Verify Your Load Data


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HSMITH
April 6, 2003, 12:38 PM
Well, complacency is dangerous and it should be one of the rules of reloading. Nothing bad happened at all, but it did serve as a wakeup call.
I loaded about 200 45 acp's from a recipe located in the Lee Modern Reloading manual, and never verified it anywhere else. Hodgdon Clays, start load with the 230 fmj was listed at 4.5 grains, max at 4.7. I set up for 4.6 and cranked them off. Recoil on round number one was stout and noise was not out of the ordinary, but I was duplicating(I thought) factory ball ammo and the casing ended up downrange. I ended up shooting 5 before I got a casing to inspect and the primer was badly flattened, and the test mule has a supported chamber so dimensionally the brass was fine. I shot a few more and they were fantastically accurate. I tested one in another gun with an unsupported chamber (standard 1911) and it showed a tiny "belly" in the case and the primers were flattened badly. Both guns have fitted firing pins or the primer would have cratered and possibly blown. I am pretty sure in a Glock they would have blown a case. I shot the balance of them in the supported chamber gun knowing that they were well into the hot zone.

Well, some research turned up that the MAX load for 4 other sources is FOUR grains, I was .6 grains OVER MAX, that is a lot when you consider the light charge weight, a full 15% over max. I would never have considered exceeding the max charge, and things could have gone badly.

VERIFY YOUR DATA, if there is a large diference do some digging or it could go badly.

Hope this reminds someone that is getting compfortable as I was.

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mparris71
April 6, 2003, 09:27 PM
Verified your Data, Lee dose seem to be in error. Pretty Scary stuff. Glad everything held together. Notice Lee's list Velocity with 4.7 grains at 874 fps and Pressure at 17400 CUP but Hodgdon list 4.0 Grains at 732 fps at 17000 CUP. Wonder if Hodgdons suppliers changed the recipe for Clays after 1996 (the copywrite date on Lee's book)?

HSMITH
April 6, 2003, 11:57 PM
You found the exact data I did. Could have been that the recipe for Clays changed, if I am not mistaken it is made in Australia by a contractor and shipped over for Hodgdon to market here. There could easily have been a ball dropped somewhere in there.

Clays is one of the powders I could not live without, it is amazing in several applications.

mparris71
April 7, 2003, 09:59 AM
I've never used Clays, been thinking about doing so. Local Shop has 8lbs jugs for $99.00. How dose it meter?
Thanks
MP

HSMITH
April 7, 2003, 07:34 PM
Meters beautifully. Consistant as you could ask for and no troubles at all. I have burned somewhere in the neighborhood of 80 pounds of it over the last 6 years or so, and run it through 4 different loaders.

blades67
April 7, 2003, 10:28 PM
I check at least three sources for new loads.

HSMITH
April 7, 2003, 11:09 PM
My point EXACTLY blades.

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