‘I have a gun in my pocket right now, how would the government know about it.


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jsalcedo
December 14, 2005, 03:55 PM
WINNIPEG — A Winnipeg teenager has been suspended from school after he was overheard saying he had a gun in his pocket.

But the teen, who doesn’t own a gun or know anyone who does, claims he was just trying to make a point about the futility of Prime Minister Paul Martin’s campaign promise to ban handguns.

Brendon Hardt, a 14-year-old student at John Pritchard school, said he made the comments while discussing current events with his class on Friday morning.

Last week on the federal election campaign trail, Martin pledged that a Liberal government would ban handgun ownership in Canada.

‘‘I said, ‘I have a gun in my pocket right now, how would the government know about it?’,’’ Brendon said. ‘‘I was trying to show how unsafe schools could be, and how anyone could just walk in with a gun, and no one would know.’’

He said he made the comments to a friend, but a teacher overheard him. Brendon was sent to the principal’s office, where he said he was questioned for the next several hours.

He said the principal then drove him home and told him he was suspended for much of the next week.

‘‘He was saying he thought that I was a threat,’’ Brendon said. ‘‘He said, even if he was 95 per cent sure (that I wasn’t), he still couldn’t take that chance.’’

John Carlyle, superintendent of the River East Transcona School Division, did not return calls for comment.

http://www.brandonsun.com/story.php?story_id=13260

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Medusa
December 14, 2005, 03:58 PM
What a bunch of idiots, it looks like a national panic.

Janitor
December 14, 2005, 03:59 PM
He said the principal then drove him home and told him he was suspended for much of the next week.
Yup. Idiotic.

But the boy probably would have been expelled in the US.
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CAS700850
December 14, 2005, 04:08 PM
You know, one of the things I miss least about working in juvenile court was the idiocy of some school beaurocrats. While I would hope this wouldn't happen in the U.S., I'm afraid it would.

dasmi
December 14, 2005, 04:10 PM
‘I said, ‘I have a gun in my pocket right now, how would the government know about it?’,’’ Brendon said. ‘‘I was trying to show how unsafe schools could be, and how anyone could just walk in with a gun, and no one would know.’’
That kid makes more sense than anyone running Canada.

NineseveN
December 14, 2005, 04:12 PM
Still a stupid thing to say in any event. He could have phrased it better. He would have been suspended here as well.

mbs357
December 14, 2005, 05:01 PM
He's smart...but then again he's not.
Saying "I have a gun" is never a good idea. :uhoh:

pax
December 14, 2005, 05:09 PM
I'd say he lost the debate because the teacher answered his question rather decisively: the government knew about it because there are a bunch of people willing to tell the government when someone says something like that.

pax

NineseveN
December 14, 2005, 05:14 PM
I'd say he lost the debate because the teacher answered his question rather decisively: the government knew about it because there are a bunch of people willing to tell the government when someone says something like that.

pax

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Seminole
December 14, 2005, 05:40 PM
Obviously the boy, being a ward of a government school, has not learned to use the subjunctive mood. Proper grammar would have kept him out of trouble.

Standing Wolf
December 14, 2005, 05:57 PM
‘‘I said, ‘I have a gun in my pocket right now, how would the government know about it?’,’’ Brendon said. ‘‘I was trying to show how unsafe schools could be, and how anyone could just walk in with a gun, and no one would know.’’

In point of fact, I'd say the lad has clearly demonstrated how unsafe government schools in Canada actually are. They're certainly no place for those who wish to speak the truth or question the perceived wisdom.

jsalcedo
December 14, 2005, 06:15 PM
Who knows that the kid actually said.

He could have said: "For example, if I have a gun in my pocket...."

They only hear and report "I have a gun in my pocket"

Thefabulousfink
December 14, 2005, 06:18 PM
Most likely, now he will go out and buy a gun to protect himself from an oppressive Gov.

The school actually thinks that actions like this protect students, it just creates distrust of authority.

Peet
December 14, 2005, 06:32 PM
I have a gun in my pocket right now,I must be gettin' old. The first thing that popped into my mind was "Apt natural, I have a gub."

/Pe (well - he was funny once upon a time) et

MechAg94
December 14, 2005, 06:38 PM
Still a stupid thing to say in any event. He could have phrased it better. He would have been suspended here as well.

Sure it is and he could have, but this is a kid we are talking about, not an adult. He is supposed to be in school "learning". Obviously, they are teaching him a healthy distrust of govt and bureaucrat stooges. I blame the teacher first for bing a rat fink idiot and the principle second for just being stupid.
:)

NineseveN
December 14, 2005, 08:08 PM
Sure it is and he could have, but this is a kid we are talking about, not an adult. He is supposed to be in school "learning". Obviously, they are teaching him a healthy distrust of govt and bureaucrat stooges. I blame the teacher first for bing a rat fink idiot and the principle second for just being stupid.
:)

I agree with you, but, there is something to be said about the line "even if I am 95% sure" they still have to remove the kid from school...because if they don't and the kid has a gun and shoots some teachers and kids, guess who's responsible? Not the parents (Johnny was a good kid, don't know where he found the guns), not the kid (poor misunderstood youth bombarded by violent rap music and video games), it would be the persons in charge of remving the child from school when he said "I have a gun" or something to that effect.

If he thinks he can get away with that, let him say that in an airport around air marshalls, or in a federal building, or on a military base he was visiting. Or in New Jersey (:evil:)

Some things are not appropriate to say in certain places. Hopefully he learned that.

However, his intended message was spot on, I just wish he had a better way of communicating it.

MAURICE
December 14, 2005, 08:20 PM
Suspending the boy did no good.
What would stop him if he decided to return to school with a gun and use it?
Student: "I'm baaaack."
Teacher: "You are suspended, you cant be here."
S: Pulls gun. "No I am nooot!"

My point is, if the boy is a threat- a real threat- he could just as easily come back and open fire. Suspension, expulsion, harsh words, nothing could stop it from happening.

Dead
December 14, 2005, 10:06 PM
If you think a gun in the pocket is bad check this site out...
http://www.tevixmd.com/


I have also heard that NYC monitor's purchases of certain medications to determine if there are any "spikes" in small demographics areas, if there is an alarm sounds! no joke. Of course this is all for the Public's Health. ;)

cslinger
December 14, 2005, 10:13 PM
Have to show the boy the futile nature of his disobedience to his masters. God forbid the boy think for himself and God forbid that thought be contrary to those of his betters.

Makes me sick. We live in strange times friends.

Chris

LAK
December 15, 2005, 04:13 AM
What jsalcedo said.

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Zedicus
December 15, 2005, 05:13 AM
Sounds like Canada is going the same way the UK has...

Sinsaba
December 15, 2005, 07:57 AM
If we're in an airport talking about the stupid efforts of gun control nuts and I say word for word what that student reported he said, what would happen? Absolute worse case, an air Marshal would misunderstand turn around and without a word shoot me dead. My wife would be rich as would whoever I was talking to (emotional trauma you know). Less than worse case? Said air marshal would order me to halt, display hands, I'd be detained, possibly charged, etc. I think it wouldn't be likely that I'd be charged after it was found out what was happening.

It is not against the law to have a conversation. It is not against the law to in conversation pose the hypothetical phrase "if I had a gun". If I run up to a counter and shout "I have a gun!" that is an entirely different story.

We all know this! The "oh... you are so irresponsable if you mention the word "gun" in an airport you deserve what you get!" mentality is only one step away from a police state. Yes I need to be responsible for what I say, where I say it, and how I say it; by the same token those around me need to be responsible for the actions they take when they listen. They have to think "what was the context?". Yes, in a secuity issue, if there is doubt they have to make sure (I could live with stop and check under the circumstances), but how they react after that should depend on what they find.

Onmilo
December 15, 2005, 09:51 AM
I would like to know how it is determined that the act of just carrying a loaded firearm automatically makes a person a threat.
And to what or whom has that person then become a threat?

I routinely carry a pocket knife.
Does that automatically make me a threat to all unopened boxes and envelopes???

AF_INT1N0
December 15, 2005, 10:05 AM
Onmilo--

:what: A Knife in your pocket?!? :what: Yes!! it does... :mad: AND YOU ARE HEREBY BANNED FROM BOXES ETC.

So sayth the grand puba of all that is cute and cuddly.. So let it be written. So let it be done!:neener:

Hawkmoon
December 15, 2005, 10:42 AM
Think of all the uncertainty that could be avoided (if not outright prevented) if we would simply require that each student carry a handgun to school.

In order to preempt "gamesmanship," it would have to be handled like school uniforms. Each school would have an approved handgun. For grammar schools, think a .22 Ruger Bearcat would be appropriate. For middle schools/junior highs, some variant of .380 auto (with ONE extra magazine) might be about right. For high school, some kind of 9mm semi-auto.

Then everyone would be equal, and nobody would have to wonder.

Betcha we wouldn't see any more Columbines.

Werewolf
December 15, 2005, 12:27 PM
Betcha we wouldn't see any more Columbines.:D And there'd be a whole lot less picking on of the NERDS! :neener:

AF_INT1N0
December 15, 2005, 06:53 PM
And you could have the school crest on the magazine base plates

Zundfolge
December 15, 2005, 07:01 PM
Just goes to show what happens when you point out that the Emperor has no clothes.

kevin7
December 16, 2005, 09:19 PM
Think of all the uncertainty that could be avoided (if not outright prevented) if we would simply require that each student carry a handgun to school.


A few problems with that plan.
One, all the kids will have to learn gun safety, and two, all the kids have to be mature enough not to shoot each other over a missing pencil.

natedog
December 17, 2005, 03:20 AM
Its good things like that only happen in Canada...oh wait...never mind

Nematocyst
December 17, 2005, 03:34 AM
I'd say he lost the debate because the teacher answered his question rather decisively: the government knew about it because there are a bunch of people willing to tell the government when someone says something like that. Then again, what if the government doesn't need others to tell it when someone does something like that because
the gov is listening (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/16/AR2005121601825.html) {read 'spying'} itself?

Nem

Freedomv
December 17, 2005, 08:53 AM
I believe everyone is jumping to conclusion that the young man/boy was against the government position on gun control. If you read his statement-


‘‘I said, ‘I have a gun in my pocket right now, how would the government know about it?’,’’ Brendon said. ‘‘I was trying to show how unsafe schools could be, and how anyone could just walk in with a gun, and no one would know.’’

You will realize that that statement could have been used as an arguement for gun control as in the policy of no guns at all.

Vern

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