[Boats]

My personal bet is that the HK P7M13 returns to these shores priced only slightly higher than the M8.

The Glock 17/19 might profit.

The XD .357SIG/.40 might take off. This isn't really a comeback, I know.

The Walther/SW99 might become way more popular.

Any other candidates?

[Lone_Gunman]

I would think most of the wondernines would have a resurgence in popularity.

The 1911 might see decreased sales again, like during the previous wondernine explosion.

[swampgator]

I once heard a rumor that Glock has quite a few full capacity mags in storage Smyrna in anticipation of the sunset.

Same rumor says Gaston is upset that people are paying over $100 for a mag.

My guess is that he's upset that Glock isn't seeing the profits of these exaggerated sales.

[10-Ring]

Even if Federal law was repealed, I'd still have to see what would happen to CA laws :cuss:

[Greg L]

Not handgun related, but there will be a whole bunch of fun to be had with 10/22's with lots of capacity.

Greg

[bad_dad_brad]

Glock 17 and 19s for sure. And most wondernines too. I doubt it will happen. I won't pay $100 for a 15 round 19 mag. I have a cheap 18 round 17 mag (USA) that I won't use.

I would love to have hi-cap 17 mags just because I am so lazy when it comes to loading them on the range.

[Shane]

Even if Federal law was repealed, I'd still have to see what would happen to CA laws

Same here. I'm in Granola Land too. The chances of Granola Land repealing the high cap magazine laws is zero. Even if the Federal law is revoked after the 10 year limit, Granola Land will still ban hi caps IMO. :(

[Lone_Gunman]

If this thing sunsets, there is gonna be a lot crying from people who bought $100 hi caps !!!

[Skunkabilly]

Tee hee hee! :D

http://www.uws.com/CMAG/PIC/MP5.jpeg

http://www.uws.com/CMAG/PIC/BETAMAG.jpeg

[opus1776]

A couple of things to keep in mind.... If anyone thinks that once the AWB dies that there will be cheap high cap mags will be sadly disappointed. My guess is that all of the manufacturers know what people have been willing to pay for pre-ban hi-caps. SO the days of $16 hi-caps are gone. Most likely factory hi-caps will be around $30 a piece.... :cuss: ( just a guess, but I have no doubt that the hi-caps will be higher than the 10 rounders......)

Greg L, Hell will have to completely freeze over before Ruger makes hi-caps available to civilians. If I remember correctly, JeffOTMG asked the Ruger reps about this at the SHOT show and the Ruger reps replied that they would not make hi-caps for civies...... :rolleyes:

[Tamara]

The double-stack midsize nines that were so popular before the ban might stage a resurgence; 13-15 rounds of 9mm in a G19/P-229 sized package is a strong temptation to a lot of folks.

[Shane]

The double-stack midsize nines that were so popular before the ban might stage a resurgence; 13-15 rounds of 9mm in a G19/P-229 sized package is a strong temptation to a lot of folks.

Most definitely. A 15 round 9mm is very tempting.

I'm pretty much SOL though, since regardless of what the Feds do Granola State will NOT revoke its own ban on high caps.

[Boats]

I don't know that the "wondernine" will see a resurgence. I do think that the long term tendency is to make the 9mm the new mousegun round. Now, having full cap .357 SIG, .40 S&W and 10mm duty size weapons might bring those cartridges into their heyday.

If the mag ban dies, I predict the .45Glock dying into a curiousity with it. the .45G is designed to take advantage, in part of the perceived leveller of restricted high caps. Why on earth would anyone want a .45G when they could have 10+1 of the real article or a 12+1 HK USP?

[yankytrash]

Not a handgun, but if the magcap, I just might go out and buy me one of them Siaga 12 gauges and a handful of 40rd mags for it.:D


Hey, you know some crazy American is going to try it if nobody else does.;)

[zahc]

Greg L. said:
"Not handgun related, but there will be a whole bunch of fun to be had with 10/22's with lots of capacity."

Word.
:D

[TheOtherOne]

"Not handgun related, but there will be a whole bunch of fun to be had with 10/22's with lots of capacity."
We need to seriously push this part of it. There are ALOT of people out there who are occasional plinkers and have no idea that you can't buy new 10+ round mags for 22 rifles.

I was at Wal-Mart the other day buying some ammo and a customer came up and asked the kid behind the counter for a brick of ammo and a couple of .22 "clips" and when the worker handed him the ten rounders, the customer said "No, can I get some that hold more".... he was really surprised when told that there was a law forbidding it.

If everyone like that realized what the AWB really was all about, then hopefully they could be convinced to write their reps too! Too many semi-gun people think it's a ban on full auto weapons and a great thing to have. Once the sunset draws closer, I hope the NRA starts a good advertising campaign explaining what the AWB is really doing to honest people.

[cratz2]

With as much proliferation of quality guns and good defensive ammo in 30ACP, I'd like to see a G26/G27 sized pistol, but thinner, that holds about 25 rounds of 32ACP with a magzines available with a spacer to properly hold HP ammo.

And I think a lot of guys that paid $85-$100 for 'standard cap' Glock magazines are gonna be kinda PO'd when they're only $20.

[litework]

Para Ordanance. Their unique, high capacity 1911 was a strong selling point for those guys.

[Beorn]

If we could just VOTE those liberal mouth-breathers out of office, we could get our rights back here in the PRK.

Remember, Reagan was Governor here for like 200 years or something... There's GOTTA be some more conservative folks in this most populous state!

[Blueduck]

Not sure so much a comeback but maybe a huge expansion I'd say HK.

Most the usual suspects (Glock, Sig, Ruger, S/W) have hi-caps if you really want them ($$$), but HK was pretty much left out in the cold. Also really the only gun fullsize/compact pistol I can think of that seems to be gaining popularity.

Rumors of HK being the new Border Patrol pistol, lots of Federal State arms now in the stage of needing replaced. Always mumblings about the M-16 service rifle while all seems quiet from nations using the G-36. More rumors of an HK-USA plant being planned. If I was looking for a firearms company to invest in....

[Nero Steptoe]

"If the mag ban dies, what is due for a comeback?"

Frozen-over Hell, that's what!

[Tamara]

Always mumblings about the M-16 service rifle while all seems quiet from nations using the G-36.

That may be because the nation (Is it actually plural?) using the G36 hasn't actually, you know, had to shoot at anybody with them yet. I've seen plenty of anecdotal pining for the G3 from soldaten. Groovy as the G36 looks, I hesitate to let "HK fan" enthusiasm run away with me... :scrutiny: ;)

[Triad]

Tamara, I believe Spain and Nepal have adopted the G36, there may be others as well.

[mini14jac]

One word: Calico!

Forget 15 rounds! How about 100 rounds in the .22.
What was the capacity of the Calico 9mm? 50rds?
Cool! :cool:

Ruger 10/22. Quality Mini14 mags.
I'd buy another Glock.....

[natedog]

Those Calico's are awesome! Plus, they design/make them in my home town (Bakersfield, CA)

[seeker_two]

Hell will have to completely freeze over before Ruger makes hi-caps available to civilians. If I remember correctly, JeffOTMG asked the Ruger reps about this at the SHOT show and the Ruger reps replied that they would not make hi-caps for civies......

Of course, when their sales drop in comparison to the other non-diminished capacity autoloaders that their competitors WILL sell, I bet Ruger will change their tune.

Not sure so much a comeback but maybe a huge expansion I'd say HK.

If they build a plant in the US (esp. to avoid import taxes a-la Beretta), that will help them more...:D

Forget 15 rounds! How about 100 rounds in the .22.

I think .22's (lr & mag.) hi-cap plinker pistols & rifles will both make a huge comeback. Calico's for certain, and I think they may bring back that Grendel-ish .22Mag w/ the 20-rd. mags. Now that was a plinker...:evil:

[Selfdfenz]

If the ban goes away, factory hi caps will be common again and cheaper. No company will be a stand alone when all the others are making hi caps availaible for THEIR products.
I wonder how average Joe Gunowner will look upon the added weight and balance changes of a fully loaded 15 or 17 or 18 round mag when all he has ever had were the 10 shots mags that came with the pistol.

I hope this law goes by-by but we'll see.

S-

[Nightcrawler]

Even if, say, Ruger, insists on only making 10-rounders, I'm sure Mec-Gar will step up and make the higher capacity ones. Aftermarket magazines didn't always used to be crap (Mec-Gars have always been good). It's just that USA and others churned out so many right before the ban that QC went straight down the tubes.

I'm not sure. FAL mags are already cheap, but it'll be nice to have some new manufactuered 20 rouders on the market. I'd like to see somebody make both a 25 and a 15 round magazine for the FAL, though.

Also, my semiauto pistol, the CZ-97, only holds 10 rounds. The grip isn't wide enough to fit more than that in it, I don't think. Though a 15-20 round mag that didn't fit flush would be fun for the range. :)

I'd definately buy a very lightweight, .22 plinking rifle if I could get 25 round magazines for it.

[Okiecruffler]

Kel-Tec could redesign and produce the old Grendel P30. 30 rds of 22 mag and the smiles begin. And then I hope all of you pistol guys who have been buying revolvers because you couldn't get your hi-cap mags will stop buying revolvers and the prices will come down. A guy can dream can't he?

[Trisha]

I have a place in my heart (and my safe) for a pair of G20's with hi-cap mags! Ditto for a pair of G21's!

As Bailey, CO isn't patrolled by the fashion police, I have no problem with clothing suitable to conceal such - and the G21 has proven itself to be absolutely reliable in a harsh environment over the years.

In the interim, my 'everywhere outside' personal firearm remains the HK USPc.

The 10mm has wonderful handloading potential - and only the ban has kept me from exploring it, as I see the G20 as its' ideal platform.

Trisha

[3 gun]

Para 18-9.

[samualt]

Yes, Calico. I just found them in the Calico Section (http://www.gunsamerica.com/fast.cgi?guncat=1242) at GunsAmerica auctions.
I guess the ban put them out of business big time. I mean, a 100 round 9mm carbine...wow.

[Onslaught]

And I think a lot of guys that paid $85-$100 for 'standard cap' Glock magazines are gonna be kinda PO'd when they're only $20.
I honestly do not believe that you will see another $20 factory full capacity mag in the US. As has been mentioned... Gaston (and others) are not happy that they get no profit from people paying $75 - $100 per mag. I would not be surprised to see Glock mags costing $35 - $40 each, while mags for pistols like Walther or Beretta would be $40 - $50 each and perhaps even $60 for the H&K USP's, since their mags already cost $40.

On the other hand... gelded 10 round used "range mags" will be available for $5 - $10 each... ;)

One can only hope (and vote)

[George Hill]

Skunkabilly - Here is a photoshop challenge for you...

A Beta-C Mag for our Berettas!:evil:

[TheMariner]

Definite fun with .22LR

As far as my sidearm, hmmm... 2 more rounds of .40S&W isn't really that much... Maybe all the 10rd mags will get dirt cheap as peeps buy the bigger mags... then I'd buy one or two hi-caps and a bunch of cheaper 10rders!

[Serpico]

I think the ban makes all of us better marksmen....

[Navy joe]

I dunno, I don't think anything really died as a result of the ban. Lemme see, the P35 will make a comback. Oops never left. :) The Glock 17 will get more popular...as if it could. I doubt 1911 stuff will die, a very robust industry, and the capacity ban had nothing at all to do with me wanting them. As said the only winners will be newer pistols that never had a U.S. hicap supply.

Personally, I will go forth and buy 5 new production C-mags just in case they change their minds. I will buy an STi for competition if the prices on new tubes drop. I have 75 some odd big mags about the house, Since some are Glock and M-14 mags, while others are BHP and AR mags, lets assign a conservative current value of 30 bucks a pop. Hey, that's 2250, a chunk of change. Expect that to shrivel by at least 50%. If the ban is made permanent, I will be a dumb*ss for not having more. Gun-owners as a group will be one fat straw closer to breaking.

[Schuey2002]

If the mag ban dies, what is due for a comeback?
Glock 32 round mags that cost $20-$30 a piece instead of the $100++ that they currently go for..:rolleyes: ;)

[Onslaught]

Glock 32 round mags that cost $20-$30 a piece instead of the $100++ that they currently go for..

NO WAY that will happen... Look if you had TONS of a product that you couldn't sell, but the used ones were going for $100+ each... Then suddenly you COULD sell that product BRAND NEW, are you gonna sell them for $20 each?

Supply and demand... If the ban goes bye bye, EVERYBODY with a Glock, Kel-Tec Sub2K, converted PC9, and probably people who don't even OWN glocks are going to want to go out on DAY 1 and buy 20 full-caps, and 10 hi-caps... Now, what gun shop in their right mind is going to sell them for $20 each when they used to be able to get $100 a pop?

I would expect Glock 18 (32 round mags) to still be $50+ each... At least for the short term... And I wouldn't expect any of the mag prices to return to "normal" unless there's a Constitutional amendment banning mag capacity bans, which ain't gonna happen.

As long as the memory of "the ban" sticks with us, there will always be those who hoard mags "just in case I can't get anymore one day" and there will also be those who buy MANY MANY because "just in case they ban them again, I can sell them for $100 each".

If I'm wrong, If brand new Glock Factory 32 round mags go back to $20 - $30 a piece within the first YEAR after the sunset, I'll BUY you one...

And it won't just be mags either... If suddenly we can all buy AR15's with pre-ban features again, do you think they're gonna sell for $699? HECK no! back in '93 when the ban was just a proposal, AR's went up near $1000. I'd expect that somewhere between manufacturer and gun shop, somebody's gonna increase their profit margin, and "post-pre-ban" AR's will be $900 a pop, while "ex-post ban" uppers will be $299 on sale.

But if I'm "off" on that one, I ain't buying nobody an AR, so don't ask! :D

[ahenry]

I honestly do not believe that you will see another $20 factory full capacity mag in the US. As has been mentioned... Gaston (and others) are not happy that they get no profit from people paying $75 - $100 per mag. Luckily If Glock insists on gouging the price of their mags, plenty of other aftermarket mag manufacturers will step right up and fill the gap. If the ban sunsets you will see cheap, quality hi-cap mags.

[Justin]

I think that the biggest 'comeback' will be for guns that never had a chance in the first place, the Steyr M9/40 and S9/40 as well as guns chambered for rounds like 357 SIG and, to a certain extent, .40 S&W.

Of course, then there's always a chance that some of these will get made for the market:

http://www.m1911.org/images/drum2.jpg


(Image taken from http://www.m1911.org/technic15.htm )

[gudel]

when is exactly the ban expired?

[Navy joe]

when is exactly the ban expired?

Boy, that sure is an all your base are belong to us sentence. :D

September of next year, the 94 AW ban expires. Political pressure to re-new it will be high. You need to tell your Congressman that it is a bad law that has not reduced crime and you will vote him/her out of office if they continue being little gungrabbers On second thought, where you live, just pray, you'll get better results.

[stevelyn]

If suddenly we can buy AR-15s with pre-ban features again, do you think they're going to sell for $699 ?

If the AWB dies the agonizing death it deserves, features will be irrelevant. There are plenty of us out here breaking out the ol' tap and die set anticipating threading the barrels, ordering real flash hiders and collapsable/folding stocks from our favorite aftermarket supplier, and thinking of ordering post ban uppers for mating to pre lowers.
And think of the nice FAL that can be built with Imbel recievers and parts. :D :D

Point is, it won't matter. There are plenty of parts floating around to modify previously post ban rifles and mags.

[jimbo]

Beorn,

Reagan was California Governor before the state was flooded with an additional 4 million immigrants.

There are 4 registered Democrats for every 3 registered Republicans.

A 31% Democrat voter turnout would still beat a 40% Republican voter tunout, which is pretty much impossible to get these days anyway.

The State is irretrievable lost. Our best option is to leave when possible and take our tax dollars with us.

[Onslaught]

Luckily If Glock insists on gouging the price of their mags, plenty of other aftermarket mag manufacturers will step right up and fill the gap. If the ban sunsets you will see cheap, quality hi-cap mags.
In my "aftermarket mag" experience, you've used one word too many...

*quality*

:D

If the AWB dies the agonizing death it deserves, features will be irrelevant. There are plenty of us out here breaking out the ol' tap and die set anticipating threading the barrels, ordering real flash hiders and collapsable/folding stocks from our favorite aftermarket supplier, and thinking of ordering post ban uppers for mating to pre lowers.
An excellent point... I meant the lowers in general (AR specific) would go up in price... You're correct about the uppers though. I'm not "do-it-yourself" capable, so I tend to forget that part.

If it does sunset... the sale of telescoping stocks is gonna go through the roof initially :D

[seeker_two]

Here's what I'm looking forward to...

When the AWB expires like a vampire at sunrise, the people of America will rush out to purchase "hi-cap" magazines & the guns that can hold them--trading in the single-stack guns that they've kept b/c they were w/i a round or two of the mag limit (i.e. S&W 3913, Walther P-1, 1911's in .45 & .38 Super, etc). Gun dealers, flooded w/ the single-stack trade-ins, will sell them at rock-bottom prices.

And I'll be waiting...:evil:

[WilderBill]

I always thought the best answer to the "lots of 9 MM or a few .45s" question was the Para Ord P14.

Mag prices will be governed by supply and demand.

[New_comer]

Read over at shooters that your prexy GWB isn't too keen in overturning the US mag ban...

This topic may end up moot & academic... :(

[..]

who knows what'll be popular. everything will fly off the shelve for fear of another ban taking effect. i myself would stock up on glock mags like no tomorrow.

[Remander]

Your man Bush probably will not allow the sunset, according to reports posted on the "legal and political" forum and various news sources.

Here is one article from the Philadelphia paper:

Gun-control debate resumes
The assault-weapons ban expires in '04, and in a surprise, Bush says he supports an extension.
By Shannon McCaffrey
Inquirer Washington Bureau

WASHINGTON - The Bush administration is bucking the National Rifle Association and supporting a renewal of the assault-weapons ban, set to expire just before the presidential election.

"The President supports the current law, and he supports reauthorization of the current law," White House spokesman Scott McClellan said.

Tossing out the ban on semiautomatic weapons is a priority for the NRA. President Bush said during his 2000 presidential campaign that he supported the ban, but it was less clear whether he would support an extension.

The White House comment comes just before the NRA's annual convention, in Orlando, Fla., April 24-27, and as the gun debate overall shows signs of fresh life after several years of near hibernation. Republicans control the House and the Senate and are using their newfound power to revive the stalled gun-rights agenda.

Last week, they pushed through a bill in the House to give gun makers and dealers sweeping immunity from lawsuits.

The assault-weapons ban is considered a crown jewel by the gun-control movement, and even though its expiration is more than a year away, it is already being watched closely.

The 1994 bill made it illegal to manufacture, sell or possess certain semiautomatic weapons that discharge one shot for each pull of the trigger and automatically load a round of ammunition without being cocked. The prohibition expires in September 2004.

Attorney General John Ashcroft, who like Bush is a staunch gun-rights supporter, muddied the waters in a recent appearance before the Senate Judiciary Committee when he refused to say whether the administration supported an extension. Ashcroft cited a 1999 Justice Department report that said the ban's impact on deadly gun violence was unclear.

Ashcroft has been pushing a gun-rights agenda at the Justice Department, seeking to have federal background checks on gun sales destroyed after 24 hours and embracing an expansive interpretation of the Second Amendment's guarantee of gun-ownership rights.

The White House comment surprised those on both sides of the gun issue.

"That's lousy politics," said Grover Norquist, an NRA board member who leads the pro-Bush group Americans for Tax Reform.

Joe Sudbay of the Violence Policy Center said it "creates a huge problem for Bush with the NRA."

"The NRA said they would be working out of the Oval Office when Bush was elected," he said. "This creates an interesting situation for them."

Matt Bennett of Americans for Gun Safety applauded Bush's stance but urged the President to use his political clout to push Congress to act. If Congress does nothing, the ban could just expire.

Wayne LaPierre, executive vice president of the NRA, said Bush's support was somewhat irrelevant.

"Ultimately, I think this issue is going to be decided by the Congress," LaPierre said.

If it is, the NRA has reason to be optimistic.

Last week's action on the immunity legislation for dealers and gun makers reflected the interest of Republicans to resurrect the gun-rights agenda.

Congress had been poised to act on the bill last fall, but the sniper attacks in the Washington area prompted a delay. The measure has enough cosponsors in the Senate to pass that chamber unless Democrats dig in their heels and filibuster.

Supporters of the immunity bill say it shields gun makers from bankruptcy because of frivolous lawsuits that became popular during the Clinton administration. Lawsuits filed by cities against gun manufacturers - modeled on similar litigation against the tobacco industry - have been unsuccessful but have kept gun makers tied up in court.

Gun-control advocates say the immunity bill will keep innocent victims of gun violence from getting their day in court.

The gun industry would become the first to receive blanket immunity protections if the bill succeeds.

The action on Capitol Hill coincides with another attempt in court to sue manufacturers, this one by the NAACP. Filed in New York, the NAACP suit contends that weapons disproportionately harm minorities. Although a number of cities have sued the gun industry - with little success - in an effort to collect damages for gun violence, the NAACP lawsuit seeks new restrictions on handgun marketing and distribution.

Testifying at the case was Robert Ricker, the former leader of the American Shooting Sports Council, the main gun industry trade association. He says weapons manufacturers have known for some time that dealers were selling firearms to juveniles and criminals but remained silent for fear of being held liable.

The active gun debate stands in contrast to several years of inaction.

Democrats largely abandoned the gun issue in the 2002 midterm election after some determined that it had been an albatross for Democratic presidential candidate Al Gore in 2000.

Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D., N.Y.), elected to Congress on a gun-control platform after her husband was killed and her son wounded by a deranged gunman on a Long Island commuter train in 1993, admits that some Democrats are nervous about the gun issue.

"But it's coming back. I think you're going to see it popping up a lot this session with the Republicans in control," she said.

[Schuey2002]

If I'm wrong, If brand new Glock Factory 32 round mags go back to $20 - $30 a piece within the first YEAR after the sunset, I'll BUY you one...
I am going to hold you to this.. I won't forget. Trust me!!!:evil:

[CZ-75]

Well, to answer the question posed in the thread title, a new ban restricting guns to 5 rounds, retroactive. This will include welding one chamber up on most revolvers to make them compliant.

Don't laugh. Kanada made folks do some hinkey things to keep their rifles with more than 5 round mags. :barf:

[DakotaSig]

It probably won't get heard over the noise from the antis, but the boost to our economy from letting the AWB sunset could be substantial. And just the thing to help incumbent republicans.;)