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KMB8
December 5, 2005, 11:09 AM
I have an Eagle EA-15 carbine, 16" Hart SS match barrel, and Jewell trigger.
It's a standard CAR otherwise.
Can I use this in Service Rifle comp's?
30Cal
December 5, 2005, 01:15 PM
I have an Eagle EA-15 carbine, 16" Hart SS match barrel, and Jewell trigger.
It's a standard CAR otherwise.
Can I use this in Service Rifle comp's?
You can shoot it in an NRA Highpower match as a Match Rifle. It does not conform to Service Rifle rules under the NRA or CMP rules.
http://www.odcmp.com/Competitions/Rulebook.pdf
6.2.3 U.S. Rifle, Caliber 5.56mm, M16 The rifle must be an M16A2 or M16A4 rifle issued by the U.S. Armed Forces or a commercial rifle of the same type and caliber. M16 rifles must be chambered for the 5.56mm cartridge and comply with the following specific requirements:
(1) Modification to make automatic fire impossible without removing, replacing or altering parts is allowed.
(2) Magazines of the standard service 20 or 30 round box magazine dimensions must be attached during the firing of all courses and in all positions. A dummy magazine with a ramp for single shot loading may be used, provided this magazine has the same external configuration and dimensions as the standard service 20-round magazine. Standard
service 20-round magazines must be straight, without curves. Standard service 30- round magazines are curved.
(3) The rear sight aperture may have a hood no longer than 0.70". The rear sight aperture may have a fixed, non-adjustable aperture insert. A corrective lens may be inserted in the rear sight hood.
(4) Rear sight windage and elevation adjustments may be modified to allow finer adjustments. The front sight blade may be fixed or lockable.
(5) To stabilize the rear sight assembly, it may be fitted with one or more pins extending down into the receiver or with stabilizing projections extending forward no more than 5/16” into the top groove of the carrying handle.
(6) The flash suppressor and bayonet lug may be removed or the rifle may be manufactured without a flash suppressor or bayonet lug. Barrel length must not exceed 20 inches, as measured to the end of the rifling in the barrel.
(7) A screw may be inserted in the back radius of the pistol grip where it joins the lower receiver. This screw may extend into the rear lock-down lug of the upper receiver for the purpose of securing the upper and lower receivers. The screw head may not protrude above the original surface of the receiver. Both ends of the original takedown pin must remain in place so that the original outside configuration is not changed.
(8) Upper receivers may not be changed during the firing of any match.
(9) An external device may be attached to prevent selector lever movement to the auto position.
(10) The front sling swivel may be attached to the front ferrule of the handguard or front tip of the “tube” (in the case of a floating barrel system) as long as it remains in the 6 o’clock position and is no more than ˝ inch from the original sling swivel location.
(11) The M4A1 rifle (short) butt stock or the commercial equivalent may be installed on an M16A2 or M16A4 rifle.
KMB8
December 6, 2005, 10:08 AM
I was not seeing anything in the rules about barrels except length.
I was uncertain.
Thanks for such a fast reply!
In fact, I just received another answer to my question from the NRA, and both answers are identical.:)
AFhack
December 6, 2005, 11:11 PM
I appreciate the clarifications. But I do have a question, for example - which models Bushmaster offers would fit into the 'service model' class?
Thanks
Detritus
December 7, 2005, 12:07 AM
I appreciate the clarifications. But I do have a question, for example - which models Bushmaster offers would fit into the 'service model' class?
Thanks
the following two rifles would be legal for Service rifle, but of the ones bushy currently lists only the DCM rifle (http://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/dcm/pcwa2s20dcm8.asp) would be truly competitive at any of the matches i've witnessed.
standard 20in A2/A3 (http://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/weapons/bcwa2s20.asp)
the rules have been changed and now allow A3/A4 "flattop" receivers to be used in SR but only when the detatchable carry handles are in place on the rifle, Rock River and a few others have begun producing rilfes that conform to this spec with detatchable carry handles with match sights.
then again you could do what i plan for the SR legal rifle i'm planning, ie buy an upper from model 1 sales with NM sights, SR legal free float tube, and a 1in8 SS barrel ad put in on a Stag lower with RRA 2-stage trigger from del-ton (wish del-ton did match uppers, b/c i gotta pay TX sales tax on the Mod1 stuff:rolleyes: ) all up cost of around $860 or the same as or less than a NIB standard A2 goes for near me.
P-32
December 7, 2005, 08:44 PM
I appreciate the clarifications. But I do have a question, for example - which models Bushmaster offers would fit into the 'service model' class?
Thanks
Unless you are stuck on Bushmaster I would offer a couple of thoughts. Any standard USGI style AR could be used, but like many things you would find your self quickly outclassed.
The Rock River Arms National Match retails for $1265.00. I have a couple of shooting buddies who made master with this rifle in two years. They started with nothing. You should be able to find it at a lower price if your FFL is willing to deal.
I built a service rifle using a White Oak Precision upper, pinned rear 1/4 minute sights, a PacNor 6 1/2 to 1 stainless barrel using a Wldye chamber with flash hider/bayonet lug.
I used the RRA National match lower and got a good deal from the dealer. I also got the RRA 2 stage trigger tuned by WOP. The biggest down fall of the AR is it's trigger. The RRA two stage trigger has proven to be a good trigger. WOP will tune the trigger for $35.00 with $5.00 used for shipping.
The rifle shoots. I've won several matches with it and have been in the money more times than not. Did I say the rifle shoots? If I'm not shooting "X's" it's my fault.
I'm in to it for slightly less than retail on the RRA national match model.
AFhack
December 7, 2005, 11:09 PM
Thanks Det and P-32!
USMCRotrHed
December 16, 2005, 09:26 PM
Does anyone knoe if it is legal to use a front sight post that is smaller (narrower) on an AR-15 than military standard? I, personally, find it easier to sight in from 300 yds on out using a smaller width sight post but I have been reluctant to change mine out.
richardschennberg
December 16, 2005, 11:59 PM
Since Colt does not currently sell to "civilians" there should be some leniency in the current rules. You might check with an Armalite dealer and verify with an NRA referee or two that your choice is O.K. I think you need 20 round mags or 10 rounders that are just as long for the prone shooting.
Richard
Schennberg.com (http://www.schennberg.com)
lycanthrope
December 17, 2005, 03:59 AM
Does anyone knoe if it is legal to use a front sight post that is smaller (narrower) on an AR-15 than military standard? I, personally, find it easier to sight in from 300 yds on out using a smaller width sight post but I have been reluctant to change mine out.
You can change the front sight post. Fear not.
P-32
December 18, 2005, 05:26 AM
You can change the front sight post. Fear not.
National Match sights for M-1/M-14/M-1A and M-16/AR's are finer both front and rear than issue. for my AR I have 3 different size rear aperture inserts that I can use depending on light. The .036 is dang small and works well only on the brightest of days. The front post is .050.
USMCRotrHed
December 19, 2005, 11:01 PM
That's what I was hoping to hear.
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