[for_hire]

I have been studying knife fighting off and on for awhile. I want some good training DVDs that are legit and not to put it bluntly crap.

I have looked at a few from fist inc, Apache Knife Fighting, and Cold Steel. I was wondering if anyone knows anything about these or if anyone could point me in the right dIrection.

I know videos can never take the place of one on one training but I would like some anyway.

Thanks,

[hso]

fore_hire, where are you in TN? Vids are better than nothing, but H2H is essential for skill development.

[for_hire]

I was wondering if there is anything by James Keating, Don Pentecost, or Michael Janich that you guyswould suggest.

I usually carry a spyderco police and a EK boot knife so anything that would relate to these particular knives would be of great intrest.

Thanks,

[bratch]

Janich is GOOD stuff they go in order like his classes I would suggest ordering the first video learning it then ordering the secind video then the third.

Kelly McCann(sp?) has a empty hand and a knife video that are both good.

[cz75bdneos22]

try w.hock hocheim-command and mastery of the knife:uhoh: ...assault, slashing, hacking and strikes drills...some survival tactics and strategies...it's pretty good,for an hour long video:rolleyes: ... but nothing beats H2H sparring with "dummy" training knives or even big "sharpies" permanent-markers in red ink, while dressed in white uniform....you'll freak at how dangerous even 2-3 inch blades can be.:what:

[MacPelto]

Get "Reverse Edge Methods" from Shivworks, then when they're in your area, take the class...any class.

*Warning - you will be thrashed at the end of the class.


Mac

[KenpoTex]

Get "Reverse Edge Methods" from Shivworks, then when they're in your area, take the class...any class.

*Warning - you will be thrashed at the end of the class.


Mac
Another vote for this one. "Reverse Edge Methods" is an excellent investment.

In addition to Keating and Janich, you might also check out some of Kelly Worden's stuff, he knows a thing or two about using a knife :D...seriously though, he's got some good stuff. I picked up a couple of his DVD's when I went to one of his seminars earlier this year and have been very pleased with them.

[DigMe]

Don't know anything about it but I got something about this in my email from Gabe Suarez's group:

http://www.suarezinternational.com/dvdorder.html

brad cook

[for_hire]

I have looked at the stuff from shivworks and so far it seems like this could be something I want. I'm going to purchase the Fighting Folders dvd By Micheal Janich. I was told by another guy that Don Pentecost book -"Put 'Em Down, Take 'Em Out! : Knife Fighting Techniques From Folsom Prison". He said that this was a practical no nonsense book. I dont really want the ****, Arni, Escrima style i want more the practical applications. So, shivworks, fighting folders, and put em up seem like the right things for me now. Please continue to give me ideas. I'm always wanting to grow as a fighter.

[JShirley]

I guess it depends on what you're looking for.

I respectfully submit that learning knife killing may be useful if a knife is all you have, but that learning knife fighting- as in blade vs. blade combat- is foolish, expensive, and can get you killed.

I have heard the head of one of the companies you mention speak- with evident seriousness- of the practicality of carrying a large throwing knife around. That alone shows a tenuous grip on reality, and would make training from that company suspect.

AGAINST a blade, you, the righteous citizen or LEO, want distance. Going blade vs. blade is a good way to die.You can find some practical instruction on how to respond to edged threats.

The only practical place for almost anyone to use a blade defensively, is at very close range, with almost no other good options.

Just something to consider.

John

[MacPelto]

AGAINST a blade, you, the righteous citizen or LEO, want distance. Going blade vs. blade is a good way to die.You can find some practical instruction on how to respond to edged threats.

The only practical place for almost anyone to use a blade defensively, is at very close range, with almost no other good options.

Just something to consider.

John


Much of the reverse edge methods tape/class is about this. Although it is not so much about 'killing' as about 'getting that dude off you as fast as you can' when you're up close and personal. Shivworks' ECQC classes are intense.

Mac

[KenpoTex]

For those interested...Reverse Edge Methods Vol. II is now available from ShivWorks. (so if you haven't seen Vol. I, you now have an excuse to buy both :D) For more info on the dvd's and the reverse edge method go to www.shivworks.com

to order go to http://www.mdtactical.com/shivworks.htm

note: I have no connection with the company, so I'm not advertising per se, I'm just a very satisfied customer.

[cz75bdneos22]

Much of the reverse edge methods tape/class is about this. Although it is not so much about 'killing' as about 'getting that dude off you as fast as you can' when you're up close and personal. Shivworks' ECQC classes are intense.

Mac


as Clint Smith of Thunder Ranch fame is fond of saying, "You do not learn tactics to apply them. You learn tactics in case you have to apply them...":eek:

[Karate]

Avoiding all of the fightings arts from the Philippines would be like avoiding all of John M. Brownings designs on firearms...:neener:

[for_hire]

I wont get any ****, arnis, or escrima dvds because i have a good friend and mentor that has loads of books on those particular styles. I did take the same guys advise on consentrating on a particular thing at the moment as well and once again his wisdom comes through....:) :neener:

[tellner]

I was told by another guy that Don Pentecost book -"Put 'Em Down, Take 'Em Out! : Knife Fighting Techniques From Folsom Prison". He said that this was a practical no nonsense book. I dont really want the ****, Arni, Escrima style i want more the practical applications. So, shivworks, fighting folders, and put em up seem like the right things for me now. Please continue to give me ideas. I'm always wanting to grow as a fighter.

I have to ask what you are looking for. You want a knife which can't be identified and want a quick fix for learning how to kill someone with a blade. Combined with your screen name it makes me a little unsettled without some further information.

I will say this. Technique is technique is technique. Everyone has a whole barrel of it, probably more than you will need. Most of it will work at least once if you train hard. Having any sort of decent planned, practiced response is better than having nothing.

The problem is that there's no real substitute for practice and feedback. Some people can learn from videos, but only if they're already good or have a good group to practice the stuff with. Otherwise it's like what they say about fishing lures; they're designed to catch fishermen, not fish.

[tellner]

I guess it depends on what you're looking for.

I respectfully submit that learning knife killing may be useful if a knife is all you have, but that learning knife fighting- as in blade vs. blade combat- is foolish, expensive, and can get you killed.

[...]

AGAINST a blade, you, the righteous citizen or LEO, want distance. Going blade vs. blade is a good way to die.You can find some practical instruction on how to respond to edged threats.

The only practical place for almost anyone to use a blade defensively, is at very close range, with almost no other good options.

Just something to consider.

John

John I agree with you mostly, but....

I haven't had a terribly exciting life. The couple of times I've had to deal with someone who had a knife it wasn't a knife fight. I wish to Cthulhu that it had been a knife fight because then I would have had a knife, too! Life would have sucked a whole lot less :rolleyes:

Against a blade you might not be able to get distance. Someoen who is threatening you may very well show the knife. There's a good chance that someone who wants to jack you with a knife will just pull it out and stick you at close quarters. Also if you concentrate on getting away you have to be able that you can and that he can't get close to you again. That may be easier said than done and may well require you to resolve a messy, intimate situation before you can get the range you need.

[Snake Blocker]

I teach an Apache Knife Fighting & Battle Tactics course as an added part of the Military Close Quarter Combat program. I've taught Special Forces, Coalition Forces, and over 200 troops in Iraq & Kuwait. I spent 8 months in Kuwait with the US Navy teaching 7 days a week and I've been in Iraq with the US Army, for my second tour for 10 months now. I'll be back in the states in March. I teach mostly private sessions on the Apache fighting, but I teach an Annual Apache Knife Fighting & Battle Tactics seminar to the public.
My next seminar in the states is 11-12 March 2006. It will be in Apple Valley/Hisperia, California this year. Cost is $500 per person and $20 for the Training manual.
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[JShirley]

may well require you to resolve a messy, intimate situation before you can get the range you need

Mr. Ellner,

I don't at all disagree with you. Basically, if you're close in (the "bubble"- engagement range) with a knife, you have to stay in, while if you're outside, you want to keep that range.

If one has the chance, I personally believe using anything possible to engage the knife wielder while staying outside of their engagement range is the way to go.

John

[tellner]

JShirely, I fear that we are in vehement agreement here :)

[Don Gwinn]

A duel may be necessary. . . . knives at 50 paces?