Does Your MIS Dept. Block Gun Sites?


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amprecon
April 5, 2003, 01:17 AM
I would like to know from all of those whose jobs involve using computers and their networks, if your company blocks gun sites from access. Mine does and it bugs me.
My job has long periods of inactivity at times and I used to be able to entertain myself by browsing the gun related websites and such. But recently whenever I try to access a gun related website I get a statement that says "You have been stopped from viewing this Web Site!! If there is a problem contact the MIS department."
Luckily I can still acces THR, at least until they realize it's a gun related site, then it'll be blocked also. Any recommendations or suggestions, or "I feel your pain" sympathy? I wish I knew how to get around it.

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Zundfolge
April 5, 2003, 01:25 AM
The head of IS where I work has a bumper sticker that says; "My President Is Charlton Heston".

I ain't too worried

:)

tomkatz
April 5, 2003, 01:27 AM
I work for a school district so everything is filtered. The high road works for me though, it is the only one that does. I sometimes go to a mountain bike forum and even that is blocked in the school district, don't ask me why......tom

Telperion
April 5, 2003, 01:43 AM
Is www.jobrelatedstuff.com blocked?

It is, after all, quite germane to office activities. ;)

amprecon
April 5, 2003, 01:47 AM
I get a Cannot Find Server window for that site.........wait a minute, that was a joke right? :scrutiny:

Mike Irwin
April 5, 2003, 02:21 AM
Thank God no.

I'd go nuts on slow days.

Telperion
April 5, 2003, 03:16 AM
jobrelatedstuff is a mirror for ar15.com. But evidently, ar15.com is down due to some problems with inclement weather, so you can't get to either.

Jesse H
April 5, 2003, 04:40 AM
I AM the "MIS" department. :D

Pendragon
April 5, 2003, 05:00 AM
I work at a major computer company - the one that goes by 2 initials and started out making calculators... ;)

Nothing I would surf has been shown to be blocked.

One thing you could try - try going to an anonymous proxy - I have not used one in a while. Some are free - but those are usually slow and do not show pictures (so people dont anonymously surf porn)

Another thing to try if you have the savvy: use remote control software to control your home PC (VNC is a good free ware prog for this) Then - use your home PC to do it...

Finally, you might be able to access the site by IP address - but not often if it is properly blocked. Maybe the admins or somebody could setup an alternate URL - "THRData.net" or similar...

*** You should know that in some companies, getting caught circumventing these measures can get you canned. Try at your own risk...

Ala Dan
April 5, 2003, 05:52 AM
my employer does block not only firearms related
web site's; but any and all web site's that
pertain to violence, such as military related site's!:uhoh:

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member

Nathaniel Firethorn
April 5, 2003, 07:17 AM
Geez, Ala Dan, I work in PRNJ -- in fact, for an anal-retentive German company within a couple of miles of the least patriotic town in PRNJ (http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=7601995&BRD=1091&PAG=461&dept_id=425695&rfi=6) -- and even we don't get that!

- pdmoderator

ayeaye
April 5, 2003, 07:52 AM
Same as Jesse H. --

I AM the InfoSys Dept.

I do block CNN along w/ other sites though.

Chaz
April 5, 2003, 07:56 AM
I get full access. We are free to use as long as we dont abuse. Not supposed to use IM programs but I'm in tight with the IT manager so he lets me thru.

TarpleyG
April 5, 2003, 08:52 AM
I am in my IT department also although I do not make decisions pertaining to content filtering. Someone made a comment earlier about redirecting your proxy. That won't work for us because we filter on the firewall/router level. We also block ANYTHING to do with military, etc. I tried to go to the USMC site the other day and it was blocked.

I don't mind so much because there are a lot of sites that do not pertain to my work that are blocked. Not necessarily because they are deemed immoral or anything, but my boss wants me working while at work, not surfing. It is a huge problem in corporate america. We did some studies last year just monitoring and found that roughly 25-30% of an associates time was spent surfing the Internet on non-job-related sites.

What does that mean? Well, for a user making $50,000/yr it means he is getting $12,500 for sitting on his/her duff not doing anything for the company.

Another thing to consider (for my company anyway) is the liability of an associate viewing inappropriate material and someone else seeing it and being offended and bringing a law suit. You laugh, but it happened to us. IIRC, in California of all places :rolleyes:

You folks may not like it but it does serve a purpose for a company.

GT

thumbtack
April 5, 2003, 10:42 AM
The company that I work does not filter anything. :D

Sisco
April 5, 2003, 10:57 AM
Nope. Our SA has more guns than I do. He's built computers for gunshop owners and took his fee out in merchandise.

priv8ter
April 5, 2003, 11:55 AM
Since you guys kind of are my employers(I work for a federal shipyard) I am embaressed to admit to you that my IT system does not block off gun websites. My only problem comes from my boss...he just want's to make sure I'm not shopping for a gun to use on him.

spacemanspiff
April 5, 2003, 02:13 PM
my office is rather small, but i know my boss would like it if i couldnt surf non-work related sites. the axe swings both ways however. he'd have to give up searching for the perfect golf club or accessory online.

course, i do have to go in and help him at least once a week figure out how to use the space bar, the enter key, or the tab button.



i'm not joking. i really have to help him with those little things.
we just recently taught him how to use email.

(yesterday i estimated that i spent an hour before lunch here and on glocktalk. i then faked that i worked during that lunch period while still surfing online, and took my lunch break after that. another hour was spent before quitting time, leaving me only 3.5 hours to actually work yesterday. i figure its justified because of all my unpaid overtime.)

foghornl
April 5, 2003, 02:49 PM
In my employers small company, I am the MIS Department. So, blocking 'The High Road' as they say ..."A.H.".....Ain't happnin.....:D

bad_dad_brad
April 5, 2003, 03:50 PM
Not generally. The company policy is to use the internet primarily for business reasons. Of course, the obvious list of porno, etc. are denied, as are most internet email sites, but they would probably only block a gun related site if it caused a high bandwidth problem to our network or took a distasteful turn.

hutch24
April 5, 2003, 04:10 PM
Spacemanspiff,
You don't happen to work for a radio station do you? Cause your boss sounds exactly like my step-dad. :what: :D

I am pretty much the IT department for the company I work for so we don't have any sites blocked. :cool:

10-Ring
April 5, 2003, 04:26 PM
...are you kidding? My MIS dept blocks access to the company site! :banghead: The last thing on their minds is blocking gun sites. Their primary task seems to be keeping our network up & running :cuss:

spacemanspiff
April 5, 2003, 05:18 PM
no hutch, i work for an insurance office. all we do is push paper. dont sell, dont adjust claims, dont even talk to the insureds. we dot the i's and cross the t's.

but at least i'm somewhat discreet about my "misuse" of company resources. theres a couple coworkers that dont even try to hide the fact they use ebay a couple hours a day or play on yahoo games.

Peetmoss
April 5, 2003, 05:20 PM
Nope not blocked at work and I work at for a school district. I havn't ever had a problem going to a site for guns. I surf all the time on lunch. I even bought my stuff from ammoman on my work computer. Only thing thats filterd is porn and hotmail.

MikeK
April 5, 2003, 07:09 PM
I am my own MIS dept., since I'm self-employed in that line of work. My main customer, a national religious organization, blocks nothing. On databases I've set up there that have WEB links in their databases, my default is the NRA WEB site.

On a related note, I was discussing some potential work with the county school system and fired up my laptop to demo a system. I hadn't used it in a while and forgot my wallpaper was a Les Baer 1911. Should have seen the look on the woman's face! She wasn't that horrified and we had a brief chat about taking my daughter shooting.

I can understand an employer blocking WEB sites. It's their equipment, employees and money. However, they should block all non work-related sites.

Pointman
April 5, 2003, 07:42 PM
I am the head of IT in our company and I / we don't block anything. Though i will occassionally block a gaming or job site just to let people know they're spending too much time there.

Besides, if I blocked stuff, the log files wouldn't be nearly as interesting! :neener:

Bowlcut
April 5, 2003, 07:43 PM
I am part of the MIS department at work. The boss brought up the computer use policy not too long ago and that we could be fired for breaking the rules. Not sure if it was directed at me or a few others that are starting to surf more on gun sites or what. But i doubt it as he is exmilitary and does talk guns with us occasionaly.

And depending on your network you probaly couldnt get around blocking of websites easily. If you are on a Novell type network using Boardermanager with a halfway pairanoid MIS department then you cant get around it. If they shut down ports then you cant... If they didnt then you can use VNC or such to go around. Id go a step further if you can do that, use a VPN tunnel. And use the home box as your route out, set it up to share the internet connection.

Pendragon
April 5, 2003, 10:01 PM
Someone made a comment earlier about redirecting your proxy. That won't work for us because we filter on the firewall/router level. We also block ANYTHING to do with military, etc. I tried to go to the USMC site the other day and it was blocked.

If you have access to the web proxy, you can access anything and your filter will not be able to stop you.

You do this:

go to www.super-proxy.com (fake)

they will have a box where you type in www.nra.org

Your browser will go to a url that looks like:

www.super-proxy.com/!$#@$%#$%@!#213344/

Yet the NRA page will come up.

Moondancer
April 6, 2003, 12:42 PM
Yes, but only during working hours (7:00 am to 5:00 pm). Anything listed as "Violence", "Weapons", game, chat rooms, etc. are blocked during work times. After five pm, though almost anything is opened up.

"Sex" is blocked at all times. :D Don't ask me how I know.

Jeff OTMG
April 6, 2003, 03:08 PM
I worked for a company that restricted access to gun sites. I got a copy of the corporate internet usage policy and found stuff in there about not using the internet for political purposes and for offensive speech. I went to the legal dept. and filed a complaint that the internet babysitter software they were using, SURFWATCH, was in violation of out internet policy because it was blocking access to a constitutionally protected LEGAL activity supporting the Democrat party platform and that since guns were blocked as part of the 'violence' area I was being accused of being a violent person, which I considered offensive, and if guns were violent why were they legal. I got access.

HarryRod
April 6, 2003, 04:18 PM
Luckily I run my MIS department.

:D



http://www.wheelgun.com

StLGlocker
April 6, 2003, 08:21 PM
I maintain the filtering for my company. Aside from things that could bring us legal trouble (e.g. harassment suits by offended employees) like porn and "Aryan Nation" type crap, everything's pretty much open, including gun-related sites. I only block stuff that has an adverse affect on our bandwidth, for example a doppler radar tracking thing that several people were using. It refreshed itself every 5 seconds, as if a storm's position could change so fast :rolleyes: , and it was killing everyone's connection speed.

Other than that, I don't care who does what with their internet access. :D

Hot brass
April 6, 2003, 08:44 PM
The gun sites are not filtered, but some non gun sites are?

m.i.sanders
April 6, 2003, 09:32 PM
My company blocks "weapons and violance" sites. Luckly, I control the firewall, the webfilter, and pretty much everything else :D dealing with where people can go. THR is definetly on the approved list. If it was up to me, I wouldn't block the gun sites.

JW2
April 6, 2003, 09:37 PM
I work for a pretty big company and luckily they don't block anything I have ever tried to access including gun websties and forums. Good thing since some days I have virtually nothing to do other than surf the 'net.

cordex
April 7, 2003, 12:53 AM
I advised the head of IT at our company in the purchase of his last four firearms.

Go ahead ... guess if gun related sites are blocked.

GlocksRock
April 7, 2003, 12:27 PM
Some are, some aren't, I suspect this one will be added to the short list soon.

MeekandMild
April 7, 2003, 12:35 PM
HAR! They didn't give me a cable to plug into the network at work!! :neener:

spacemanspiff
April 7, 2003, 12:46 PM
i can send you some CAT5 meek...got enough spare wiring around here so that i could rappel out of this 5th story window. :D

Raistlin
April 7, 2003, 12:55 PM
My company blocks "weapons and violance" sites. Luckly, I control the firewall, the webfilter, and pretty much everything else dealing with where people can go. THR is definetly on the approved list. If it was up to me, I wouldn't block the gun sites.

Sounds like you're running CheckPoint's Firewall-1. When we had that, I was the admin, so my favorite gun forums were added to the accepted list rather quickly... We use a different firewall now, and it doesn't mention "weapons" or "violence" in the filtering. :D

45R
April 7, 2003, 12:56 PM
I AM my works IT guy. :)!!!!

Shazbat
April 7, 2003, 03:22 PM
My company has since Jan. of last year, ar15.com, assaultweb, TFL, glocktalk, even frugal squirrel's.

This site has escaped their radar so far :D

blades67
April 7, 2003, 03:38 PM
Nope.:cool:

If they did, I wouldn't be able to post from work. But I don't post while I'm on the clock. That would be wrong.:D

RustyHammer
April 7, 2003, 04:12 PM
I am the "computer god" around there! Not blocked. (Sound of thunder, flash of lightning) :neener:

dance varmint
April 7, 2003, 04:48 PM
While there are no restrictions here, I browse via my Linux box at home which is on DSL. I use SSH (secure shell) from work to home, and the text browser 'links'. SSH encrypts everything, so nothing can be read by anyone within our LAN, it does not have graphics so it doesn't appear to be time-wasting frivolity, and it does not cache anything on my office computer's drive.

boyd425
April 7, 2003, 05:42 PM
TarpleyG said "We did some studies last year just monitoring and found that roughly 25-30% of an associates time was spent surfing the Internet on non-job-related sites.
What does that mean? Well, for a user making $50,000/yr it means he is getting $12,500 for sitting on his/her duff not doing anything for the company."

Huh, that's not what I get from it. What I see is a company that hires people who behave unethically (will take your study at face value only for the sake of argument, I don't assume the conclusion) and that the same company has supervisor/manager personnel who prefer to have their jobs done by routers and IT studies.
I have -certainly- worked jobs where -I- spent ~20% of the hours between 9am and 5pm surfing sites my employer didn't require me to read, usually in IT work and always in jobs where I was there until 9 or 10 at night every day fixing systems and more then making up for that time. Far too many employers treat their people like simple costs in a ledger, many of those same employers do "studies" with poor premises and predictable results. All Just IMO.

illuminatus99
April 7, 2003, 08:21 PM
nope, don't block any at all.

I worked for one company who did though, I just set up terminal services on my home PC and logged in and surfed from there.

CAP
April 7, 2003, 09:49 PM
No but we do get quarterly reminders about company usage policies.

I'm in IS and we are the keeper of the keys to the kingdom. :D

UnknownSailor
April 7, 2003, 10:21 PM
Strangely enough, TFL was blocked for me, right before the end, but THR is still able to make it through.

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