Most powerful semi automatic handgun?


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The Viking
December 13, 2005, 06:48 PM
What guns qualify for that title?

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hkmp5g17
December 13, 2005, 06:53 PM
Semi auto .308 pistols based on the hk91?

The Viking
December 13, 2005, 06:57 PM
Semi auto .308 pistols based on the hk91?
I was thinking more in the lines of traditional (eg not based on a rifle).
Good choice though. Didn't think of those types of handguns.

P. Plainsman
December 13, 2005, 08:26 PM
.50 AE and .44 Mag Desert Eagles are an obvious choice.

Wildeys - or whatever it is you shoot .45 Win Mag. in.

The .44 AutoMag.

If we drop down to include guns that are relatively common and useful, then the various pistols chambered in 10mm.

MCgunner
December 13, 2005, 08:29 PM
The Coonan is chambered in .357 mag. But, I believe they're out of production. The ten is basically a .357 with a slightly bigger diameter bullet, though.

RyanM
December 13, 2005, 08:41 PM
Would a Mateba autorevolver in .454 casull count as a semi-auto?

grendelbane
December 13, 2005, 11:29 PM
My LAR Grizzly Mk1 is chambered for the .45 Winmag. It has the short 5.5" barrel. It will fire a 230 grain JHP bullet over 1300 FPS with a modest charge of 2400. It will do much better with a full load of 296, but I like to keep things on the mild side.

I know that Desert Eagles in .50AE and .44 magnum will beat this, as will the .44 Automag. However, the Grizzly is the best compromise between power, size, and practicality I have ever experienced.

It is a shame that it is no longer in production. Maybe someday?;)

Too Many Choices!?
December 13, 2005, 11:54 PM
Would a Mateba autorevolver in .454 casull count as a semi-auto?

If every time you pull the trigger it goes bang until out of ammo, then that is a semi auto firearm..Even if it has manual ,"cocking of the hammer", as a function of trigger pull;) .

RyanM
December 14, 2005, 12:15 AM
That's the thing with the Mateba. It's a recoil-operated, self-cocking revolver. The recoil cocks the hammer and rotates the cylinder.

GregGry
December 14, 2005, 12:54 AM
I am surprized nobody mentioned the dead (Atleast I think its dead) .440 corbon barreled Desert Eagle :D. If I recall, it had more power then the .50ae, smaller bullet of course.

Black Majik
December 14, 2005, 01:35 AM
How powerful is the .50 GI?

There was a company that converted 1911s to accept that cartridge. How does it compare to the .50 AE?

GregGry
December 14, 2005, 02:01 AM
No Magnum Here

The .50 GI is not in the Magnum class and works at the same pressures as the .45 ACP. The cartridge uses the same rim size as the .45 ACP and a .45 shell holder can be used for reloading. This new brass is made by Starline and is ever so slightly shorter than a standard .45 ACP It is very strong brass, but should not be approached with a Magnum reloading attitude.

I found that online..

otomik
December 14, 2005, 06:51 AM
I was thinking more in the lines of traditional (eg not based on a rifle).
Good choice though. Didn't think of those types of handguns.That would disqualify the desert eagle, because it's a gas-operated pistol, pretty unconventional and inspired by gas operated rifles, you'll notice a similarity with the desert eagle and the m16 direct gas system (which incidentally makes the Desert Eagle a jammomatic). Most choices are going to be unconventional like the Gabbet-Fairfax Mars.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Automatic_Pistol

If you want to talk conventional state of the art pistols like those with a modified browning action there's 10mm.

Working Man
December 14, 2005, 07:38 AM
That would disqualify the desert eagle, because it's a gas-operated pistol, pretty unconventional and inspired by gas operated rifles, you'll notice a similarity with the desert eagle and the m16 direct gas system (which incidentally makes the Desert Eagle a jammomatic)...

"jammomatic"??? Maybe in the .44 (I have not heard of any one who has
not had a problem) but not the .50AE I have thrown 80 rnds down range
between cleanings with no jams.

The only jams that I have had was because my buddy's giant hands makes
the slide catch lock into place since he is left handed.

Mad Chemist
December 14, 2005, 07:57 AM
Semi auto .308 pistols based on the hk91?
Wow, didn't know these existed. Now that would be a fun one to shoot.:D

rfurtkamp
December 14, 2005, 08:38 AM
"jammomatic"??? Maybe in the .44 (I have not heard of any one who has
not had a problem)


If I feed it jacketed ammo, I'm good for up to five boxes between cleanings. The novelty's worn off by then or I can spend five minutes cleaning the rails and chamber.


Wow, didn't know these existed. Now that would be a fun one to shoot.


http://robert.furtkamp.com/guns/vector51-left.jpg

It's certainly the most powerful of any of the semi-autos I have at home, including my DE MK VII.

It's also less finicky about ammo, no gas system to deal with, and over twice the magazine capacity.

It's my current contender for biggest semi-auto on the block in pistol form. It's shootable as configured but requires decent forearm strength to steady in traditional one and two handed shooting stances.

Working Man
December 14, 2005, 09:34 AM
If I feed it jacketed ammo, I'm good for up to five boxes between cleanings. The novelty's worn off by then or I can spend five minutes cleaning the rails and chamber.

Did you have to do any magazine work or or polish the ramp on your .44?

LeonCarr
December 14, 2005, 10:01 AM
Wildey Pistol chambered for the .475 Wildey Magnum might claim the title. Uses cut down .284 Winchester rifle brass inside neck reamed to take .475 diameter bullets. 250 grain bullet at 1850 fps, 300 grain bullet at 1610 fps. Gas Operated, but still fairly conventional.

Like the one Charles Bronson used in Death Wish 3 :).

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

captainkirk
December 14, 2005, 10:12 AM
Working Man: I know you didn't ask me, but I owned a DE 44 mag years ago and it shot very well for me with no work on the ramp or mags. I shot primarily 240 grain nosler jhp and some 300 grain sierra jsp bullets in it with AA#9 powder. (Those Sierras just barely fit) I did buy it used so I can't vouch for what might have been done to it before I got it. Mine was the pre-.50 model (MkIV?) that had a stainless frame and blued slide. Nice gun, just not my style after a while. I traded it for something else that caught my eye and didn't give me a starboard list to pack around...

captainkirk

BigG
December 14, 2005, 10:44 AM
This is the LAR, which is an upsized 45 Automatic type chambered for the 44 Magnum revolver cartridge. I think it is a good compromise between availability and power. In other words, ammo is readily available and cheaper than the more exotic rounds and it kicks hard enough to get your attention. :uhoh: :neener:

http://thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=6993&d=1067192876

The Viking
December 14, 2005, 12:18 PM
That would disqualify the desert eagle, because it's a gas-operated pistol, pretty unconventional and inspired by gas operated rifles, you'll notice a similarity with the desert eagle and the m16 direct gas system (which incidentally makes the Desert Eagle a jammomatic). Most choices are going to be unconventional like the Gabbet-Fairfax Mars.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Automatic_Pistol

If you want to talk conventional state of the art pistols like those with a modified browning action there's 10mm.
Sorry, what I meant was handguns that isn't basically a cut down rifle...traditional looking then.

Working Man
December 14, 2005, 12:26 PM
Working Man: I know you didn't ask me, but I owned a DE 44 mag years ago and it shot very well for me with no work on the ramp or mags. I shot primarily 240 grain nosler jhp and some 300 grain sierra jsp bullets in it with AA#9 powder. (Those Sierras just barely fit) I did buy it used so I can't vouch for what might have been done to it before I got it. Mine was the pre-.50 model (MkIV?) that had a stainless frame and blued slide. Nice gun, just not my style after a while. I traded it for something else that caught my eye and didn't give me a starboard list to pack around...

captainkirk

Thanks for the input. I saw a nice one in stainless a while back and was
thinking of getting it till I read a bunch of bad reviews. I ended up getting
the .50AE in the MKVII IIRC. It sure does give you a list... I had an under arm
holster made for it with the wide shoulder pads and vertical draw with a low
axis, but there is no way I can conceal it without a giant puffy coat. :D

agtman
December 14, 2005, 02:52 PM
Although people like to point to the pants-drooping behemoth autos - like the Wildeys, Desert Eagles and even the old AutoMags - those guns aren't your typical or "traditional" semi-auto pistols intended for every day carry, concealed or otherwise.

In autoloaders chambered for the common "service" calibers, there is a "reasonable" size and weight consideration to be factored-in.

Single-action pistols like a 5" full-size 1911, or a DA/SA auto like S&W's large-framed 5" 10mm 1006 or .45acp 4506, more or less define the outer limits of the reasonable size and weight factor.

Much bigger than that and you're into boat-anchor territory. :scrutiny:

That said, the answer is pretty clear: it's an autoloader chambered for the 10mm AUTO - and not the .40-level stuff, but the high-performance loads on the other end of the power range: those running at or beyond the original Norma-levels.

For starters, see the 10mm loads from Texas Ammo, Double Tap Ammo, Power Strike Ammo, Buffalo Bore and Reed Ammo.

The Viking
December 14, 2005, 02:56 PM
Although people like to point to the pants-drooping behemoth autos - like the Wildeys, Desert Eagles and even the old AutoMags - those guns aren't your typical or "traditional" semi-auto pistols intended for every day carry, concealed or otherwise.
Thats fine by me, I wanted to know what the most powerful semi auto handgun was, irregardless of size. But the other info was nice too...now I'm longing for a 10mm...

MCgunner
December 14, 2005, 04:38 PM
Well, I've read a number of threads on this board in the last couple of weeks and seems like the concensus is that the .45 acp is the biggest and baddest auto pistol round on the planet regardless of facts and that no other caliber deserves recognition. Enough said????:D

Myself
December 14, 2005, 05:52 PM
Given the origional question I would have to also say .475 Wildey.

otomik
December 14, 2005, 06:09 PM
If the desert eagle is in, then the deagle in .440 Corbon maybe.

ETA: "jammomatic" isn't appropriate, I revise my statement. like the M16, it requires a good cleaning frequently, which shouldn't cause a big fuss since it's not a combat handgun.

rfurtkamp
December 20, 2005, 06:04 PM
Did you have to do any magazine work or or polish the ramp on your .44?

Nope. It was a NOS Israeli-made one.

I took mags out of the box and the gun shop drawer and proceeded to fire a few boxes.

Igloodude
December 20, 2005, 08:09 PM
How does a .45Super compare to a 10mm?

IndianaDean
December 20, 2005, 09:44 PM
P. Plainsman beat me to it. Those two DE's were the first two I thought of.

Peter M. Eick
December 20, 2005, 09:50 PM
http://pages.sbcglobal.net/eickpm/44amp.jpg

44 Automag rates up there in the 44 rimmed power level.

jerkface11
December 20, 2005, 09:54 PM
I'll say the mateba in .454 They even get bonus cool points.

VinnyT
December 20, 2005, 09:56 PM
YES, the Harry Sanford Pasadena Model 44 Automag!!!

charliemopic
December 20, 2005, 11:10 PM
This is the LAR, which is an upsized 45 Automatic type chambered for the 44 Magnum revolver cartridge. I think it is a good compromise between availability and power. In other words, ammo is readily available and cheaper than the more exotic rounds and it kicks hard enough to get your attention. :uhoh: :neener:

http://thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=6993&d=1067192876
wow. I like that. I want one of those!

f4t9r
December 20, 2005, 11:25 PM
.50 AE and .44 Mag Desert Eagles are an obvious choice.

Wildeys - or whatever it is you shoot .45 Win Mag. in.

The .44 AutoMag.

If we drop down to include guns that are relatively common and useful, then the various pistols chambered in 10mm.

+1

.50DE
December 21, 2005, 03:00 AM
semi auto's I own:D
475 Wildey's
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/455HO/475wildey.jpg
.357, 44 mag desert eagles
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/455HO/4450de.jpg
50ae desert eagle, 45 win mag LAR
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/455HO/degrizz.jpg
and yes, I reload for all of them;)

Mizzle187
December 21, 2005, 12:01 PM
.460 Rowland has some ump!

jeff-10
December 21, 2005, 01:05 PM
Wow seeing all those pictures of Autmoags, Wildeys and LARs makes me nostalgic for the 80's :). I loved those pistols too bad none of them ever hit it big. I guess there really isn't much of a market for a powerful autoladers other than one that shoots revolver cartridges (Desert Eagle). The 10mm would probably be the most powerful readily available autoloader round and even that isn't really that popular and doesn't compare to the 45 Win Mag or 44 Automag. It has quite a few platforms available for it though.

45crittergitter
December 21, 2005, 02:53 PM
Ignoring the way the rules/definitions change through this thread, I'm gonna vote for the .50 BMG autopistol I once saw... :evil:

gunfan
December 21, 2005, 03:47 PM
Well, I've read a number of threads on this board in the last couple of weeks and seems like the concensus is that the .45 acp is the biggest and baddest auto pistol round on the planet regardless of facts and that no other caliber deserves recognition. Enough said????:D

Whatever you have been smoking, I want 3 bales in reserve! :rolleyes:

Scott

mega1quake
February 7, 2006, 09:16 AM
The 45 acp is king in auto rounds, and every thing is compared to the king no matter how much more power it has hehe...same goes for the 44 mag it willl always be king and the big boys compared to it :neener:
tim

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