Police chief should take care of his own guns before regulating everyone elses.


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jsalcedo
December 15, 2005, 10:10 PM
SAF SAYS SEATTLE POLICE CHIEF SHOULD TAKE CARE OF OWN GUNS BEFORE REGULATING
SOMEONE ELSE'S

For Immediate Release: 12/15/2005

BELLEVUE, WA - Following almost a year of silence on the gun control issue,
Seattle Police Chief Gil Kerlikowske recently came back into the spotlight,
supporting yet another piece of gun legislation, while authorities still
haven't found the chief's semiautomatic pistol, stolen from his car in 2004.

During a press conference in Seattle earlier this week, Kerlikowske
observed, "It's important to me to do whatever I can to keep illegal guns
out of our communities."

That remark brought a quick response from Alan Gottlieb, founder of the
Second Amendment Foundation, based in Bellevue.

"If the chief really wants to make a contribution to the effort to keep guns
out of the wrong hands, he shouldn't leave pistols lying around in his
city-owned car while he and his wife are shopping," Gottlieb observed.
"Somewhere out there is a 9mm Glock pistol that belongs in Kerlikowske's
holster or safely stored in his home or office. Wherever it is, you can bet
it doesn't belong there.

"Chief Kerlikowske is pretty quick to support gun laws that ratchet down on
the rights of law-abiding citizens who are more responsible with their guns
than he was with his," Gottlieb stated. "His stolen gun is more of a threat
to the public, and possibly his own officers, than the overwhelming majority
of handguns, rifles and shotguns owned by Washington citizens from Newport
to Neah Bay."

"Anti-gun police administrators haven't had much luck with their own
hardware," Gottlieb noted. "Former Detroit Chief Jerry Oliver was detained
at an airport for having a loaded gun in his carry-on bag in 2003. Remember
when former Madison, Wisconsin Chief Richard Williams stashed his gun in the
oven, and then turned the oven on? And let's not forget a couple of other
thefts of police guns from cars here in Washington State in the past year.

"Chief Kerlikowske is playing the 'Do as I Say, Not as I Do' game with the
rights of Evergreen State gun owners," Gottlieb said. "Before he pushes any
kind of controls on other peoples' guns, he better learn to take better care
of his own."

The Second Amendment Foundation (www.saf.org) is the nations oldest and
largest tax-exempt education, research, publishing and legal action group
focusing on the Constitutional right and heritage to privately own and
possess firearms. Founded in 1974, The Foundation has grown to more than
600,000 members and supporters and conducts many programs designed to better
inform the public about the consequences of gun control. SAF has previously
funded successful firearms-related suits against the cities of Los Angeles;
New Haven, CT; and San Francisco on behalf of American gun owners, a lawsuit
against the cities suing gun makers and an amicus brief and fund for the
Emerson case holding the Second Amendment as an individual right.

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Dionysusigma
December 15, 2005, 10:16 PM
Pfft. Like logic works anymore. :rolleyes:

Standing Wolf
December 15, 2005, 11:26 PM
If the chief really wants to make a contribution to the effort to keep guns out of the wrong hands, he shouldn't leave pistols lying around in his city-owned car while he and his wife are shopping

Well, yeah, sure, but only the police and military are qualified to have guns. They've been, like, trained, you know?

Old Dog
December 15, 2005, 11:43 PM
Ol' Chief Gil doesn't seem to have that much credibility up here, so it's questionable whether anyone really pays him much attention ... Several of our law enforcement agencies up here have gone through some high-profile problems in the last few years, too; other top cops are too stressed by their agencies' problems to speak out about this stuff. Few in the state seem anxious to jump onboard the anti-gun train these days, although the local rags have each come out with editorials decrying the "gun-show loophole" in the wake of the Tacoma Mall shootings. Even though the miscreant didn't buy his guns at gun shows and wasn't legally eligible to buy guns anyway, being a convicted felon and all ... Not to mention the fact that the state's biggest gun shows (sponsored by the Washington Arms Collectors) require one be a member to buy guns at the shows -- complete with NICS checks ...

Lupinus
December 15, 2005, 11:55 PM
Yep, us mere serfs aren't safety qualified to own firearms. Lord Kerlikowske is a model though of proper gun safety and just goes to show he and his shining knights are the only ones who should have hand guns. After all they are more then able to protect you every second of every day and are the only ones properly trained and following proper gun safety keeping all in the community safe, us mere serfs would just be a danger to ourselves and out neighbors in the hovel across the way.

M-Rex
December 16, 2005, 12:37 AM
Yep, us mere serfs aren't safety qualified to own firearms. Lord Kerlikowske is a model though of proper gun safety and just goes to show he and his shining knights are the only ones who should have hand guns. After all they are more then able to protect you every second of every day and are the only ones properly trained and following proper gun safety keeping all in the community safe, us mere serfs would just be a danger to ourselves and out neighbors in the hovel across the way.

Key words: "Anti-gun police administrators...

Lupinus
December 16, 2005, 12:40 AM
Key words-

Following almost a year of silence on the gun control issue,
Seattle Police Chief Gil Kerlikowske recently came back into the spotlight,
supporting yet another piece of gun legislation, while authorities still
haven't found the chief's semiautomatic pistol, stolen from his car in 2004.


The article is about his support and his hierocracy

Dain Bramage
December 16, 2005, 11:06 PM
I have mixed feelings about using Kerlikowski's stolen gun as political fodder. Having had my own gun stolen, I hate to take responsibilty away from the thief. What Kerlikowski did was not illegal, storing a gun loose, but out of sight, in a locked vehicle.

On the other hand, let's just say that the situation is RIFE with irony; the gungrabber big-city police chief having his own weapon stolen. Also, Kerlikowski's method was low on the good-sense continuum of vehicle storage, with trunk storage and/or locked box/safe being being much better.

I wish Kerlikowski would just STFU, but he has as much right as any other citizen to an opinion. Unfortunately, the Seattle media give him much more weight than the average Joe, and the P-I is already picking up on his "gunshow loophole" call.

Given this, I used the stolen gun slam in my letter to the P-I. We'll see if they run it in the next few days.

CAS700850
December 16, 2005, 11:35 PM
I don't know what it is about police cheifs, but teh now former chief of the Reynoldsburg (Ohio) Police Department twice left her gun in a public place and walked/drove away. the second got her a three day suspension from eth mayor after she left her loaded Smith 9mm in her holster/purse at teh public library...in the children's section. :eek:

c_yeager
December 16, 2005, 11:55 PM
The funniest part of the whole story with the stolen gun is that the chief left it in his unlocked car. This would be an actual CRIME in the state of Washington, if he had been a "regular civilian". It was also a violation of his departments policy, and yet he recieved no action whatsoever.

This guy *definatly* fancies himself as some kind of aristocracy. It might just be my imagination, but It seems like this attitude is seeping its way into the rank-and-file in Seattle. Has anyone else noticed a considerable decline in the quality of police service from the SPD?

Lupinus
December 17, 2005, 01:50 AM
I have mixed feelings about using Kerlikowski's stolen gun as political fodder. Having had my own gun stolen, I hate to take responsibilty away from the thief. What Kerlikowski did was not illegal, storing a gun loose, but out of sight, in a locked vehicle.
Yeah but you are trying to say that average people aren't responsible enough to own firearms like a lord over the serfs. This idiot is.

Old Dog
December 17, 2005, 11:08 AM
c_yeager, funny you should ask thisIt seems like this attitude is seeping its way into the rank-and-file in Seattle. Has anyone else noticed a considerable decline in the quality of police service from the SPD?I've never really been impressed with these folks since I got up this way; having seen them operate and interact with people downtown regularly, it seems as though I never see them going out of their way to be friendly or even acknowledge the people right next to them ... Heck, even in Detroit (a department always under intense scrutiny), the cops will normally give you a friendly nod and a "hi, how ya doin'?" at the very least. Never had to deal with them personally, but to me, the SPD officers I see around town just seem a bit ... aloof ...

Spot77
December 17, 2005, 11:17 AM
Another great article that's destined to be a favorite on gun related internet forums and nowhere else.

If I held my breath waiting for the AP or MSM to pick this up I'd look like: :uhoh:

c_yeager
December 17, 2005, 11:34 AM
Kerlikowski did was not illegal, storing a gun loose, but out of sight, in a locked vehicle.

His vehicle was unlocked. Leaving a firearm in an unlocked vehicle is illegal in the state of Washington.


If you dont want to use this incident to determine the nature of this police chief, how about this one, which appeared in today's Seattle Times:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002688647_copshoot17m.html

There is already a thread running on this one so I wont go into the whole article. I will just point out that the department's investigation concluded that the officer fired her weapon at a person for no good reason, lied to the investigators, and then proceeded to make up ridiculous lies about the whole thing. Our chief decided that a 15 day suspension was an appropriate punishemnt for an assualt with a deadly weapon chased by a healthy dose of obstruction by an off duty officer on a citizen.

This is the guy who doesnt think we should have guns, but thinks it's OK for his officers to behave in this manner.

Slinger
December 17, 2005, 12:25 PM
At least he can't shoot himself in his foot with it now...:evil:

Lupinus
December 17, 2005, 12:40 PM
No but someone else can shoot him with it somewhere so he wont be able to sit at his desk for very long.

deanf
December 17, 2005, 12:44 PM
I would like to know how he can get away with hosting these so-called press conferences on public property, on public time, with the support of public employees.

Old Dog
December 17, 2005, 12:47 PM
yeah, deanf, that guy is really starting to get on my nerves, too ...

Lupinus, please don't judge our area based solely on the quality of the law enforcement in Seattle ... great state, mostly reasonable gun laws, great people and truly spectacular natural beauty ... I won't comment further on the SPD or even the King County SO (another department with some big problems), but outside of King County, most of the law enforcement agencies up here are very professional with a lot of good officers and deputies ...

Lupinus
December 17, 2005, 12:52 PM
its a ncie area and will probably get there one day. Was ranting a bit :o

Dain Bramage
December 18, 2005, 03:19 AM
c_yeager: My recollection of the Kerlikowski gun incident was that he did not do anything technically illegal, that he just used poor judgement. Maybe it was just the CYA comments of the Seattle media, who certainly carry water for Gil. If I am incorrect, sorry.

I am aware of the RCWs requiring that a gun stored in a vehicle be out of sight, and the vehicle locked.

Either way, I most certainly do not support his views.

c_yeager
December 18, 2005, 10:50 AM
c_yeager: My recollection of the Kerlikowski gun incident was that he did not do anything technically illegal, that he just used poor judgement. Maybe it was just the CYA comments of the Seattle media, who certainly carry water for Gil. If I am incorrect, sorry.


You are correct. Gil did nothing that was illegal. What I said was:

"This would be an actual CRIME in the state of Washington, if he had been a "regular civilian"."

He is *not* a regular citizen. Being a police officer he is exempt from virtually all of Washingtons firearms laws.

LaVere
December 18, 2005, 11:30 AM
<ranton>I am getting tired of police officials. Usually the chiefs using their
bully pulpit to denounce guns in the hands of the people etc. They were
and are hired to run a police department. Get off the pulpit and run your
department.
Yes, you as an individual have freedom of speech. Take off you uniform
and badge and on your off time say what you want. And make it clear this
is only your personal opinion and not the police, government opinion.
When the law enforcers are the law advisors or makers. There is not
enough separation of powers and that bring trouble.</rantoff>
:mad:

Hardtarget
December 18, 2005, 07:20 PM
What I don't understand is why was the gun left in the car? He's Chief of Police...he can carry wherever he goes..."cept maybe court. So why leave it in the car?
Mark.

Lupinus
December 18, 2005, 08:26 PM
Of course Lord Kerlikowske and his brave Knights can carry where ever they want. Even places where we mere serfs must check our longbows at the door.

Dain Bramage
December 18, 2005, 11:30 PM
c-yeager: Ahh. I finally understand now. I guess I wasn't schizo enough to get the dual standard the first two or three times around. I take back my statement about hammering Gil on this issue.

Hardtarget: My meager understanding of the law says that Gil, as chief of police, would not have any trouble carrying in court. Guess it was just his bad day to get the gun stolen, leaving a nice political burr in his saddle for all eternity.

I hope no one gets hurt with his ineptness; I don't want political capital that bad.

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