New at reloading, need some advice.


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walking arsenal
December 16, 2005, 10:30 PM
Hey all

This is my first post in the reloading section of THR.

So, bear with me, i'm new at this.

I've recently aquired 15 rounds of 30-06 AP, headstamp FA 45.

The problem is that these rounds are corrosive primed. So i dont want to shoot them through my good rifle, period.

I'd like to pull the bullets and have them reloaded in some new non military cases.

Problem is i dont have the gear for that.

I'd like to hire somebody to do it for me. I just want a box or two. I would supply the brass, primers and powder. I just need to borrow some gear.

What i need to know is though, what kind of the above componants do i need? I.E. brands of primers and powders, even a recipe would be nice.

I want to have everything so i can just say"here ya go" and not leave any more fus than i have to for the fellow i hire.

Can this be done or is it not worth the effort. I'd still like the info either way.

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P95Carry
December 16, 2005, 10:41 PM
WA - short answer - it really ain't worth it!!! (IMO) That said i have collet pullers and if you were close would happily obige you.

You can get 30-06 brass real easy - and a pack of 50, plus some (for example) Nosler ballistic tip 165's - some powder and large rifle primers - you'd be good to go, with the right gear.

I would myself use VV N-140 for my loads - well I use that for .308 and so it will suit 30-06 too. I choose Fed Primers but that ain't overly critical.

In fact - go buy a coupla boxes of 20 Rem - ''Coreloct'' from Wally World - shoot em up and you have the brass to reload.

If you don't have the gear yet - consider getting it - nothing better than home brew rifle rounds.

walking arsenal
December 16, 2005, 10:45 PM
does it matter for specifics on primers? like i said, ive never reloaded so i wouldnt even know what primers fit in a 30-06 casing or do all rifle rounds use the same primers?

P95Carry
December 16, 2005, 10:55 PM
Sorry - I didn't expand. Well larger cases like 30-06, .308 - those sizes take ''large rifle'' primers. Small cases like .223 Rem, 222 etc - will take ''small rifle''.

I do not think make is overly important - folks have favorites but while I choose Fed - it is only because I use those for handgun loads too.

taliv
December 16, 2005, 11:29 PM
WA, to each his own, but it sure seems like you're going through a heckuva lot of effort for FIFTEEN rounds.

if you want AP ammo that bad, are you actually going to shoot any of it?

especially if you've never reloaded before, you'd want to start 10% under and work your way up to make sure your pressures aren't high. every reloading manual you find will say that.

my point is you'll shoot up your 15 AP bullets just trying to get your velocity where you want it and to make sure it feeds/fires/functions. i shoot several hundred of a given load before i trust it enough to ccw with it.

if you're saving up the fifteen AP rounds for a jack-booted thug invasion, or armored zombies... primer corrosion would be the last of my worries.

(edit: and depending on what your "good" rifle is... rebarreling might be cheaper than the reloading equipment)

walking arsenal
December 17, 2005, 12:37 AM
It's a winchester M70 blackshadow.

I said good rifle, i didn't say expensive rifle.

But it shoots ridiculously well, and i dont want that to change any time soon.

Chawbaccer
December 17, 2005, 08:14 AM
Corrosive primed ammo won't vaporize your barrel. Shoot them and then swab your bore, no harm done.

redneck2
December 17, 2005, 08:28 AM
I've recently aquired 15 rounds of 30-06 AP, headstamp FA 45.

The problem is that these rounds are corrosive primed. So i dont want to shoot them through my good rifle, period.

I'd like to pull the bullets and have them reloaded in some new non military cases.

This is kinda like buying $500 worth of Snap-On tools to change one set of spark plugs.

JDGray
December 17, 2005, 10:06 AM
Inertia Hammer, cheap ! JDGray

walking arsenal
December 17, 2005, 10:13 AM
That i might get. They're like twelve bucks.

This is kinda like buying $500 worth of Snap-On tools to change one set of spark plugs.

No doubt, but the tools would be more useful. I don't plan to get into reloading for a loooong time. This is sort of a one instance deal.

MachIVshooter
December 17, 2005, 11:35 PM
It's a winchester M70 blackshadow.

I said good rifle, i didn't say expensive rifle.

But it shoots ridiculously well, and i dont want that to change any time soon.

I wouldn't expect particularly good accuracy from AP bullets. More often than not, the steel core is actually loose inside the copper jacket. I have loaded hundreds of these. They're fun to play with, but 3 MOA is about as good as it gets. I've peirced 1" plate steel at 30 yards with some warm handloads using 162 gr. AP bullets.

'Round here, I just pick 'em up at the gunshows. Some of the vendors will carry "pulled" AP bullets and sell them for ~$0.15/ea. They have a groove down the side from the automated pulling machines that remove them from the outdated milsurp ammo, but they shoot OK.

snuffy
December 18, 2005, 12:27 AM
Corrosive primed ammo won't vaporize your barrel. Shoot them and then swab your bore, no harm done.

Correct but not enough info. The salts in the primers are water soluable. You would need water based solvent, the old G.I. bore cleaner was made just for removing the corrosive residue. Actually hot, soapy water is all you would need. Followed by a rinse with boiling water, then a good oiling.

hwp
December 18, 2005, 12:55 AM
This is kinda like buying $500 worth of Snap-On tools to change one set of spark plugs.

$500 won't buy enough snap on tools to change spark plugs anyway.

cracked butt
December 18, 2005, 01:45 AM
http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=508946

http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=215517

Add in a few bucks shipping and handling, and your reloads will nly cost about $2 a piece.;)

Better off just shooting them as-is and using hot water to clean your rifle when you're done.

walking arsenal
December 18, 2005, 10:01 AM
How does that work? the picture looks like there is only a die. Dont i need a press?

Sleeping Dog
December 18, 2005, 11:56 AM
How does that work? the picture looks like there is only a die. Dont i need a press?
No, just a hammer.

walking arsenal
December 18, 2005, 04:07 PM
Oh, i have one of those. :)

walking arsenal
December 20, 2005, 10:49 AM
Ok guys, i've decided that i'll probably go with the lee press suggested above. it seems the best bang for the buck and space i've got.

Question though, does this press crimp and how important is a crimp if it doesnt?

halvey
December 20, 2005, 10:57 AM
does it matter for specifics on primers? like i said, ive never reloaded so i wouldnt even know what primers fit in a 30-06 casing or do all rifle rounds use the same primers?
Primers, especially with mid to max loads ARE VERY IMPORTANT!!! Swapping a primer on a rifle round can increase pressures dramitically.

I would not suggest Lee. But, if you really want a Lee, I have a Lee C press I'll sell you.

Lots of effort here for 15 rounds of odd six ammo. Even buying a $12 bullet puller, you still aren't ahead.

P0832177
December 20, 2005, 11:03 AM
Before you buy a darn thing you need to buy a copy of the ABC's of Reloading! Read it cover to cover, twice and then come back with questions!

halvey
December 20, 2005, 11:20 AM
Before you buy a darn thing you need to buy a copy of the ABC's of Reloading! Read it cover to cover, twice and then come back with questions! True! And I have that book for sale too!!
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=165793

P95Carry
December 20, 2005, 01:21 PM
Question though, does this press crimp and how important is a crimp if it doesnt?It is not the press per se that crimps, rather the way you set it up for dies in use.

Neck tension will hold bullet pretty well but if seating die set down just enough then a slight crimp can be added as well.

Better still for quality results is use of a final stage after seating with a factory crimp die - efficient and consistent.

Taurus 617 CCW
December 20, 2005, 02:25 PM
Another vote for just shooting it in it's original case. I have an 8mm Turkish Mauser. The old milsurp stuff is highly corrosive but a bolt gun is easily cleaned. If it was a semi-auto I would discourage you from using it. For the cost of reloading with no prospect of near future reloading, I would just shoot it as is. Just my $0.02

snuffy
December 20, 2005, 04:58 PM
WA, I think you're confused. The lee hand die mentioned DOES NOT use a press! You use a hammer to drive the case into the die which only neck sizes the case. You then prime using a seperate chamber to AGAIN drive a primer into the primer pocket! Charging the case with powder is done with a dipper, following a data sheet supplied with the loading tool. And no it doesn't have any way to crimp the shell. The only reason to crimp would be if you were using the ammo in a semi-auto rifle anyway.

walking arsenal
December 20, 2005, 08:51 PM
Your right snuffy, whats new. I forgot to post earlier that the price of that lee (die, press, reloader) made me change my mind on reloading.

See, I live in a one room apartment and dont have table space for a press. But that hand held jobby looks like it would work for my purposes and to see if i like reloading without a huge investment.

It IS winter in in MN.

Halvey, you crack me up. Post a pic of the C loader you want to sell and ill take a look. I probably will take you up on that book of yours. Standby.

walking arsenal
December 22, 2005, 01:33 PM
What about trimming cases? Will that be needed as well?

halvey
December 22, 2005, 02:12 PM
With rifle cases, yes you will need to trim. Usually after the 2-4th firing depending on the loads.

walking arsenal
December 22, 2005, 05:19 PM
What happens if i dont?

P0832177
December 23, 2005, 12:49 AM
see below

P0832177
December 23, 2005, 12:51 AM
Take the time to sit down and read a copy of the ABC's of Reloading. It will answer most questions you have! Reloading is a safe hobby, but when people want to take short cuts and do stuff by cutting corners it does increase the danger. We want you to be safe reloader, and the only way that is going to happen is for you start reading and quit posting questions till you need more direction. Your use of the search function will lead your to many answers you seek, too! What happens if i dont?

Sunray
December 23, 2005, 01:18 AM
For 12 rounds I wouldn't bother doing anything. Mind you, I believe your ATF considers AP .30-06 to be evil for some reason and few if any ranges will let you shoot it.
Living in a batchelor apt takes creative thinking if you want to reload. Been there. A Black and Decker Workmate may be in order. Strong enough to load on but folds up. They're not perfect, but will do. Then look into an RCBS Beginner's Kit.
If you don't trim cases, they'll literally be too long to fit into the chamber properly. Your ammo will be of different OAL too. It creates a whole bunch of trouble.
In any case, buy the book and read it. You'll have a better idea of what's invloved.
Flushing the barrel with plain boiling water will deal with the primer salts. Then clean as per normal. Corrosive ammo won't instantly damage your rifle though. It's just a nuisance.

walking arsenal
December 23, 2005, 11:22 AM
We want you to be safe reloader, and the only way that is going to happen is for you start reading and quit posting questions till you need more direction.

You know, if everyone quit posting questions and just used the search function none of us would learn anything new and THR would be a pretty boring forum.

I am going to pick up The ABCs of reloading before i get the die though, that part makes good sense and will help me figure out exactly what i need.

Living in a batchelor apt takes creative thinking if you want to reload.

My wife and I agree, true statement.

The Bushmaster
December 23, 2005, 01:44 PM
Walking Arsenal...Please bare with all of us ol' farts. We, or most of us, have sent our children into the world to fend for themselves. You have a lot of livin' to do and we are trying to see to it you get to do it with all your fingers, hands and face intact. Please pay attention to your elders (some of us have learned the hard way) and get atleast two load manuals. It really doesn't matter which ones. Just make sure that they are on the top 5 list. Read. Read. Read. Then you can come and ask all the questions you wish with a greater knowedge and understanding. Remember....We are not the experts...The manuals are...:)

Merry Christmas to one and all...:cool:

walking arsenal
December 23, 2005, 05:33 PM
Bushmaster

It's because of the old farts that I come here and ask questions.

The old ones are the ones that give me the opinions and personal experience that books cant.

Books give me information, wether or not it's good info is another thing. We all know that occasionaly there are authors that just want to sell books regardless of wether or not the info is good. M. Moore is an excellent example, he sells lots of movies and books. Are the "facts" in them true? Who knows.

The lee press is another good example. I wanted to know if it was a good thing for my needs. Lee will tell me it's great in hopes i will buy it, you will tell me if it sucks, hoping i wont buy it and blow my fingers off. I like my fingers and am already one short as is.

For the record, if anyone doesnt like people that ask questions, feel free in the future to not to click on their threads, read them and then post in them.

Thanks all for the information, you have helped greatly in getting me started in a new hobby at a reasonable price.

The Bushmaster
December 23, 2005, 07:29 PM
Oh...Well...Now I feel much better in my dotage...:D

Merry Christmas to you and yours....:)

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