Clerk won't sell doritos to man with $100 bill...Man pulls assault rifle.


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jsalcedo
December 16, 2005, 04:35 PM
TOWN OF NIAGARA - A man with an assault rifle threatened a convenience store clerk who wouldn't sell him a bag of Doritos Wednesday, town police said.
Police Chief James Suitor said a man entered the A Plus Mini Mart Sunoco at the intersection of Porter/Packard and Military roads at 5:15 a.m. and tried to buy the snack food with a $100 bill.

The clerk told him she couldn't make change, and said that the man went to his truck and returned with an assault rifle. She pushed the silent alarm and police arrested the man without incident.

Suitor said the man made no demands, but that the clerk felt threatened.

Jeremy Logan, 29, of Third Street, Niagara Falls was charged with menacing, disorderly conduct and driving while intoxicated. Other charges may be added after a meeting with the district attorney, Suitor said.

Logan was ordered held in Niagara County Jail on $1,000 bail.

http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20051216/7042632.asp

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jsalcedo
December 16, 2005, 04:37 PM
I'm sure it was an assault rifle. Probably a tec 22 :rolleyes:

Pretty stupid any way you cut it.

jobu07
December 16, 2005, 04:37 PM
Interesting...

mbs357
December 16, 2005, 04:42 PM
Yes.
An assault rifle.
I'm sure it would have sprayed bullets everywhere if the police hadn't saved the day in time.

ny32182
December 16, 2005, 05:08 PM
When I read the title, I thought it meant "100 billion dollars". Like... the clerk wouldn't sell chips to Bill Gates or something. heh.

ID_shooting
December 16, 2005, 05:23 PM
I care less what it was, dude pulls a bb gun on me he can have the flipping chips.

That guy needs his head examined. I have never had the munchies THAT bad.

Mr_Moore
December 16, 2005, 05:38 PM
That guy needs his head examined.

That about sums it up. The guy has anger issues big time. I think grabbing an assualt rifle in those circumstances is the definition of "unstable".

Yep, I looked it up and that is the definition all right.

age_ranger
December 16, 2005, 05:53 PM
Maybe it actually happened in the town of VIAGRA and the guy was just really happy to see him????

What's society coming to these days? It's getting to where you can't even get quality crooks?

Devonai
December 16, 2005, 06:18 PM
I would've just started adding bags of Doritos to the counter until the clerk could make change. 100 bags of Doritos is better than none.

Lupinus
December 16, 2005, 06:22 PM
Maybe this is one of the guys talked about over in the copper Chore Boy thread cause that is some serious munchies lol. Though I agree with the clerk a bit, when you can't make change you can't make change and guys wanting to buy two dollars worth of stuff with a hundred dollar bill friggin annoyed me when I worked at a gas station.

That said I bet it was a friggin hopped up bb gun on steriods. Assult Rifle my as....

rick_reno
December 16, 2005, 06:27 PM
Are these things addictive?

Rupestris
December 16, 2005, 06:37 PM
Whats the punishment for shoplifting a $2 bag of doritos?:confused:

scubie02
December 16, 2005, 06:39 PM
Logan was ordered held in Niagara County Jail on $1,000 bail.

I hope they take $100's...

308win
December 16, 2005, 07:09 PM
I wonder if anyone has checked to see if the $100 is legit?:scrutiny: I get people frequently wanting to buy a cup of coffee with a $50 Or $100 and it is always first thing in the morning when there isn't much change and the bank doesn't open until 9.

lysander
December 16, 2005, 07:25 PM
I grew up a hop, skip and a jump from that intersection. I'll see if I can scare up more details.

slzy
December 16, 2005, 07:50 PM
DWI,eh?

6inch
December 16, 2005, 08:05 PM
"Assault Rifle"? Somehow I kinda' doubt it. :rolleyes:

Too Many Choices!?
December 16, 2005, 08:06 PM
All stores need a panic button to lock the doors, and a full auto 10/22 behind the register(banana clips)....Best part is the punk would probably live to see trial, and after being razzed by a few .22 at around 11oorpm, he will wish he was dead..:)

Two words frrrrr, frrrr. 20 or so .22 caliber rounds to center mass should make the munchies go away:evil:!

adaman04
December 16, 2005, 08:18 PM
This just in. The guy was a law-abiding gun owner and it was an AR project gun he had 1200 bucks invested in? George Strait and I also have some ocean front property in Arizona, and if you'll buy that, we'll throw the Golden Gate in free.

Anyone got a dollar on criminal record and an SKS? :D

Phyphor
December 16, 2005, 09:18 PM
Are these things addictive?

Wasn't the old ad slogan "You can't eat just one!" :neener:

1911 guy
December 17, 2005, 07:29 AM
But it was probably a counterfeit bill and the perp figured he needed the cash now, so outright robbery will do when you can't get cash from passing funny money.

hso
December 17, 2005, 07:37 AM
Doritos, Truck, Drunk, Gun? Sounds like a very bad CW song, but it's just another idiot that needs to be taken out of the gene pool. :banghead:

chopinbloc
December 17, 2005, 08:45 AM
Falling Down

Strings
December 17, 2005, 10:06 AM
wow... and I thought *I* got irate when there was a problem with how I wanted to pay for something...

I wonder if Doritos could use this in an ad campaign? :neener:

lwsimon
December 17, 2005, 11:37 AM
I noticed the man hasn't *yet* been charged with any crime regarding the gun. The article says he also made no demands, but the clerk "felt threatened". Now, if I told osmeone no and they went out to their car and came back in with a gun, i'd feel threatened and call the cops too - but I don't know that any law was broken if the firearm was not displayed in a threatening manner. I mean, some states have harsh brandishing laws, but I'm not sure that would apply here. I think we can all agree, however, that he acted as a moron.

trueblue1776
December 17, 2005, 11:56 AM
GUYS! DORITOS ARE A DANGEROUS SUBSTANCE! SOMEONE GET FIENSTEIN ON THE PHONE PRONTO! SHE WILL LIMIT ALL BAGS TO TEN CHIPS OR LESS AND THERE WILL ALSO BE A 12 DAY WAITING PERIOD ON FAMILY SIZE AND A 21 DAY WAITING PERIOD ON ALL GRAB BAGS!
WE MUST KEEP OUR KIDS SAFE FROM DORITO FANATICS!!!!

:neener:

El Tejon
December 17, 2005, 12:03 PM
Why didn't do what any THR member would have done? Trade the chips for the rifle!:D

El Tejon, near where Doritos are made in Frankfort, Indiana (no doubt plotting more eeevil!).:uhoh:

carguym14
December 17, 2005, 01:03 PM
Falling Down



I was thinking the same thing-Guy gets fired,his dog runs away,finds his wife with his best friend,and just wants some Dorito's.

Any updates?

Cacique500
December 17, 2005, 01:08 PM
The guy obviously has issues but...

A $100 bill is still legal tender - if the store can't make change for legal tender then they should've given him the doritos.

Skewed logic I know, but it irritates me to no end when people won't make change. If I head out on a business trip I usually have large bills at the beginning and it's annoying to try to break a $50 or a $100 and they give you the deer in headlights look.

BigFatKen
December 17, 2005, 01:16 PM
A great recycle of old film to make new uses.

grizz5675
December 17, 2005, 01:49 PM
Im sure the problem was the assault rifle and the fact that he was drunk off his ass had nothing to do with it.

M2 Carbine
December 17, 2005, 02:18 PM
99% of the time I only carry a few $100 bills in my wallet. That way I know on my infrequent trips to town, that whatever I end up doing I've got enough money with me.
Can't say I've had any problems that would make me want get the SKS from the pickup.:D


It doesn't seem to say exactly what that guy did but If I was an armed clerk and he came back through the door with an "assault rifle" I would be expecting the worse.

Strings
December 17, 2005, 02:25 PM
>It doesn't seem to say exactly what that guy did but If I was an armed clerk and he came back through the door with an "assault rifle" I would be expecting the worse.<

Hmmm... there's an interesting legal question: could the clerk legitimately claim "fear for his life" in this situation? Had he been armed, would he have been justified in shooting?

jtward01
December 17, 2005, 04:16 PM
Wasn't this in a Michael Douglas movie a few years ago?:neener:

Sheldon J
December 17, 2005, 05:24 PM
But it was probably a counterfeit bill and the perp figured he needed the cash now, so outright robbery will do when you can't get cash from passing funny money.
Maybe the color XEROX was broke down and all he had was B&W, seriously though has any one mentioned the federal law that states any business refusing legal tender reguardless of demonation for a item the item is considered paid for?

Marnoot
December 17, 2005, 06:53 PM
A $100 bill is still legal tender - if the store can't make change for legal tender then they should've given him the doritos.When you're purchasing an item, a business can refuse any kind of money they wish. If they only want to take $2 bills, Delaware state-quarters, and wheat pennies, that's their prerogative, and yours is to choose not to shop there. Cash is "Legal tender for all debts, public and private." A creditor must take payment in all forms of legal tender, but a retailer in a situation like the one in this thread is not under any such obligation as you are not in debt to them.

losangeles
December 17, 2005, 11:13 PM
Wasn't the old ad slogan "You can't eat just one!" :neener:

I guess I'm old because I remember the jingle: "No one can eat just one. Lay's potato chips, Lay's potato chips, no one can eat just one!"

UberPhLuBB
December 18, 2005, 01:51 AM
$1000 bail, huh?

His $100 bill would get him out. :D

chopinbloc
December 18, 2005, 06:16 AM
okay, it seems a few people don't know why it is that convenience stores don't accept large bills. there are two reasons: first is that if the clerk was doing his/her job right there would BE $99 dollars in the register. when i worked at a convenience store, the policy was to keep your drawer under $50. late at night i would stop helping customers to drop money. i didn't care who saw it and i didn't care who had to wait a couple seconds for me to do it either. part of the reason is to limit the store's loss in case of robbery but more than that it discourages the attempt by showing that there isn't enough money to be worth it. which brings us to the other reason a clerk won't make change for bills larger than $20: it demonstrates how much money is in their drawer. often times crooks will try to pay for something with a hundred because they want to see how much money is in the register. if the clerk accepts the money, they'll rob the place, if the clerk doesn't they'll move on to a store with more money in the register.

TxCajun
December 18, 2005, 03:44 PM
seriously though has any one mentioned the federal law that states any business refusing legal tender reguardless of demonation for a item the item is considered paid for?
You ARE kidding, right? :rolleyes:

Mad Chemist
December 18, 2005, 04:04 PM
The guy obviously has issues but...

A $100 bill is still legal tender - if the store can't make change for legal tender then they should've given him the doritos.

Skewed logic I know, but it irritates me to no end when people won't make change. If I head out on a business trip I usually have large bills at the beginning and it's annoying to try to break a $50 or a $100 and they give you the deer in headlights look.

It's not for convenience or to irritate people, it's to discourage robberies.
Less cash = less appealing target. It helps if this policy is clearly posted at the business. I work at a mom & pop store durring the school year. My till only has $100 in it(including coins)at such an early hour.

Mad Chemist
December 18, 2005, 04:14 PM
>It doesn't seem to say exactly what that guy did but If I was an armed clerk and he came back through the door with an "assault rifle" I would be expecting the worse.<

Hmmm... there's an interesting legal question: could the clerk legitimately claim "fear for his life" in this situation? Had he been armed, would he have been justified in shooting?

When I've had irate customers leave(happens rarely, but some people are just jerks), I stop what I'm doing and watch them as they enter their vehicles. I make a mental note of appearance and vehicle description.

If a customer is obviously retrieving a weapon I'd leave the till open, hit the panic button, and retreat to preplanned cover AWAY from the till. If they want the money that's fine by me. If they come looking for me, I intend to ambush and shoot to the ground. I don't give a rat's ass about the money, my only concern is protecting myself.

hso
December 18, 2005, 06:02 PM
Mad Chemist,

Exactly!!

He's lucky that he can bail out of jail after a stunt like that up there 'cause down here he wouldn't be getting out of the morgue at all.

Illuminaughty
December 19, 2005, 05:02 AM
Whats the punishment for shoplifting a $2 bag of doritos?:confused:

LMAO!!!! GOOD POINT!!

ingram
December 19, 2005, 05:50 AM
Wasn't this in a Michael Douglas movie a few years ago?

Yes, it is a great Michael Douglas movie by the name of Falling Down (Hunter Rose mentioned it earlier).

However, Douglas was angry at the cost of a can of soda, which was .85 cents. He wanted to make change for a 50 cent payphone call, and became irate at the cost. The store owner pulled out a bat, which was taken by Douglas, who proceeded to "Mark down" merchandise (a.k.a. smash things).

"I'm just sticking up for my rights, as a consumer," were his words. He ends up opening the till, paying a dollar and taking out 50 cents. The owner expects he is a robber, "Take the money! Take the money!" So it's quite funny when Douglas pays his desired price and leaves.

The guns don't become involved until later ;)

To anyone who hasn't seen this movie, I highly recommend you rent it. It is a brilliant performance by Michael Douglas as an unstable, crazy dude. Viewer discression is advised.

magyvor
December 19, 2005, 11:44 AM
As far as I am concerned, this guy should have the book thrown at him..hell, he should be beat with the book until he is unconscious.

There is no excuse for that kind of behavior. I dont care if it was a plastic squirt gun, his behavior was wrong, period.

He was drinking? He went to his car and got a gun? He tried to go back into the store? All these things add up to potential life threatening actions. Some one could have gotten seriously hurt over a bag of chips.

Its bad enough I need a PERMIT to excercise my constitutional right to bear arms. In todays world, anyone who supports the 2nd, or has a CCW, should be the first ones to condemn people who behave like this. Not only were his actions just plain fuggin stoooopid, but they give ammunition to those who want to strip us of our freedoms. We dont need that.:banghead:

If a clerk refuses to make change for me, or wont accept my money, and I wanted to be anal about it, I would later contact the store manager....or If I was feeling particularly "wronged" then I would get a lawyer. Thats the response a responsable person would have taken.

So again, I hope this idiot gets a huge fine, has all his guns taken from him, and then is sentenced to some serious counseling. He is a danger to himself and others. He does NOT represent responsable gun owners in any way shape or form.

BTW, I do luvs me some Doritos :neener:

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