"A1 Optic" scopes


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Live Free Or Die
December 5, 2005, 03:01 PM
I'm looking for an affordable scope to put on my 10/22, though I might want to use it on another rifle in the future. I'll mostly be target-shooting at 25 (indoor) or 100 yards with the 10/22. I have not picked my "future" rifle yet, but it will be a higher-power rifle, mostly used for target-shooting at 100-300 yards.

A friend let me borrow his Weaver K-2.5 scope, and I had a lot of fun this weekend using it to sight-in my 10/22 at 25 yards. I was going to buy it from him until I realized the MSRP is $180. I was actually hoping to spend quite a bit LESS on my scope than I spent on the 10/22 (about $150). Really I'd like to spend < $100. Sure, in general "you get what you pay for," but please humor me as I try to live within my means. :)

I came across "A1 Optic (http://a1optic.com)" scopes on e-bay. I tried to no avail to search for product reviews; it was difficult to do so because the term "a1" is often ignored since it's too short -- as it is with the search feature on this very forum. Is there anyone on THR who can discuss first- (or even second-) hand experience about the quality of A1's scopes? The website goes to great lengths trying to convince the reader that the quality is excellent. Certainly the scopes are feature-rich for the price -- illuminated reticle, range finder, 3-12x50 for around $80. Also, the scopes appear to be made in the US, and I'd prefer that to buying a different budget brand (Bass Pro's "RedHead", Bushnell, etc.) made in China.

The scope rings have me a bit confused too. All A1's scopes have 1" tubes, but the product description says they come with 7/8" Weaver rings. I'm sure this is a newbie sort of question, but what's the deal with 1 vs 7/8? I have some 1" Weaver rings, and I assumed the number means the diameter of the scope.

Finally, is 3-12x50mm overkill for my intended purpose of target-shooting my 10/22 at 100 yards? I like the idea of a range of powers versus fixed power. I could save $20 or so by going for a 3-9x40mm instead.

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Nathanael_Greene
December 5, 2005, 03:46 PM
Have you checked out their website, www.a1optic.com?

After reading it, they claim superior optics, but the designs sure look a lot like the NCStar, Barska, etc. scopes that they mention. I have the feeling that there are scope factories in China that grind these things out by the boatload, and they slap a different name on them--ZOS, BSK, A1 Optic, NCStar, Visiontac, etc. etc.

I think the fact that the scopes don't seem to be available anywhere besides Ebay should tell you something, though.

Generally, posts like this get a lot of responses like, "Save your money for something decent," but if you want to take a chance on one of these, what the heck. They have a lifetime warranty, so maybe they're a small risk, especially since yours shouldn't be taking a real beating (at least until you put it on your hunting rifle).

If it were me, I'm not sure I'd risk the money--but maybe you'll get one and it'll turn out to be the best scope ever. If it is, let us know. Good luck, and keep us posted.

Detritus
December 5, 2005, 04:17 PM
my advice, at least till such time as you CAN save up for better, is to buy a scope that is about the same price as a new 10/22, MAYBE a little less. though if SWFA really is selling that 4x22 simmons .22mag scope for $30 i'd consider that...

regardless look around www.Riflescopes.com look at the simmons and trashc.. in mean tasco listings and really all around (BSA and a few others get good reveiws and low prices). avoid barska they're horrid

to be honest 99% of scopes under $100 are going to be worse than junk, and not with the time to mount. had a NCStar one time (got it free, will try anything once) that lasted less than one range session on my 10/22, something inside shook loose and you my as well have looked through smoked glass, it didn't even make it home before it was in a trashcan.

i understand budget, but going below a certain level with optics will cost you over twice as much in the end.

like i said for ow take a look at simmons and BSA they'll be adequate for at least the short run, whereas certain other budget lines may as well be held together with spitwads.

Live Free Or Die
December 5, 2005, 05:17 PM
Thanks for the feedback guys. I'm new to scopes, so I wouldn't have any idea whether this "A1 Optic" brand is just a rebadged version of some other crappy scope. I haven't made up my mind yet, but I think I might take a chance on one of these. They're fairly inexpensive, and the e-bay seller claims to offer a full refund within 21 days. That and the lifetime warranty makes it worth the chance for me.

Also, I noticed that the e-bay seller got a lot of very positive reviews, both on his service and on the quality/value of the scopes he's selling. If I do get one, I'll post my impressions here.

Can anyone comment on the 7/8" versus 1" scope ring question I had in my first post?

Nathanael_Greene
December 5, 2005, 07:23 PM
I believe the scope ring measurement in question is the rings' height, rather than the diameter of the scope tube that the rings accommodate.

greg531mi
December 5, 2005, 07:45 PM
Get a 3x9x40 Tasco World Class, Mead, who owns Tasco, and Busnell, upgraded their World Class......I bought one for $30.....Do not get their Pronghorn, it is junk.....BSA, Barska's and Target are junk.....Do yourself a favor, look through the scope at the store before buying it.....

bogie
December 5, 2005, 11:04 PM
You can buy a "vintage" Weaver K-4 for under $50 delivered. Darn near bulletproof.

Dave Markowitz
December 6, 2005, 09:05 AM
I never heard of A1 Optics so can't opine on them.

Weaver makes a 4x28mm rimfire scope and Nikon a 4x32mm rimfire scope that can be had online for about $110. I have one of each, the Weaver is on a Savage Mark IIGL and the Nikon is on a 10/22. I actually got the Nikon as a factory refurbished unit from Natchez Shooters Supply for $70. I highly recommend either of these over cheaper .22 scopes.

Both have excellent optics but the Nikon gathers a bit more light with the larger objective lens. As rimfire scopes, they have the parallax adjusted for 50 or 75 yards, instead of 100 yards as you'll find with a scope intended for use on a centerfire.

Cheap scopes aren't worth your time. They have poor optics and don't hold up well over time. E.g., my Marlin Camp .45 ate a BSA red dot (that I got for free). You don't have to spend a ton of money for a decent scope, but don't go cheap, either.

Nathanael_Greene
January 17, 2006, 08:28 AM
Did you ever buy one of these? I'm curious how it's working out for you.

Thanks for the feedback guys. I'm new to scopes, so I wouldn't have any idea whether this "A1 Optic" brand is just a rebadged version of some other crappy scope. I haven't made up my mind yet, but I think I might take a chance on one of these. They're fairly inexpensive, and the e-bay seller claims to offer a full refund within 21 days. That and the lifetime warranty makes it worth the chance for me.

gt3944
January 17, 2006, 08:35 AM
Listen they have a better website than the ebay one, its huntersmall.com go there and youll find A1 optic stuff. I just bought a red dot sight from them and its pretty damn accurate for the money and very sturdy..I bought it for 10/22..the owners name of the company is Dennis..just talk to him if you can and hell set you up..let me know how it goes..

Master Blaster
January 17, 2006, 09:24 AM
Natchez shooters supply or Midway sell a Weaver rimfire 2.5-7X scope which has its paralax adjusted for 50 yards. I have one on my 10/22 and its an excellent scope. Perfect for the 25-100 yard ranges that a 22 would be used at. Its also light and has excellent clarity.

You can get it for $128 delivered, with a lifetime warranty.

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