FP-10 Lubricant Elite = Kicks ***!


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Revolver Armorer
April 5, 2003, 10:00 PM
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FP-10 Lubricant Elite. This is the only firearms lubricant I use. A very good cleaner and even a better lubricant. Very pleasant smell and recently re-formulated for even better performance. Works by altering the metals charge which results in totally killing friction. More specifically, bottle states: "causes an electro chemical reaction to take place upon the metal surfaces developing a cation exchange of positive and negative ions, thus reducing frictional heat and wear". This stuff murders friction and is very slick. Amazingly, gets very far into the metal and gives the metal a great friction free surface. If you have not guessed, the grey bottle is the Manufacturers bottling ("MPC"). He sells the formula in bulk to Shooters Choice. They bottle FP-10 in their black container. Just the same, try this CLP. FP-10 protects against rust and sheild your guns. Was first conceived by George Fennell in 1989. The new formula is even better and meets Mil-Spec!
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stevelyn
April 6, 2003, 12:21 PM
How would you compare this to Break-Free?

Revolver Armorer
April 6, 2003, 02:48 PM
In the past, I have read Break-Free's literature and found out that the product was initially developed back in 1971. Overall, Break-Free CLP was a fine product and served me well. I always had a nagging feeling that Break Free CLP did not coat the metal and is prone to evaporate in a short time (at least with CLP). I have used the solid film version Break-Free LP which lasted a bit longer. I was told that Break-Free was upgraded and reformulated. My only problem with Teflon based lubricants is that the oils are not always consistant film lubricants (Teflon needs some agitation to be effective and stay in suspension).
FP-10 works by altering the cations or electrical activity on the surface of the metal. I noticed that FP-10 really becomes bonded with the metal and parts become smoother with slick coat in a short time. FP10 has a very pleasant Cinnamon odor. FP-10 is very long lasting in the newest upgraded Mil-Spec formulation. FP-10 came on the scene in 1989. I like the fact that it cleans thru "Passivation" which is getting under the debris on the steels surface. I will say this, FP-10 eats up Lead and Powder like no other firearms CLP, hands down. It seems to clean a bit better then Break-Free and the rust prevention is documented on test results that I have seen. If FP-10 was not available. I would probably use Break Free LP. But I only stick with FP-10 and see no change in the foreseeable future for now. Many folks use the newer high falex load, "low co-efficient of drag" products on the market. Many of the other products have NO rust prevention. Only to find that these so called "super lubes" do not protect older blued firearms from the #1 threat - rust & corrosion. FP-10 is the best that I have used to date. It is marketed by www.fp10.com (Muscle Products) who manufacturers the product in the grey bottle. It is also sold by www.shooters-choice.com which is seen above in the black bottle. Try it, you'll like it. :cool:

pooch
April 6, 2003, 04:34 PM
R.A., Do you use this product for bore protection or bore conditioning after cleaning? Thanks

Ironbarr
April 6, 2003, 07:06 PM
Also - when migrating from long usage of BreakFree-CLP to FP-10, is there a special preparation or cleaning effort required???

-Andy

Revolver Armorer
April 6, 2003, 08:01 PM
Pouch,
I have used FP-10 to condition the bore on an older Springfield .45. My only grip is that I generally don't believe in firing a firearm with any oil laden lubricant coating the bore. While debris and jacket fouling attachment was generally low with a microscopic coat of FP-10. My bore cleaning choice is Shooters Choice Bore Cleaner (Shooters Choice also makes a fine Lead Remover Bore Solvent). The Lead Remover has "MT10" which is the active ingrediant in the FP-10 formula. For long term storage, why not coat the bore with FP-10? However, I just swab the bore out with Shooters Choice Bore Solvent and patch until dry before firing. The swabing will remove any heavy coating of the FP-10 Lubricant. Remember, a firearm generates high pressure during the ignition of the round. Actually, after using any type of cleaner in the bore, it would be wise to dry out the film with as many dry patches as possible. If available, a cotton bore mop is excellant to absorb as much excess bore cleaner or FP-10 as possible. However to answer your question. Yes, I would coat the bore for long term protection with FP-10. Only prior to firing, I would probably run a patch with Shooters Choice with MC-7 and then dry out the rifling with a cotton bore mop. FP-10 is a metal treatment, so it is ideal for mechanical surfaces under heavy forces of firing.

Revolver Armorer
April 6, 2003, 08:12 PM
Ironbarr,
Ironically Break-Free produces a product which is called "Bore Cleaner". Break-Free Bore Cleaner is a very mild cleaner/degreaser. It is proven not to etch the metal surfaces and is intended to protect the bore from etching. This is the solvent that is added to CLP (actually, dilutes Break-Free LP) to make Break-Free CLP. Intended to be a mild as possible Bore Solvent. I have found this ideal to degrease and clean metal surfaces. It leaves the metal residue free and very clean. While I wouldn't rank the Break-Free Bore Cleaner as high as Shooters Choice Bore Cleaner with MC-7. Let me say this, for light duty cleaning of a slide and degreasing jobs, the Break-Free Bore cleaner works great and will not damage metal like solvents with 1,1,1 or other degreasers. You can wipe down the slide and metal components with the Break Free Bore Solvent and then air dry. Then apply the FP-10 to all surfaces. FYI, Glock Inc. does not recommend any Bore Solvents with ammonia. Ammonia is an acid and can damage the bore. Break-Free Bore Cleaner has no acid, nor does Shooters Choice Bore Cleaner or Shooters Choice Lead Remover. One last thing, nothing eats up lead better then FP-10. :cool:

romulus
April 6, 2003, 10:43 PM
As much as I like FP-10, which I use for lubing my firearms, let's be fair to Break Free: their CLP is a standalone formula, not merely their LP with added solvent, at least according to the maker. And ammonia is a base, or an alkali, not an acid. Still dangerous to leave in a bore in high concentrations...

Ironbarr
April 6, 2003, 11:21 PM
And - thanks. Sounds good.

Sven
April 6, 2003, 11:43 PM
That reminded me I needed to clean my Valtro - FP-10 made quick work of it. I use a little grease on the rails and lug, but otherwise stick to FP-10 all the way.

Helps that I have a HUGE bottle of it! ANd small bottles... and medium-sized bottles...

-s

stevelyn
April 7, 2003, 08:57 AM
I have recently discovered MPro7 gun cleaner and figured it's claims were advertising hype. It's not hype. MPro7 is and does everything the company claims. MPro7 works by working it's way into the pores of the metal and floating the crud to the top to include metal fouling. I've cleaned about 4 pretty nasty guns with this stuff and am duly impressed.
Now my search is for a lubricant/protectant which is of as high a quality as MPro7 and compliments MPro7 since it strips everything off the gun and needs to be recoated with a quality protective film and lubrication. I'm currently considering Break-Free LP and those of you on this thread, have gotten me to consider FP-10. I live in a nasty marine environment and need the best I can get. I also use where applicable, Brownell's Action Lube Plus moly based grease
Any comments?

tl
April 7, 2003, 01:49 PM
Stevelyn-
I recently cleaned my HK USPc 45 with M-Pro7, and was very pleased with the results, as a first impression (first time used); and followed up by using M-Pro7 Ultimate Gun Lubricant. I have a SIG 226 to clean this week, so hopefully will see the same results.

I purchased the lubricant when I bought the M-Pro7 clearner thinking that if any oil would be compatible with the gun cleaner, this certainly should be. I don't shoot/ clean often enough to evaluate this combination as being better or worse than FP-10 or others, but my sense is that thoroughness and care in cleaning will give successful results with most any reputable brand. I'm trying M-Pro7 based on favorable comments on this and other forums, and along with the excellent clean/ lubrication properties the minimal odor is a plus.

Pheonix
April 7, 2003, 02:17 PM
Where can I find this M_Pro 7?
I use Militec-1 and have no problems, it does not have any cleaner.

tl
April 7, 2003, 02:28 PM
I ordered direct, online at www.mp7.com.

Revolver Armorer
April 7, 2003, 03:55 PM
I like the way FP10 cleans and it sure does an exceptional job of rust prevention. Just the same, this stuff is the best. :)

Revolver Armorer
April 7, 2003, 04:00 PM
Just one thing, Break-Free LP is not suitable for low temperatures. FP-10 does just fine in low temperatures. :)

cratz2
April 14, 2003, 05:48 PM
I can't say enough about FP10. I only shoot plated/coated bullets in my pistols now days (not counting rimfire) and all I use is FP10, a borsnake and two cloths, one pretty much saturated in FP10 and one clean.

Guns looks great, are reliable, no rust, no pitting, no excessive lint/dust attraction. What else do you want? May not be the very best bore cleaner but seems to be working just fine for me.

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