[beerslurpy]

Read here... (http://www.canada.com/story.html?id=28eeda45-a3d3-4892-be0e-cfbb397c5af8&k=)

Just what it sounds like. Exemptions for "gun collectors, target shooters, police and people (the politically connected) with legitimate self defense needs" and everyone else has to turn them in.

Isnt that wonderful?

I guess canadians are going to start watering their lawns with WD40, just like the australians.

[mr.trooper]

I guess canadians are going to start watering their lawns with WD40, just like the australians.

WHAT?

[Lupinus]

people (the politically connected) with legitimate self defense needs"
Guess us little lambs don't have valid self defense needs when the underpivlaged youth who laughs at the law and has a gun anyway climbs through the window.

Though sadly this doesn't surprise me. I'm willing to bet though they will become a model of why not to have insane gun laws. After all England is just a model for zero crime rates with banned handguns.

[beerslurpy]

WHAT?
So their guns wont rust.

[Standing Wolf]

So-called "gun control" has failed; therefore, Canada needs more so-called "gun control."

It would have made perfect sense to Stalin.

[Lupinus]

It would have made perfect sense to Stalin.
Whats wrong with Stalin? He was one of the 20th's greatist leaders! And just a big old cuddly bear to boot, a model human being.

[\:rolleyes: ]

[Lucky]

If you have a firearm, and don't turn it in, you are in trouble. They already know who does and doesn't.

I knew it in the back of my head, I've heard ppl say it, the only point of registries is to lead to confiscation. I knew it, but it just seems unreal stiil.

The NDP is really socialist, the Conservatives are more like your democrats than your republicans, and the Liberals have always been 'centrist' which means 'pragmatic' which means 'whatever gets people to vote for you'.

Right now all the parties are talking, saying whatever will win votes. Look at any of them and you see inconsistencies, but this Paul Martin thing is total BS, the worst I've ever seen. PC party proposes to cut the sales tax, when only income taxes are good for the economy - understandable. The NDP, well, they're hoping to get more than 12 seats, lol - understandable. The Bloc, they won the entire province of Quebec months ago, it' just not official yet.

What those 3 parties have in common is that they are about committments, believing in something. The Liberals aren't liberal, they're are opportunistic scavengers.

So if there is a god, the next gov't in 2 months time will be a loose alliance of Socialists, Seperatists and Conservatives. A perfect gov't:) Not much chance of something like them passing a 'Patriot Act'.

[4RHeritage]

We need to have a Western Canada Seperatist Party. We don't share any values with those liberals in Ontario, Quebec and the maritimes.

[Alex45ACP]

Yet another example of why we must avoid gun registration at all costs.

Unfortunately I doubt any Canadians will try to defend themselves; they'll hand over their guns like good little sheep. Just like 99% of Americans will when the time comes here.

[Mad Chemist]

If this does happen, then I think it is our collective duty to put together a "Canada-Legal Home Defense Shotgun" thread for our comrades up north.:rolleyes: :evil:

[Janitor]

Yet another example of why we must avoid gun registration at all costs.
A prime example indeed. Ok - let's see a show of hands - Who did not see this coming?

Things I still wonder:
- I wonder how many handguns are out there in CA.
- I wonder what the ramifications of making them come to you to get the weapon will be.
- I wonder how long it is going to take to process in each handgun they steal from a citizen.
- I wonder what cost is going to be incurred to process each handgun they steal from a citizen.
- I wonder how many LEO minutes they have available in CA to dedicate to getting out and stealing handguns from the citizens.
- I wonder if this is going to be anywhere near as repugnant to the Canadian LEOs as it would be to some LEOs I know down here in the south.

--

BTW - I'm talking about an exotic and mysterious foreign country that I'm not an expert on. Am I using the term "citizen" correctly here? I mean - it's not "serf" or somthing like that, is it?

--
Ok. One last edit: You guys in the west need to secede.
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[kahr40]

The wrod you're looking for is "subject". "Sheep" is also an viable alternative.

[neoncowboy]

If you have a firearm, and don't turn it in, you are in trouble. They already know who does and doesn't.

They do? Wouldn't knowing who does and who doesn't rely on their registration database? The billion dollar database...that doesn't work and never has?

[Live Free Or Die]

From the article:

"However, there will be exceptions for competitive target shooters, gun collectors and peace officers, a Liberal insider said on condition of anonymity."

Ok,

1) I wonder what they consider a 'competitive' target shooter to be. Someone who likes competition and shoots targets? Great, if I were a Canuck, I'd want in on that. Seems like a pretty decent loophole. If not, then...

2) Ok, I'm ready to be a gun collector. What does that mean in Canada exactly? I imagine it might be something like C&R or FFL with our own BATF. Does it involve a tax payment to the government? or...

3) I am a peace officer. What, you need to be officially blessed by the government as such? then...

4) I don't care what your registry says. Haven't you heard that guns can shoot all by themselves? Well, using the same power, my guns got up and walked out of my house all by themselves, just before you came to confiscate them. They're probably out committing a crime as we speak. Yeeeeahhhhh, I'm just gonna have to go ahead and ask you to get off my porch now. That'd be greeeeaaat.

Anyways, if this...this...human paraquat named Paul Martin and his government actually ban handguns, I sure hope that a lot of Canucks consider 1-4, or variations.

Finally, does anyone else's imagination conjour an incredibly unpleasant picture when you read the words "Liberal insider"? I understand that Liberal has a somewhat different meaning elsewhere than it does in the US, but I can't shake the association. It sure gives me the willies.

[tulsamal]

1) I wonder what they consider a 'competitive' target shooter to be. Someone who likes competition and shoots targets? Great, if I were a Canuck, I'd want in on that. Seems like a pretty decent loophole. If not, then...

At BEST that would just be a delaying tactic. That's what happened in Great Britain. People who were members of gun clubs and active shooters could still own handguns. And then they decided that the handguns had to be kept locked up on club property and never taken to your home. (So there went any dream of using a gun to defend your home and family.) Ultimately even that collapsed and virtually all handgun ownership by "regular civilians" was banned and the guns were destroyed.

It still makes me sigh and shake my head when I see beautiful single shot .22 rifles for sale that were imported from GB. They were club rifles that were loved and shot and used to teach people how to be good shooters. When single shot .22 target rifles owned by shooting clubs are considered "too dangerous" and outlawed, you know you are in serious trouble!

Gregg

[Manedwolf]

Read here... (http://www.canada.com/story.html?id=28eeda45-a3d3-4892-be0e-cfbb397c5af8&k=)

Just what it sounds like. Exemptions for "gun collectors, target shooters, police and people (the politically connected) with legitimate self defense needs" and everyone else has to turn them in.

Isnt that wonderful?

I guess canadians are going to start watering their lawns with WD40, just like the australians.

So the only people who will have guns will be those that got them illegally from smugglers bringing them in on container ships, or from people making them illegally.

AKA, criminals. Whee.

[Manedwolf]

If you have a firearm, and don't turn it in, you are in trouble. They already know who does and doesn't.

I knew it in the back of my head, I've heard ppl say it, the only point of registries is to lead to confiscation. I knew it, but it just seems unreal stiil.

The NDP is really socialist, the Conservatives are more like your democrats than your republicans, and the Liberals have always been 'centrist' which means 'pragmatic' which means 'whatever gets people to vote for you'.

Right now all the parties are talking, saying whatever will win votes. Look at any of them and you see inconsistencies, but this Paul Martin thing is total BS, the worst I've ever seen. PC party proposes to cut the sales tax, when only income taxes are good for the economy - understandable. The NDP, well, they're hoping to get more than 12 seats, lol - understandable. The Bloc, they won the entire province of Quebec months ago, it' just not official yet.

What those 3 parties have in common is that they are about committments, believing in something. The Liberals aren't liberal, they're are opportunistic scavengers.

So if there is a god, the next gov't in 2 months time will be a loose alliance of Socialists, Seperatists and Conservatives. A perfect gov't:) Not much chance of something like them passing a 'Patriot Act'.

Well...if there's enforced en masse turn-ins, you could always order the pretty decently convincing Denix replicas of the ones you have and turn those in? :D I mean, those tend to have working slides and actions, they just don't shoot, and the gun-grabbers' clerks at a turn-in are likely to be the scared-of-guns sort who will check the type against your registration, then throw it in a box, right?

Assuming they don't check serials.

[R.H. Lee]

People eventually get the kind of government they deserve. We're next.

[Manedwolf]

Ultimately even that collapsed and virtually all handgun ownership by "regular civilians" was banned and the guns were destroyed.


Reported destroyed. I'd bet all the cheaper sorts were, but here and there, a gov't official retired early after selling a lot of "destroyed" valuable firearms anonymously on the open market to elsewhere...

[halvey]

I hope this is a wake up call to all Americans.

nra.org

[longeyes]

Bring the gunowners here. We need more immigrants of that kind.

"Violence-plagued" neighborhood in Toronto? And have they asked themselves what's behind that violence and why disarming a shopkeeper in Vancouver is going to stop it?

[balletto]

Gathered here:
http://volokh.com/archives/archive_2005_12_04-2005_12_10.shtml#1134068501


1.

Hamilton Spectator (Ontario, Canada), Jan. 12, 1999:

[T]he main criticisms [of the new gun registration law] are: One, [critics] fear the slippery slope, that once their guns are registered, they can too easily be taken away. Easily concealed handguns have previously been confiscated without compensation.

Two, they sense being pegged as criminals. There is no U.S. constitutional argument to lean on — no "right to bear and keep arms" — just a feeling it's unfair and arbitrary. . . .

To a non-gun owner, a registry sounds entirely harmless. If you don't plan to engage in criminal acts, why oppose it? Count most federal officials among this group.

"Welcome to the weapons world," chuckles Jean Valin, a justice department spokesman, addressing gun owner concerns. "We are trying to tell (owners) go to sleep at night, because you have nothing to fear from this government. They like to invent bogeymen, and this is one of them."

2.

Hamilton Spectator (Ontario, Canada), Jan. 4, 2001, item written by Howard Elliott, who is now the newspaper's Executive Editor:

A concern regularly cited by those who oppose [the registration] law, and gun licensing and registration in general, is that this is the first step on a slippery slope with the final destination being the government's intention to make guns illegal, or to make them so difficult to own, people will find owning a gun isn't worth the bother.

No doubt, there are people on the gun control side of the debate who favour this sort of outcome, just as there are people on the other side who believe Canadians should have unfettered rights to own firearms with minimal or no government involvement.

But we suspect that neither of these extreme viewpoints reflects the position of the average Canadian, who tends to be moderate and fair-minded. There is no evidence that gun registration will ever equal arbitrary seizure, or a law against ownership. In the end, this is about having firearms registered, so police will have more knowledge of who has guns and be in a better position to protect the public where danger does exist. That's an eminently reasonable goal.

3.

Maclean's, May 22, 2000:

Canada . . . [is] portrayed in a pretty darn scary video by the U.S. National Rifle Association. The NRA (like many Canadian gun owners, to be sure) is particularly outraged by Bill C-68, the federal law requiring all firearms to be registered by the end of 2002. It's the old slippery slope argument: once the feds know where the guns are, it's just a matter of time before they take them away.

Or so, at least, argues the NRA . . . . It should, by all rights, be a tough sell these days. Americans have been shocked by a string of shootings at schools, churches, offices — even day-care centres. . . . [The piece goes on to discuss the Million Mom March movement.] But the early evidence is not all encouraging. It may take more than dying teens, or marching moms, to shift American attitudes.

4.

Vancouver Sun, today (thanks to InstaPundit for the pointer):

Prime Minister Paul Martin will propose a ban on most handguns in Canada, CanWest News Service has learned.

Sources say Martin, who will make the election campaign announcement this morning, wants to choke off the supply of handguns in this country, particularly guns brought into the country illegally and those sold on the black market.

There will be some exemptions, including maintaining the right for police to carry handguns. The prime minister is also expected to announce a significant increase in resources for police to deal with the ban.

The Liberals say the thinking behind this crime strategy is that if no one is allowed to have a handgun in Canada, policing authorities will be in a better position to act on anyone who has a handgun or attempts to transport or sell a handgun.

The announcement will include the banning of all registered handguns in Canada. However, sources say special arrangements will be made for gun collectors.

[Don Gwinn]

Didn't these idiots watch Bowling for Columbine? Michael Moore proved that the Canadians have to kick guns to the side of the curb to walk to the donut shop in the morning and yet love each other with a sweetness brighter than sunshine and lighter than your mama's pancakes.

[Lemon328i]

The good thing about this is that it will be clear a example that the NRA, GOA, JPFO, SAF, etc can use to show that registration ALWAYS leads to confiscation. It might not be today or tomorrow, but registration always ultimately leads to confiscation. It happened in CA, NY and DC, but now that it is proposed for a whole country (such as it is) like Canada, we will have more material to discredit American gun grabbers.

[iapetus]

It still makes me sigh and shake my head when I see beautiful single shot .22 rifles for sale that were imported from GB. They were club rifles that were loved and shot and used to teach people how to be good shooters. When single shot .22 target rifles owned by shooting clubs are considered "too dangerous" and outlawed, you know you are in serious trouble!

Gregg


That's not right.

Single-shot and manual rifles are still allowed in the UK. And for .22 rimfire, you can even have semi-autos.

I think you're mixing up the rifle laws with the handgun laws. There was a brief period when all handguns* were banned except single-shot .22 kept at the club. But that "looplhole" was in effect for such a short time that it's not really worth considering (the almost-total ban was imposed by the Conservatives, and when labour got in a few months later they finished the job).

* With a few minor exceptions, e.g. for vets who needed them to put down cattle, blackpowder weapons, antiques, and extra-long revolvers. These exceptions still apply.

[bjbarron]

Should we be so hard on our gun-totin' brothers from the Great White North.

I read that the Canadian gun registration was a monumentally expensive failure and got less than 25% of available firearms registered. That tells me that 75% of Canadians were either (1) thinking ahead, or (2) do squat what the gov'ment says anyway. As for the 25%....:neener: You lose.

What makes the northern species of moonbat think that a confiscation program is going to work any better than 25% ?

The aim of a socialist government is to make every man a criminal for something or other. This is just more of the same.

[Lucky]

Every firearm you buy has to be registered at the store. It's pretty harmless, they call Quebec, talk for a minute, and 2 minutes later hand you your receipt and tell you to hang onto that until you get a green piece of paper in the mail, 2 weeks later.

Now it's just BS. I got ALL my stuff through stores, so it's all registered, even a lever action Winchester.

Liberal SOBs are going down. It gladdens me that the majority opinion vitriolicly despises them, and they haven't won a seat in my city as long as I've been alive.

[kbarrett]

Every firearm you buy has to be registered at the store. It's pretty harmless, they call Quebec, talk for a minute, and 2 minutes later hand you your receipt and tell you to hang onto that until you get a green piece of paper in the mail, 2 weeks later.

Now it's just BS. I got ALL my stuff through stores, so it's all registered, even a lever action Winchester.

Liberal SOBs are going down. It gladdens me that the majority opinion vitriolicly despises them, and they haven't won a seat in my city as long as I've been alive.

Secede.

Split Alberta into three pieces, join the American Commonwealth as US territories, and take a statehood vote in each part.

The population is large enough to qualify as three different states ... that way you end up with 6 mostly conservative new US senators, as well as a bunch of folks in the house of reps.

[robertbank]

Lets's get a few things straight. We gun owners have been fighting these bastards now for most of my adult life. In a Democracy such as ours and yours for that matter large urban populations can control the legislative adgenda. The Liberals in this country can get elected by carrying Toronto, half of Ontario and a few other urban seats and that is what has happened.

We can't buy a handgun, rifle or shotgun without registering the darn things. I can tell you all straight, they will never get my handguns, NEVER, period. This is not a done deal and anything I can do over the next eight weeks to prevent them getting elected I will do.

Follow this closely because you can expect the Democrates to go this route as well if given a chance.

The only fly in the Liberal oitment is that firearms are personal property and that according to our constitution is a provincial matter so seizing our firearms is not going to happen at the federal level anytime soon.

By the way I do have WD 40 and I think my grass will grow much better with a conservative dose of oil once or twice a year.;)

Stay Safe

[Lucky]

:) If we secede it probably won't go like that:) Not much point leaving the immediate gun confiscations for the soon-to-come ones.

In reality the only closest suggestion is something called 'Cascadia' or some such, heroin-induced dreamworld stuff, Washington Oregon and Montana join BC Alberta and Saskatchewan. lol.

More likely is that if you have a referrendum to secede, the Federals fly over to your province and suddenly pretend they don't despise you, and make all sorts of promises.

What I'd like is what the Quebecers always spouted. I never believed them, but they said things like 're-evaluate our position in the confedereation' or 'limited autonomy' 'partial seperation of some areas'. I never really believed them, but maybe they had the right idea.

If we can turn Canada into something like the EU I'd like that, where the Federal gov't exists only as a co-ordinating body, and each province or territory has a large degree of autonomy, that would be nice.

[QuickDraw]

that registration ALWAYS leads to confiscation. It might not be today or tomorrow, but registration always ultimately leads to confiscation. It happened in CA, NY and DC,

Is there something I should know?
I still have all of mine,gonna get a Marlin in
.44 mag this week!

QuickDraw

[newguy123]

Well as a 19 year old firearm owner in this poor excuse for a country I had to register my guns when I bought them. I couldn't get them from the store before they were. So they know what I have but THEY WILL NEVER GET THEM. They can f&^k off. This is my god given right to own what I want and to have protection against evil. So I dare them to come for my guns.

Anyone know of any civil engineering technologist jobs in any gun friendly state. I need to get out of this stupid country.

Kyle

[c_yeager]

Every firearm you buy has to be registered at the store. It's pretty harmless, they call Quebec, talk for a minute, and 2 minutes later hand you your receipt and tell you to hang onto that until you get a green piece of paper in the mail, 2 weeks later.


Registration = confiscation, period. The only reason a government wants registration is so that they know where to start confiscating. This has been demonstrated time and again.

[Art Eatman]

newguy 123, you might contact the Texas Department of Transportation. There is probably something at the Texas .gov website.

Art

[tulsamal]

That's not right.

Single-shot and manual rifles are still allowed in the UK. And for .22 rimfire, you can even have semi-autos.

Somebody's not right here!

Here's the place that has been selling them for a few years. http://users.erols.com/apple1co/bsa.html

And here is the review of one of those rifles (BSA 12/15):

http://www.cruffler.com/review-June-01.html

.22' s are also among the most accurate rifles available; even a run of the mill .22 rifle is capable of making the shooter look good. Match grade .22's take this accuracy to another level, routinely delivering groups of better than half a minute of angle. For American shooters there's never been a better time to purchase a high quality .22LR rifle. Due to the draconian gun control laws recently enacted in the United Kingdom, many of that country's shooting clubs have been forced to shut down. As they closed, these clubs sold many of their match rifles to importers that brought them into the United States. While these rifles had been used for many years, their fine condition evidenced the great care and attention with which they had been treated. Available at a fraction of the cost of comparable rifles, these British refugees represent one of the best bargains currently available.

So I guess you are going to say they are still legal but the laws have forced the majority of the clubs to shut down? Are you allowed to own a Ruger 10/22 and keep it in your home if you are just some blue-collar worker?

I don't _know_ the answer. It would be interesting to hear since I've seen and heard lots of bad stuff about gun control in the UK and then in Australia. I seem to remember the UK even restricts the power of air rifles. Probably banks robbed all the time with those.

Gregg

[Lupinus]

Any well minded canadian should immigrate, we could use the votes :D

[kbarrett]

:) If we secede it probably won't go like that:) Not much point leaving the immediate gun confiscations for the soon-to-come ones.

In reality the only closest suggestion is something called 'Cascadia' or some such, heroin-induced dreamworld stuff, Washington Oregon and Montana join BC Alberta and Saskatchewan. lol.

Six more pro-firearm senators will fix that problem. Add the other two prairie provinces and you will end up with a conservative 2/3rds majority in congress. Enough to undo all the gun control since 1934, and even amend the constitution if needed.

Don't even think of confederating with the left coast ... I live in WA ... CA moonbats are moving in, fleeing the results of their socialist policies.

[hkOrion]

maybe we should give southern cali to mexico and take western canada for ourselves! We'll even throw in Chicago!

:D :D

[Sindawe]

maybe we should give southern cali to mexico and take western canada for ourselves! We'll even throw in Chicago! Can we also give the Eastern blue states to E. Canada? Let 'em set up their own Socialist, gunfree utopia?

[stevelyn]

We need to have a Western Canada Seperatist Party. We don't share any values with those liberals in Ontario, Quebec and the maritimes.

The western US dosen't share any values with the likes of MD, NY, NJ, MA or Wash. DC. I wish we could separate ourselves from them.

I would love to have the Yukon and NWT as a part of the US.

[Lobotomy Boy]

Unfortunately I doubt any Canadians will try to defend themselves; they'll hand over their guns like good little sheep. Just like 99% of Americans will when the time comes here.


Ninety-nine percent may be correct number, but in places like the small rural community in northwest Minnesota where I come from I think you will find the other one percent. I imagine all the sheeple in metropolitan areas around the country will get in line and bend over for the unlubricated dismantling of the Constitution, but in isolated rural communities like my home town all bloody hell will break loose. If the government were try to collect our guns I would recommend staying away from such rural places if you don't have relatives who recognize you by face. You'd not likely return alive. I guarantee that the rural sheriff's departments would be on the side of the locals, too. Troops coming in to confiscate guns (remember that the first step to confiscating guns would be to dismantle the posse comitatus act) from those people would wish they were back in Iraq where they were relatively safe.

I think for a historical precedent of what the government could expect if they went into northern Minnesota and tried to confiscate guns, they should look to the Soviets attempt to conquer Finland during World War II. I suspect our government troops would have as much success as did the Soviets against the Finnish farmers (many of whom were directly related to the farmers in northern Minnesota).

[iapetus]

So I guess you are going to say they are still legal but the laws have forced the majority of the clubs to shut down?

Probably something like that - there may be some law or laws that are making it too difficult or expensive for some clubs to keep running, although I don't know of any specific cases, or what particular law they are talking about.


Are you allowed to own a Ruger 10/22 and keep it in your home if you are just some blue-collar worker?

Yes, but there are hoops to jump through. See http://www.met.police.uk/firearms-enquiries/index.htm (here) for UK firearm regulations.

In short, to own a "firearm", you need a licence, and to get a licence you need:
* a "good reason" to own the firearm (e.g. you are a member of a shooting club, you are a hunter, etc).
* somewhere secure to keep it
* "good character" references from two people who have known you for at least 2 years, and who are not relatives, members of your gun club, serving police officers (I guess to prevent corruption, as its the police who approve the licence), and (:barf: elitist) "professional".
* No criminal convictions equating to 3 months or longer in jail
* possibly other stuff as well

Note that each firearm you own must be licenced in this way. (Most shotguns are classified as "shotguns" rather than "firearms", and licenced differently - you need a licence to own "shotguns", but that allows you to buy as many as you like whenever you feel like it, for whatever reason. They still have to be registered though).


I don't _know_ the answer. It would be interesting to hear since I've seen and heard lots of bad stuff about gun control in the UK and then in Australia. I seem to remember the UK even restricts the power of air rifles. Probably banks robbed all the time with those.
Gregg

Air rifles with power over 12 ft/lb (and air pistols over 6 ft/lb) are classified as "firearms", and subject to the licencing requirements described above. Lower powered ones are unrestricted, but you now cannot have them in a public place without "good reason".

[A2lockdown]

i started a new thread with more info and stuff everyone can do about it. HELP!! Canada Under attack. To all Americans who are supporting us up here in the peoples republic of Canada, THANK YOU. American politics and media have a profound effect north of the border. Write to our PM and premiers, your elected representatives, the media, the NRA, everyone who has influence. If anyone has quotable stats on Brazil, Australia, Britain and/or Mexico, please post them here as they are the best ammo we have against the Liberal beast. we have to get the message out before its too late. And yes, letters on paper signed in ink are the best, but we will take any help you can give. Try to get the NRA involved in this, they helped in Brazil.
GOD BLESS
and if it comes down to it, "...cold, dead hands!" is whats gonna happen here in Alberta, i was at the range, the air was black and it felt like we were on the brink of a civil war. oh yea, the USA was formed when they got sick of being screwed from thousands of miles away, hmmm....

[losangeles]

Dang, and I thought I had it rough here in Los Angeles County with the difficulty in getting a CCW permit! Wow!

[dance varmint]

There will be a giant sucking sound as the jobs of American criminals are exported to Canada where they can make a more profitable career.
Go ahead, Liberals.

[xd9fan]

right you are R.H. Lee
:banghead:

[Firehand]

A while back a friend bought a Martini that had originally been a school rifle in England. He managed to get hold of the man who'd been in charge of the riflery program, who told him that the laws on ranges, storage, etc. had become so expensive and difficult to meet that most schools were closing their ranges and selling the rifles.

That's not counting the schools run by socialist weenies who were looking for any excuse to close them anyway.

[LAR-15]

This is good news!

US criminals will move north!