Colt Trooper Mk III...opinion?


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The Goose
December 16, 2005, 04:23 PM
Today I looked at a Colt Trooper Mk III at my local gun shop. Very nice looking, very tight. A tiny loss of bluing right at the barrel tip, but otherwise very good condition. Ran all the tests and tricks from revolver evaluation post on this site, everything perfect. Except! The double action trigger pull is very stiff. I was surprised. I have never owned or shot a Colt.

The shop owner asked me what I thought of the Trooper and I commented on the stiff trigger. I commented that my S&W's had much better triggers. His reply was that in general he felt Colt's had better triggers, but when he checked out this example he agreed that it was stiff.

I really like the feel of the Trooper and the condition. Price is $299.00. Despite liking it I am thinking of passing on it. Any thoughts anyone?

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Moonclip
December 16, 2005, 04:57 PM
For the price I would almost certainly buy it if I had the funds and didn't already have so many 357 mag firearms. Hopefully dfariswheel can comment of the trigger pull as he is quite knowledgeable on Colts. If he does not see this thread, I reccomend sending him a PM to ask.

Majic
December 16, 2005, 06:29 PM
The price is good and one of the first things I would do is take it down for a good cleaning. Depending on it's age (the first were made in 1969) years of crud and improper cleaning can result in a horrible feeling action.

22-rimfire
December 16, 2005, 07:09 PM
My Mark III 357 was a very smooth trigger. It is possible that it had a trigger job done on it as I bought it used. Price on yours is very good. Pass it up if you like, there is likely another one in your future, but it might not be at that price. Colts in general have better triggers on their revolvers than Smith.

dfariswheel
December 16, 2005, 08:07 PM
The factory spec on the Trooper Mark III trigger was:
Single action pull was a minimum of 3 lbs and a max of 5 lbs.
Double action was a maximum of 14 lbs.

There are a number of things that could cause a heavy trigger pull, and with a used gun it's anybodies guess.

Could be anything from replaced springs, badly fouled and gritty, to some alteration to the action.

$299 is a good price for a Trooper Mark III in that condition, but without some idea of what's wrong, I'd be leery.

One quick test to narrow it down is to open the cylinder, THEN try the DA trigger pull.
If the pull clears up, it's likely something in the cylinder system.

If it's still stiff, it could be as simple a fix as replacing the mainspring.

Croyance
December 16, 2005, 08:36 PM
In the Milwaukee area, which has higher prices, I have recently seen one in very good condition for $475. I compared it to a 19-3 that was in the same case and in a similarly outwardly pristine condition for $500. I liked the 19-3's trigger more, but not by much.

Dienekes
December 16, 2005, 08:42 PM
If you want a revolver for primarily SA shooting, have at it. If you want a good DA revolver...

Colt revolvers, outside of the Python or ones worked over by a very good Colt smith (are there any left?) have never been that good. The heyday of Colt DA revolvers was from about 1920-50 when almost all pistol shooting was single action bullseye work--and for that they were excellent.

My experience is somewhat limited, but the 1950s OP Colts' DAs were only so-so. I spent quite a bit of time with a Mk III once trying to get it usable (spring kits, different stocks, etc.) and gave it up as a bad job. The pull on the one you looked at sounds just about normal for those guns.

If I were you I'd take that same money and look for a nice K or L frame Smith instead. Even if you have to pay a bit more I guarantee you will find it well worth it.

Your money.

MikeIsaj
December 16, 2005, 09:10 PM
I have an origional Trooper circa 1965. I know the action has been worked. It is very smooth. Too smooth for a Colt. As others said, I would give it a good detailed cleaning, then see what you are left with. You can't go wrong with the price.

tc300mag1
December 16, 2005, 10:15 PM
I love my trooper now i did have trigger break on it and before i figured out what it was the Da pull was terrible..

Replaced the trigger for round 50$ and its a great shooter and light SA pull and i actually shoot it better Da not sure weight though

Standing Wolf
December 16, 2005, 11:10 PM
I've owned a couple Mark III Troopers. I'm sorry as @#$%^&! I let either of them go.

The good folks at http://www.cylinder-slide.com work on them. An action job will set you back $100, plus shipping both ways.

The Goose
December 17, 2005, 09:22 AM
Thanks for all of the great replies. If it is still there next week I will go for it.

gunfan
December 17, 2005, 01:51 PM
Today I looked at a Colt Trooper Mk III at my local gun shop. Very nice looking, very tight. A tiny loss of bluing right at the barrel tip, but otherwise very good condition. Ran all the tests and tricks from revolver evaluation post on this site, everything perfect. Except! The double action trigger pull is very stiff. I was surprised. I have never owned or shot a Colt.

The shop owner asked me what I thought of the Trooper and I commented on the stiff trigger. I commented that my S&W's had much better triggers. His reply was that in general he felt Colt's had better triggers, but when he checked out this example he agreed that it was stiff.

I really like the feel of the Trooper and the condition. Price is $299.00. Despite liking it I am thinking of passing on it. Any thoughts anyone?

I have owned one. Buy it! You won't be sorry.:cool: :D

Scott

Vern Humphrey
December 17, 2005, 02:00 PM
For you Trooper fans, here's one on www.gunsamerica.com Trooper MKIII
GA# 976644638
$275.00
Colt Trooper MKIII 357 mag. revolver, blue, 6" barrel. Condition is very good, although it shows some holster wear on muzzle and minor grip wear. Mechanically excellent.
Seller: STONEY POINT GUNS
FFL Dealer: Yes Area Code: 570

gunfan
December 17, 2005, 02:03 PM
For you Trooper fans, here's one on www.gunsamerica.com

Hot damn! That's a good one! :D

Scott

slick6
December 19, 2005, 10:23 PM
Aside from being a Colt, the Trooper Mark III(Along with the Trooper MK V and King Cobra)is perhaps the strongest .357 revolver ever made(EXCEPT for the Ruger Redhawk .357)! And, this strength is far greater than any S&W K-frame! These are even stronger than the bullet proof, Ruger GP-100's!:what:

unspellable
December 20, 2005, 08:34 AM
It's been my experience that the spring stiffness can vary from one Colt to the next. If that's the problem, it should be a relatively easy fix.

cowboy_girl
May 21, 2008, 02:55 PM
Hi The_Goose.

I have Colt Trooper MK III and the double action trigger is a little stiff. That is, it was till you shoot a lot of rounds double action. But even then it is still a bit stiff which I consider a good safety "enhancement" ;) - you really need to pull the trigger if you mean to shoot double-action. Single-action is smooth and easy. If you have it loaded in the holster (which you should not really but some people do) it is certainly safer to have a stiff trigger unless you wanna shoot your toes off ;) . It is a very reliable, powerful and good quality gun. I own several others different calibers, but this one is by far my favorite revolver. If I were you I would get it, but it is your decision, everyone is looking for different things in a gun.

john1911
May 21, 2008, 09:46 PM
I bought a 4" Trooper MKIII early last year. Absolutely love it! DA pull is about like any S&W I've ever shot.

Buy it and give it a good cleaning, may be exactly what it needs.

ironvic
February 4, 2009, 11:09 PM
I have a pristine Trooper MKIII with a 6" barrel and I love it. This coming from a died-in-the-wool S&W man! My Trooper has a silky smooth SA trigger, double action is stiff, but it's so damn accurate (most accurate revolver I've ever owned) and the bluing is deep and beautiful, so the trigger is a minor thing to me. I can always get the trigger slicked up whenever.

Once, in a weak moment, I put up the big ol' Colt for consignment; but after 6 weeks there were no takers as the shop owner said almost all his customers wanted compact semi-autos. I was missing the Colt so bad, I took it back and put up a compact S&W 9c M&P which sold lickety split. I'm thanking my lucky stars that I still have the Colt and I wouldn't give it up for any amount.

Before I got the MKIII, I had an old tooled leather clamshell holster that would have fit it to a tee. It was one of those old cop leather jobs that hinged open in front like they used to wear on the old TV series Adam-12. Those two would have made a great pair, a pristine old Colt 6" and the cop holster to go with it. I sold that holster on eBay for $125 to a nostalgic old LASO deputy who wore one in the '70s, so I did alright and he's happy.

Here's hoping you ended up with the Trooper!http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=65521&d=1192420962

earlthegoat2
February 5, 2009, 12:07 AM
The Trooper MK3 is built like a tank. The only other revolver I have seen that can compare in strength is the SW 28 N frame 357.

Compared properly to similar sized revolvers though it is in a league of its own in the strength and weight department. It looks like it has a bull barrel on it. Mine is a Satin Nickel one that I got for 375. Would never have passed it up for that price.

The trigger pull is heavier than I would call normal for a DA revolver but it is smooth also. I think for a combat handgun it is an ideal trigger pull. And that is how this Trooper is rigged.

easyrider6042004@yahoo.ca
February 5, 2009, 01:20 AM
For 299 bucks, if the only problem is the stiff trigger and everything else checks out according to the Jim March Revoler checkout sticky, I'd buy it.

Stiff trigger may be a simple matter of gummed up internals, which is really easy to fix by immersing the whole gun (less grips) in Ed's Red for 24 hours.

Good luck

Walkalong
February 5, 2009, 09:37 AM
Whoops, old thread.

Yep. Trooper Mk III's are great.

jgatsios
February 6, 2009, 01:31 AM
My service revolver in the late 1980's was a Trooper Mark III. It is a fine design. Mine shot beautifully.

bflobill_69
February 6, 2009, 10:20 AM
This is a gun I have always prized...

...that seems like a fantastic price for one in good shape

Bflobill69

Nowhere Man
February 6, 2009, 10:26 AM
What's the $299 Trooper MK III with a stiff trigger worth now?


Dave

rswartsell
February 6, 2009, 12:31 PM
I paid 429.00 on gunbroker a month ago and felt it was a good deal. The Mk III I got was 98% and good trigger. My bet even higher now.

earlthegoat2
February 6, 2009, 06:56 PM
Here is mine, just had to include the picture.

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll66/earlthegoat2/SDC11210.jpg

S&W-Keeper
February 6, 2009, 09:37 PM
It is awfully hard to find a Colt under $300 nowdays,you had better get it while you can.It is probably dirty, and need a good cleaning.

bannockburn
February 6, 2009, 11:46 PM
Nowhere Man

Well I just saw a used one today at Gander Mountain. Very clean, but no box or paperwork. Price on it was $999.

Nowhere Man
February 7, 2009, 06:33 AM
Probably the same gun.:rolleyes:


Dave

sharpetop
February 8, 2009, 05:20 PM
I purchased one N.I.B. in 1978. Like an idiot, I traded it two or three years ago on something I couldn't live without. I sure wish I had my Trooper back!

Buy it!

Duke of Doubt
February 8, 2009, 05:38 PM
I've never owned a Trooper; my Colts are older. Colt double-action triggers "stack", meaning pull gets heavier through the stroke. Stacking pull made Colts less desirable for double action tactical shooting than Smiths back in the 1950s and 1960s when police agencies switched over from bullseye training. Smith then took the market from Colt. For single action bullseye shooting, Colts beat Smiths hands down.

Walkalong
February 8, 2009, 06:39 PM
Very nice looking Trooper there earlthegoat2. I have 2, I want more.

ironvic
February 8, 2009, 10:38 PM
I spent some quality time with my Colt Trooper last night. Put my laptop on the kitchen table and watched Dawn of the Dead on DVD. There's nothing like cleaning a Trooper while watching the scene with the guys going through the mall gun shop as zombies "browse" outside the doors. Old school heaven!

Steve C
February 8, 2009, 11:05 PM
I've owned this Trooper MKIII since 1975 when I bought it used from a gun store for for around $100 which was a lot of money to a college student in those days. It will shoot a 2.5" group like this one at 25 yds with 158gr LSWC reloads all day.

http://members.cox.net/scollins15/Pictures/troopgrp.jpg

lsufan1971
May 22, 2009, 04:29 PM
I paid $650 for this one at a gun show in April. I have always been a Smith guy. I have 6 K frames, a model 27 and I have to say I love this gun.

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm80/lsufan1971/SNB12202.jpg

Confederate
May 22, 2009, 09:41 PM
Yep, I would have bought it, too. The Mark IIIs were not known for being a great revolver, though by today's standards it would be a nice gun to have in one's collection. The Mark V was a better designed pistol and was more accurate, plus the grip was a great improvement over that of the Mark III. Why Colt put the grips it did on the Mark III and the Python I'll never know, but they was great if you had a hand like an orangutan!

Just the workmanship alone would be worth the three hundred bucks, and the bluing. A S&W 19 and the Ruger Security-Six were better guns, IMO, but the Mark III was a Colt, and for that reason alone I'd buy it.

22-rimfire
May 22, 2009, 10:39 PM
The Mark III is probably one of the strongest 357 mag revolvers ever made. That includes Ruger. The Ruger Security Six is not in the same league. I consider the Mark III about equal to the Smith Model 19. It just depends if you're a Colt or Smith person as to which one you prefer. I have both.

In case no one noticed, this thread started in 2005. These days a good one will cost you in the $450-$600 range. Pretty good appreciation, huh? Anything less is a steal and anything more ... well it would depend on caliber, condition, finish etc. The 22 WMR is the most desireable of the Mark III caliber offerings. I love my 357.

earlthegoat2
May 22, 2009, 11:06 PM
What about the the model 27 and 28 Smiths. N Frame 6 shot 357s. They have some pretty good stregth too.

Now if you meant stregth to size ratio then yes probably Colt MK IIIs will take it.

BhmBill
May 22, 2009, 11:09 PM
For $300? I'd be all over it.

Even $100 at a gun smith to smooth the trigger out is a good deal.
They're going for $600+ here.

I love mine. One of the best, if not the best double action and single action trigger pulls of any gun i've shot.

I carry a S&W 581, but really prefer the feel of the MKIII.

Great gun.

Blue Brick
May 23, 2009, 12:15 AM
Nothing is stronger than Ruger. Period. Higher quality steel and a better design.

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