Finally, a gun-smart character in a horror film ("They Live" by John Carpenter)


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MatthewVanitas
December 13, 2005, 02:03 AM
Minor spoiler, ruins one scene but not whole plot.










I'm just at the beginning of this 1988 film, starring Roddy Piper. It's actually pretty good thus far. But I had to laugh out loud to finally see someone in a (semi) horror film doing what THR folks always suggest.

The hero has stumbled onto a dark, sinister conspiracy by sheer accident, and is confronted by two policemen, who he realizes are part of the conspiracy and out to silence him.

The unarmed hero takes out the cops with some nice Line Training moves, grabs the first evil-cop's sixgun, caps them both, runs to the patrol car, grabs their shotgun, and takes off.

After so many predictable "protagonist gets drop on villains, immobilizes them, and runs away empty handed like a frightened bunny", it's great to see a character seize the first opportunity to gear-up.

I'm liking the film thus far, seems to have some good libertarian-esque messages about authority, lack of strategic situational awareness, etc.

-MV

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Drizzt
December 13, 2005, 02:25 AM
What I like is that the fight between Timmy and Jimmy on South Park was a shot-by-shot copy of the fight from that movie between Roddy Piper and Keith David....

jsalcedo
December 13, 2005, 02:30 AM
Good movie, I haven't seen it since it came out.

White Horseradish
December 13, 2005, 03:06 AM
And it's got the best line:
"I have come to kick ass and chew bubble gum, and I'm all out of bubblegum..."

MTMilitiaman
December 13, 2005, 05:06 AM
And it's got the best line:
"I have come to kick ass and chew bubble gum, and I'm all out of bubblegum..."

OMG! I have to see that movie now! I only knew that line from Duke Nukem but always wondered where it came from. Now I know...

Braz
December 13, 2005, 06:12 AM
They Live is one of the best B horror movies ever made!

Full of great stuff, lines and as said the most amazing fight scene of all time.

It and 'The Hidden' rank as my favorite SHTF movies. Buy 'em, you'll love it.

Trebor
December 13, 2005, 08:28 AM
The resistance organization in "They Live" was totally inept. Their operational security was pathetic. Since they didn't use a cell structure organization, once someone was on the inside, everyone was exposed. Combine this with their lack of screening of potential members and it's no wonder the government/aliens rolled them up in the end. I loved the movie, but even back then I knew I could have done a better job running a resistance movement.

Now, the resistance on "V" had their **** together. Yeah, the show was kinda cheezy, but they showed how the resistance would have to deal with spys and traitors.

You guys can all plan on fighting Zombies if you want. Me, I'm getting ready for when the Lizard Aliens show up. Sure, laugh now, but when the aliens are stealing our water and fattening us up for slaughter, I'll be ready....(Sorry, I think my tinfoil hat is a little loose today)

jason10mm
December 13, 2005, 09:54 AM
Wel, then you will be happy to know that the reator of "V" is getting another shot at it. Supposedly the TV studio wants to "re-make" the original (chronologically updated probably) then move on with new stuff.

entropy
December 13, 2005, 10:17 AM
I want a pair of Roddy's sunglasses....:p

I like when he first puts them on....

"You, you're ugly." And the lizard-people start talking into their wristwatches...;)

The ending sequence with the lizards exposed, some in 'compromising' situations is hilarious.

"V" was great too, especially Mandy Patinkin giving birth...:p

As for alien invasion series' I liked "Earth:Final Conflict":)

VirgilCaine
December 13, 2005, 10:58 AM
I'm liking the film thus far, seems to have some good libertarian-esque messages about authority, lack of strategic situational awareness, etc.

It seems good so far, but there's one line that ruins the movie for me.

Drysdale
December 13, 2005, 01:00 PM
OMG! I have to see that movie now! I only knew that line from Duke Nukem but always wondered where it came from. Now I know...

You can find most of the other Duke Nukem lines in "Army of Darkness" with Bruce "Don't Call me Ash" Campbell.

armoredman
December 13, 2005, 01:44 PM
Shop smart, shop S-Mart!

Werewolf
December 13, 2005, 02:04 PM
You guys can all plan on fighting Zombies if you want. Me, I'm getting ready for when the Lizard Aliens show up. Sure, laugh now, but when the aliens are stealing our water and fattening us up for slaughter, I'll be ready....(Sorry, I think my tinfoil hat is a little loose today)
Lizard Aliens - You aren't referring to the Posleen are you? OH GAWD! NOT THE POSLEEN!!! :what:

Aside:Anyone that wants to read sci-fi war fiction written by a gunnie should read John Ringo's posleen books. Great stuff.

jsalcedo
December 13, 2005, 02:18 PM
It seems good so far, but there's one line that ruins the movie for me.

What line is that?

Justin
December 13, 2005, 02:23 PM
John Carpenter was king of 1980's scifi and horror.

gunsmith
December 13, 2005, 02:29 PM
they have been eroding our will to fight back and changing our history to deny us the means to fight back.
Sarah Brady is their leader!:evil:

Correia
December 13, 2005, 02:52 PM
Justin, John Carpenter is still the king. :)

Watch the Thing. I'm a connesieur of B movies, and that one still blows my mind, all these years later.

Devonai
December 13, 2005, 03:03 PM
The unarmed hero takes out the cops with some nice Line Training moves, grabs the first evil-cop's sixgun, caps them both, runs to the patrol car, grabs their shotgun, and takes off.

I thought he had the sunglasses by then and only shoots the alien cop.

:confused:

Phyphor
December 13, 2005, 03:56 PM
Lizard Aliens - You aren't referring to the Posleen are you? OH GAWD! NOT THE POSLEEN!!! :what:

Aside:Anyone that wants to read sci-fi war fiction written by a gunnie should read John Ringo's posleen books. Great stuff.

Ok, I just cleaned my nasal cavaties w/pepsi. Not fun.

I somehow don't recall the Posleen being particularly subtle about how they invaded.... :evil:

MatthewVanitas
December 13, 2005, 03:56 PM
He does indeed have the sunglasses by then, but I believe both cops were aliens. IIRC, he knocks down both alien-cops, disarms the first alien-cop and shoots him while he's on the ground, then when the second starts to get back up, shoots him too.

Are you thinking of the scene later on where Nada (Roddy) runs into an alleyway, is confronted by a human cop, and orders the human-cop to drop his revolver and leave?

I am still waiting for VirgilCaine's disliked line; I think I know what he's referring to.

The film did get pretty silly in places: a multi-planetary, multi-dimensional alien race has enslaved the Earth, and yet the broadcaster that sends out their brainswashing signal is just sitting out in the wide-open on top of an office building? No rent-a-cops standing on the roof? No backup devices? So lightly armored that a .38 shot destroys it? Not quite as savvy as they appeared to be...

-MV

VirgilCaine
December 13, 2005, 04:26 PM
I am still waiting for VirgilCaine's disliked line; I think I know what he's referring to.

The film did get pretty silly in places: a multi-planetary, multi-dimensional alien race has enslaved the Earth, and yet the broadcaster that sends out their brainswashing signal is just sitting out in the wide-open on top of an office building? No rent-a-cops standing on the roof? No backup devices? So lightly armored that a .38 shot destroys it? Not quite as savvy as they appeared to be...

It was a pretty tall office building, and they do have pretty firm control of the world.

.38? And I thought the holdout gun in his sleeve was an autopistol?
I thought the black guy had the revolver.

Why the biker guy was standing out front of the rebel hideout with a shotgun without the sunglasses is the crazy part..

The one line was what that rebel leader said--"Free enterprisers..." Yeah, right.

hayseed
December 13, 2005, 04:44 PM
He does indeed have the sunglasses by then, but I believe both cops were aliens. IIRC, he knocks down both alien-cops, disarms the first alien-cop and shoots him while he's on the ground, then when the second starts to get back up, shoots him too.

IIRC, one cop is alien, and one is human. Of course, the human doesnt know his partner is alien because he doesnt have the special glasses.

Piper has the dicerning glasses, so he shoots the alien cop. He recognizes the partner as human, so he tells him "beat your feet" and the human cop runs off like a striped a** ape.

Justin
December 13, 2005, 05:02 PM
Justin, John Carpenter is still the king.

I so want to agree. But the stuff he's put out in the last few years just hasn't been as good as the older stuff. And yeah, The Thing is fantastic, even by today's standards.

Correia
December 13, 2005, 05:14 PM
Can't argue there. Ghosts of Mars didn't exactly leave me awestruck. Though I did like Vampires, but that is because I'm a sucker for monster hunting. ;)

pauli
December 13, 2005, 05:23 PM
they live is one of the most memorable movies ever made, and contains both one of the best lines in movie history (i have come here, etc), and one of the best last lines.

MatthewVanitas
December 13, 2005, 05:23 PM
VirgilCaine: you're right on the hideout semi (Baby Browning?), right on the biker guard, and right on the "Free Enterprisers". I still say that putting the transponder on top of a downtown office building was an awfully weak link in a multi-dimensional conspiracy.

@hayseed: I'm 95% sure that both cops were aliens in the first Nada vs. Cops scene. I'm 100% sure that the "beat feet" scene came afterwards, after the bank shootout, where he ordered the human cop to drop the revolver. Don't make me watch that scene again; I'll cite the running time if I have to.

-MV

Mot45acp
December 13, 2005, 05:37 PM
:eek: I need my foil hat to prevent the mind control

Atticus
December 13, 2005, 05:38 PM
And yeah, The Thing is fantastic, even by today's standards.


There are few things better than sitting around on a cold cold winter night and watching 'The Thing'. Carpenters movies are among my favorites. 'Big Trouble in Little China' is one of the most entertaining comedy/action movies ever made in my opinion.

VirgilCaine
December 13, 2005, 06:46 PM
VirgilCaine: you're right on the hideout semi (Baby Browning?), right on the biker guard, and right on the "Free Enterprisers". I still say that putting the transponder on top of a downtown office building was an awfully weak link in a multi-dimensional conspiracy.

In the aliens defense, I have to say that they had control of the police AND a big helicopter with a machine gun on it. It seems pretty secure to me...they DID kill the guy in the end.

This is the only stupid part of the movie, really.

I mean, it's not like it's Jeepers Creepers. No food, no water, no weapons, no extra gas, no extra clothing, no extra cellphones or batteries, one flashlight. And then...let's go DOWN into the TUNNEL FILLED WITH BODIES!

MrMex
December 13, 2005, 08:26 PM
Wel, then you will be happy to know that the reator of "V" is getting another shot at it. Supposedly the TV studio wants to "re-make" the original (chronologically updated probably) then move on with new stuff.


Ok, now what is exactly is this, a movie or TV show named "five" or "V?" I googled it but can't come up with anything and now you guys got me interested.

lysander
December 13, 2005, 09:06 PM
They Live and The Thing are both FANTASTIC movies...grade B or not. They are better than modern horror/sci-fi flicks with budgets 20 times as big. The Thing wipes it's hind end with crap like AVP...:D, and They Live is brilliant social commentary on par with Romero's best.

"V" was pretty sweet as well! When I was a kid I wanted to grow up to be Ham Tyler...mercenary, arms dealer, armor piercing bullet maker...and alien killer....with a heart of gold...despite his rough "me first...I don't believe in causes" exterior. :p

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/6002991e5d.jpg (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)

lysander
December 13, 2005, 09:09 PM
Oh...and Mr. Mex your answer is:

"V" was an early 80's miniseries that just thrived on Cold War paranoia...think aliens + doomsday + nazi allegory = fun.

"V" The Miniseries (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00005B8UD/103-1262507-8175858?v=glance&n=130)

MrMex
December 13, 2005, 10:48 PM
Looks prety cool, ill have to add it to the christmas list. Thanks

VirgilCaine
December 13, 2005, 11:00 PM
"V" was pretty sweet as well! When I was a kid I wanted to grow up to be Ham Tyler...mercenary, arms dealer, armor piercing bullet maker...and alien killer....with a heart of gold...despite his rough "me first...I don't believe in causes" exterior. :p

Sounds like Malcolm Reynolds.

If you're willing to forgive some goofs, watch Assault on Precinct 13. The 1970's version. Great movie. The movie is great. The way the assault is set up and who makes it isn't very believable.

Trebor
December 14, 2005, 07:49 AM
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Is it just me, or doesn't that look a lot like John Kerry?

MatthewVanitas
December 14, 2005, 11:52 AM
Minor Assault on Precinct 13 spoilers







If you're willing to forgive some goofs, watch Assault on Precinct 13. The 1970's version. Great movie. The movie is great. The way the assault is set up and who makes it isn't very believable.

Saw it, thought it was pretty good, and recc. It was interesting to see a gang whose weapons of choice were the M16A1 and Broomhandle Mausers. I can see the rifle, but a Broomhandle?

But the tactics were painful.

The whole film, I was thinking "go up the dang stairs". They're taking heavy fire through all doors/windows in the ground floor lobby, and there's one single twisting stairway leading to the next level. Would have been a great way to channelize the enemy. Then the twits finally brought up the issue: "we can't go upstairs, there's windows all over up there." Given that there are windows all over the ground floor as well, which gang members are continually shooting through or crawling through, I fail to see the argument. At least the enemy would have a much worse angle firing at upstairs windows. Anything would have been a better idea than going into the basement!

But still a fun film.

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