Interesting article in the NY Daily News!!!!


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jeanfor
December 14, 2005, 01:46 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/374843p-318417c.html

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The Viking
December 14, 2005, 02:05 PM
Now my head is spinning. I though that just about everybody in N.Y.C was pro-gun control. And this upstanding police officer says exactly what guns are here for - protecting yourself and your family. I wonder if he will recieve any s#1t for this...

Master Blaster
December 14, 2005, 02:05 PM
From the article

Since then, I have made it a priority to educate people on the anemic state of New York's seemingly "tough" stance on guns.

The illegal sale of a firearm, according to the New York State Penal Law, is a low-grade felony, categorized as a Class D felony. I spent countless hours in those first few days, amid wakes, funerals and personal mourning, composing letters to state lawmakers urging them to stiffen penalties for those convicted of trafficking illegal firearms.

I told them the guns peddled on the street bring so much pain and suffering all over our city and our country. These weapons are the ones most likely to be used in a drug-related shooting, the robbery of a grandmother or the murder of a police officer.

Guns peddled in the street are not going to end up in the hands of law-abiding citizens for the protection of one's family.

I sent this letter to every elected official in New York State whom I could find an address for.

Of the probably 75 to 100 letters I sent, I received four responses. Sadly, all four responses were of the "... thank you for your correspondence. ... I have always been a supporter of law enforcement." Blah, blah, blah.

Don't our elected officials owe us more than that?



This officer is surprised that the NY assembly does not want to actually punnish criminals who commit crimes.:uhoh:

Thefabulousfink
December 14, 2005, 02:23 PM
It sounds like some pork was added to the bill and now no one wants to touch it.

jobu07
December 14, 2005, 02:45 PM
The NRA and NYS Rifle and Pistol purportedly supports the bill as it is written by the Senate and pushed for by the Assembly minority.

secamp32
December 14, 2005, 03:02 PM
it didn't do enough to punish legal gun owners who falsely believe they have a right own guns in NYS. :banghead: :banghead:

SomeKid
December 14, 2005, 03:48 PM
The cop is a fool. He believes tougher penalties will deter criminals. We all know criminals don't think towards the punishment, it is all about the here and now, and since they don;t expect to be caught, fear of punishment is not a factor.

Dorian
December 14, 2005, 05:39 PM
This is the kind of thing that is absolutely unbelevable(sp) to me.

These politicians get it in their heads to push forward laws that NONE of their CONSTITUANTS want or NEED, but when the PEOPLE who elected them actually speak up and try to get the person to do somehting for a good change, they are ignored.

How does this happen? How is our government supposed to work? How can these ????bag politicians pass their own agenda and laws forward while IGNORING the people who elected them?

It should be criminal and illegal. It boggles my mind every time I read something like this.

Standing Wolf
December 14, 2005, 06:02 PM
Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver's spokesman said the speaker's office was at a loss to respond to Detective Adam Frasse's account of his fruitless letter-writing campaign.
The spokesman said the office keeps track of letters by name, but couldn't locate one from Frasse in 2004 and couldn't say what may have happened to letters received in bulk. He added that in 2004, the Assembly was pushing an anti-gun bill and would have had no reason to ignore such letters.

Must have been a clerical error.

The cop is a fool. He believes tougher penalties will deter criminals.

If he thinks it will deter them, yes, he's a fool; if, on the other hand, he thinks such a measure might keep them off the streets longer, he's possibly correct—although I can't imagine the so-called "criminal justice system" holding criminals accountable for their actions in New York.

Fly320s
December 14, 2005, 06:38 PM
jeanfor,

You said this is an interesting article. Interesting and funny? Interesting and sad? Interesting and the cop is right? I'm not sure what you mean, please elaborate.:confused:

All I read was how one cop blames guns for his friends' death and how he wants more laws to control guns.

But the state's laws regarding the possession, use and sale of illegal firearms fail miserably to deter gun violence.
What is an illegal firearm? Do they mean a prohibited person possessing a firearm? Do they mean a firearm that is sold in a face-to-face transaction?

Would officer Adam Frasse put forth the same iniative if his friends were killed with a knife? Or run over with a Buick?

MechAg94
December 14, 2005, 07:54 PM
The illegal sale of a firearm, according to the New York State Penal Law, is a low-grade felony, categorized as a Class D felony.

Isn't this a federal crime as well?

jeanfor
December 14, 2005, 10:11 PM
jeanfor,

You said this is an interesting article. Interesting and funny? Interesting and sad? Interesting and the cop is right? I'm not sure what you mean, please elaborate.:confused:

All I read was how one cop blames guns for his friends' death and how he wants more laws to control guns.


What is an illegal firearm? Do they mean a prohibited person possessing a firearm? Do they mean a firearm that is sold in a face-to-face transaction?

Would officer Adam Frasse put forth the same iniative if his friends were killed with a knife? Or run over with a Buick?


Interesting because it prooves the point of pro gun citizens.... Tough laws against gun ownership does not deter criminal from getting guns and both NY and NJ still have major issues with illegal guns....

By the way I wrote to the Editor the following email:

"From the New York Daily News:

"....New York State's laws concerning gun ownership are among the toughest in the union. But the state's laws regarding the possession, use and sale of illegal firearms fail miserably to deter gun violence."

"... Frasse launched a letter-writing campaign to get tougher laws passed against gun dealers"

Well, New York has the toughest gun laws in the nation (with NJ) and still gun related crimes are high much higher than in States where law abiding citizen can carry a gun for self defense. That should really tell you something. The idea that by having tough gun laws you decrease gun violence or crime does not work. Criminals don't care about gun laws and will find ways to get them whether you like it or not. So the solution is simple.... ask the New York representatives to go and see how other gun friendly states do it! They seem to be way more successful than the states that keep going with the tough gun law doctrine (NY, NJ)

As far as gun dealers are concerned, there are already tough federal laws implemented. Dealers have to have a federal license (FFL) and they can only sell to licensed citizens.(in NY)... Why just not apply the existing federal laws... Why always putting more burden on our citizens"

Fly320s
December 14, 2005, 10:39 PM
jeanfor,

Thanks for clearing-up your thoughts. I was trying to keep my thoughts independent of yours, or at least what you intended, but it wasm't working. Maybe I should eat more fish. :confused:

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