CZ vs. Tikka


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Anti-Squirrel
December 15, 2005, 10:16 PM
What's better in your opinion, the CZ American in 223 or the Tikka Lite in 223? I am wanting a mid-price varmint rifle for squirrels (read username) and coyotes. Also I've heard that the 1-12 twist on the CZ won't stabilize anything over 50 grns. is this true?

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redranger1
December 15, 2005, 10:32 PM
i dont know bout the twist rate part of yer question, but since yer lookin at .223 there should be tons of info on that if ya do an internet search. as far as the rifle, id go fer the cz! they are just well built guns!

osteodoc08
December 15, 2005, 11:17 PM
Why not a nice 17HMR. How far are you shooting these rascals anyways?

Cueball
December 16, 2005, 10:34 AM
223 is a bit of overkill for squirrel, but certainly right on for coyote. I would suggest that you also consider the Savage line of rifles. I have a Model 12FV in 223 and it shoots great! Also, it has a 1:9 twist rate so you have more ammo options as well. I got mine, complete with a 4-12X40 AO scope for $450 NIB. Definitely worth considering in my opinion for this particular application.

scubie02
December 16, 2005, 10:56 AM
well, I've owned a Tikka in the past that I had bad luck with, and own a 527 now in 223. I don't know about heavier bullets, but the day I picked it up I also picked up a box of the cheap wwb bulk pack 55 grainers. My first three groups were two under 1/2" and one JUST over (I think it was .517 or something like that--would have to look). I've thought about getting some more premium type ammo and see if it'd do even better, but honestly its not like I NEED better than 1/2" groups too often...

Tikka's have great triggers, are nice and smooth in their way, and if you get a synthetic stocked one you won't have to worry about the issues with cracks in the wood. I'm sure you'd have a decent chance of doig fine with one fo those too. But if it were my money, I'd put it towards a CZ.

The Real Hawkeye
December 16, 2005, 11:12 AM
For a varminter, go with the Tikka, which is rated high for barrel quality and accuracy. If you want to hunt big game, go with the CZ for the claw extractor and CRF reliabilty. Naturally, you'd go with the Tikka.

trapperjohn
December 16, 2005, 11:59 AM
most states do not allow hunting squirrels with centerfire rifles.

45crittergitter
December 16, 2005, 01:18 PM
In MS, you can hunt squirrels with anything. I love my T3 Lite in .223 - it will easily stay under one MOA with everything I've tried in it. The 1 in 8" twist works well with 55 grain and 75 grain loads I've used.

Shadowhunter
December 16, 2005, 02:08 PM
I've looked at the HMR but I cannot justify paying almost as much as 223 ammo for such a tiny round. Plus, I like overkill for my ground squirrels, makes um know whose boss.:evil: Are there any other 223's that I should be looking at in the 300-550 dollar range?

45crittergitter
December 19, 2005, 01:30 PM
Frankly, I'd recommend both a .17 HMR and a .223. You will have much fun....

Taurus 617 CCW
December 19, 2005, 02:41 PM
The 1-12 twist rate will not support a heavier bullet. You are correct in wanting to go with a 1-10 or a 1-9 twist rate, especially for coyote hunting. Squirrels will die, no matter what you hit them with (given proper shot placement). .223 is going to be a better caliber than .17 HMR for your purposes due to the cost of ammunition. .223 also has a longer range capability and a wider selection of bullets available. Nosler, Hornady, and Remington all put out excellent bullets for that caliber. I have the most experience with the Nosler Ballistic Tips and Partitions. The cost difference between the CZ and Tikka is somewhere from $100 to $200 depending on the dealer. Here is a comparison list for you:

Tikka:
Lighter Rifle, 1 MOA or less guarantee out of the box, Removable flush fitting magazine (plastic), $100-200 more expensive, lighter in weight, comes with 1" scope rings, have to deal with Beretta for servicing, very smooth bolt system, more expensive "accessories," synthetic only stock, available in blued or stainless, no iron sights.

CZ 527 American: Hammer forged barrel, comes with scope rings, 5 round capacity mags only, no iron sights, blued barrel only, no MOA guarantee, heavier rifle (less perceived recoil), mauser style action, walnut stock only, very strong action, $100-200 less in cost, less expensive "accessories," deal directly with CZ manufacture (good customer service).

My own opinion, selling both for about six months in a gun shop, comes down to style and preference. They are both excellent guns. If you plan on carrying it for a long distance, the Tikka wins out, if you are benchresting, the CZ is better. Either way you go, you win. Good luck and happy hunting.

45crittergitter
December 21, 2005, 01:41 PM
FYI, the Tikka mags aren't exactly flush, and you can get either 4 or 6- rounders for the .223. The T3 Hunter (not T3 Lite) comes with a wood stock and weighs a bit more than the Lite. There is also a T3 Varmint that is considerably heavier and more expensive. I have purchased T3 Lites in blue/synthetic, new with rings for $350-550.

deadly50bmg
December 21, 2005, 01:45 PM
CZ

jerkface11
December 21, 2005, 02:01 PM
CZ may not garuntee sub moa groups but they still deliver them.

atblis
December 22, 2005, 10:27 AM
I totally agree about 223 v. 17HMR.

I really like both rifles. I adore my Tikka.

My opinion is that the Tikka has a better trigger. The single set on the CZ doesn't do anything for me. The Tikka trigger is pure bliss when adjusted light.

Both will be plenty accurate.

cameron.personal
December 22, 2005, 11:17 AM
Tikka!:D

SJG26
December 22, 2005, 12:47 PM
I've looked at the HMR but I cannot justify paying almost as much as 223 ammo for such a tiny round. Plus, I like overkill for my ground squirrels, makes um know whose boss.:evil: Are there any other 223's that I should be looking at in the 300-550 dollar range?



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