet as some of the others on the market...and for those that are loud...there are several (non silencer) alternatives that will quiet the gun more than any suppressed firearm.

Ways to quiet a paintball gun.

1. Ported barrel...a barrel with ports along some or most of its length will allow the gas buildup to dissapate before the paintball leaved the end of the barrel...Barrels without porting produce a loud POP when the paintball leaves the barrel.

2. Venturi bolt...A venturi style bolt will split the gas column into several equal columns, these column eventually merge back into a single laminar flow...However, the initial disturbance equalizes all pressures along the insides of the barrel, equalling less turbulence, and also providing a quiter shot, along with increased accuracy, and gentleness to brittle paint.

3. Low pressure system...Converting a paintball gun to low pressure is tricky. High pressure systems use a small volume of gas in a short burst to propel the paintball up to speed...This is the most gas efficient method, however it is also the hardest on the paintball, and also the loudest. A low pressure system will deliver a larger volume of gas, in a longer burst, accelerating the paintball up to speed more slowly, reducing turbulence in front of the ball, increasing accuracy, and making the marker significantly more quiet.

Now there are several manufacturers that pruduce paintball guns with all of these features standard...And they are VERY quiet...When firing paint, all you can hear is the cycling of the bolt. My shocker, that was pictured in the start of this thread, is one of the quietest paintball guns on the market...

Players who normally flinch back into cover with the sound of a shot get nailed by me all day long....They never hear the shot.

But for those of you that want a suppressed paintball gun, purchase a ported barrel such as this:
http://www.totlinc.com/barrel/tear_drop_all_american.gif

And fasten a larger tube around the ports, sealed at both ends, and stuffed with polyfill. Will work well to quiet LOUD guns, and trust me, the BATF wont knock down your door in the middle of the night. This is not a rule that is enforced.

zahc
April 9, 2003, 09:26 AM
From gun-fucies link:
"So can you believe it? I need to pay a $200 making tax, just to legally send them a 6" piece of PVC pipe, and a wad of toilet paper, to even find out if they are legal to posess. Wow. I am a bit concerned that Chief Owen did not address my rather direct question of wether or not it is legal to suppress a paintgun, so long as the paintgun suppressor is not considered a suppressor for real firearms. This disturbs me in that here we have an executive branch of our government which is making it's own interpretations of the law, and acting upon them, but not letting the public know what those interpretations are. IMHO, governing our country with "secret laws" is a very dangerous concept, and antithetical to what the framers of the constitution had in mind when they penned its first ten amendments. "


AWWW, look, the poor paintballer is getting his first taste of the sh&% we have put up with all the time.
:D :( :mad: :fire: :banghead:

Soap
April 9, 2003, 02:53 PM
arinvolvo- That's what I thought! But it hasn't sold yet...:eek:

Strings
April 9, 2003, 05:18 PM
Nice suggestion, on putting a tube around the porting of a barrel. I had the same idea... and completely forgot to have something out past the muzzle...

They're kinda pointless on a semi, but DO work wonders on pump guns (and yes, it IS a gun. Maybe not a firearm, but a gun nonetheless).

For those of you who like scenario ball, look into Tippmann's A-5: set up EXACTLY like the H&K MP5K, with the airline running in where the mag would be. You can remove the bottomline and screw the tank directly into the gun. And that cyclone feed system is awesome!

MessedUpMike
April 9, 2003, 08:03 PM
Why silence a paintball gun? If a muzzle brake would make it loder I'd add one! I've got an old Spider tricker out as far as I can get it.

Gun Fucious: Scenario game in Va? Tell me more. The only scenarios I've ever seen where at Anne Arundel Paintball Park, an it's been years sinec I played there. Send me a PM If your looking for players

VNgo
April 10, 2003, 03:25 AM
I prefer Airsoft to paintball...I have a full-auto electric G36C on order at the moment. *drool*

arinvolvo
April 10, 2003, 04:15 AM
I actually ordered my first paintball gun from Anne Arundels back in the day...I have never been or played there however.

MAKOwner
April 10, 2003, 04:38 AM
I've been getting into airsoft instead of paintball. Other than the problem of honesty when people are hit (since there is no paint, airsoft "paintball bbs" are not worth a crap...) airsoft is far superior to paintball for what I want to do.

Coincidentally I have a virtually new Tippmann M98 (less than 400 rnds fired, only used it like 3 times) that I am wanting to sell. Has the standard 200 rnd hopper, 12 once tank with a buttstock cap on the end of it, and a facemask (JT maybe, not sure). I'm not entirely sure what it's worth, but I think new a similar "kit" would sell for $180ish maybe? I'll take offers if anyone wants it...

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