Ebay ranks guns with KKK items and booze


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redneck
April 6, 2003, 01:08 PM
Hey guys
Never really followed ebay, so I didn't know about this. Sorry if its old news. They had the owner of ebay, or at least some woman representing ebay, on TV this morning for a wallstreet report.
They asked her when ebay decided to start limiting what you were allowed to sell. Her answer was that (paraphrasing)" Ebay tries to follow a set of values" and the first thing she listed was guns. "Even though guns are perfectly legal to own....we don't feel selling them sends the right message" "really anything like that, guns, KKK items, alcohol, tobacco, we won't list any of it"

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Kenneth Lew
April 6, 2003, 01:35 PM
What about all that porn and "wine" they sell.:banghead:

Idiots.

Kenneth Lew

Sisco
April 6, 2003, 02:06 PM
What about all that porn and "wine" they sell

Maybe that's because the powers-to-be like wine & porn :D
I bought one gun from ebay before they quit selling them, still find a lot of reloading supplies & general gun stuff there.
Right now they have listed 8343 items under "Gun accessories"
3655 under "Reloading Equipment" 3279 at "Optics"
I really get a kick out of it when I see a magazine for sale that is obviously a high cap. (forbidden under their rules) and the description reads something like "Per ebay rules, I am listing this as a 10 round magazine". :D

TheOtherOne
April 6, 2003, 02:15 PM
It's bad enough they have the policy, but to group them with the KKK!!

I sent off my venting e-mail (http://pages.ebay.com/help/basics/select-support.html) to them for some $2/day worker in India to delete.

Maybe I'll actually send a real live letter to let them know how I feel about their comments.

eBay Inc.
2145 Hamilton Avenue
San Jose, California 95125

jimbo
April 6, 2003, 05:30 PM
Anti-war panzies here in San Francisco equate yellow ribbons with Nazi flags. True! They have been saying, "if we allow yellow ribbons to be posted on public property, the next thing is people will want to post nazi flags."

I kid you not. Lord I had San Francisco. If I didn't love my job, I would be out of here and back to one of California's Bush Counties in a heartbeat. Five years from now when my job finishes, I will be.:cuss:

a9mmfan
April 6, 2003, 09:04 PM
It's a ********** company, What else would we expect???

Standing Wolf
April 6, 2003, 09:04 PM
E Bay doesn't seem to want my money: I don't do business with organizations that practice anti-Second Amendment bigotry.

gudel
April 6, 2003, 09:15 PM
considering firearms cost in hundreds, that's quite some listing and closing fees for ebay. i don't think ebay is anti 2nd amendment, but they dont want to deal with the headache, just like walmart is facing.

TheOtherOne
April 7, 2003, 10:29 AM
considering firearms cost in hundreds, that's quite some listing and closing fees for ebay. i don't think ebay is anti 2nd amendment, but they dont want to deal with the headache, just like walmart is facing.

Despite what eBay says, I think you are right. Everything boils down to money, and they wouldn't be willing to give up all that cash just because of their personal beliefs that guns are bad (if they really thought that they might not even allow mags, accessories etc.).

They are just trying to portray a "moral" reason for it to keep a few liberals happy.... when it's really california government gun control crap and a fear of lawsuits that keeps them from allowing it.

H Romberg
April 7, 2003, 12:09 PM
Nothing wrong with wine or porn (the former in moderation of course). I just wish they weren't trying to be a nanny for their customers. It's insulting, no matter what they outlaw.

Spot77
April 7, 2003, 12:44 PM
Is it just me, or does www.gunbroker.com look an awful lot like ebay?

Are they affiliated?

Tall Man
April 7, 2003, 12:53 PM
"Nothing wrong with wine or porn "

Only in 2003 could such a comment be proffered in a blase manner.

I usually withhold moral judgements when posting to a given thread, but this is something that deserves to be called out.

Remember that children peruse this website too.

Tall Man

P.S. - Yes, eBay's apparant firearms policy is insulting.

dude
April 7, 2003, 12:56 PM
If you don't like eBay..........don't go there

they have the FREEDOM to run their site the way they please

TheOtherOne
April 7, 2003, 01:32 PM
they have the FREEDOM to run their site the way they please
Yep, and I have the freedom to complain to them about it!

spankaveli
April 7, 2003, 01:35 PM
"I really get a kick out of it when I see a magazine for sale that is obviously a high cap. (forbidden under their rules) and the description reads something like "Per ebay rules, I am listing this as a 10 round magazine"."

Like this one :D
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3602331766&category=36258

Smoke
April 7, 2003, 01:51 PM
Then of course there are the people that list guns anyway. I was high bidder on a nice Kimber for 3 days until Ebay finally caught it and killed the auction 2 days before it was over. :uhoh:

And then there was the Marksman B.B. gun that they decided violated the users agreement...3 days after the auction ended. I was the buyer and the transaction had been completed and item shipped before they noticed it.:D

But what is the deal with a B.B. gun anyway? Airsoft is all over the place. SO mine doesn't have the orange tip :what: big deal. Its a B.B. gun. No FFL required.:cuss:

Felonious Monk
April 7, 2003, 02:18 PM
HRomberg--you saidNothing wrong with wine or porn (the former in moderation of course). I just wish they weren't trying to be a nanny for their customers. It's insulting, no matter what they outlaw.Yep. Just ask Ted Bundy.
HRomberg, I feel your statement was uninformed and insensitive.

Pornography destroys lives, as it creates psychological addiction and desensitization, requiring ever more graphic images.

Then, you need MORE. More graphic, more violent, more brutal.

Know what "snuff" is?
Hint: It AIN'T tobacco, boys and girls.

There is a subculture of animals that FEED on images, both still and video, of under age little girls and boys being violated in unspeakable ways.
People pay BIG money for these videos. You won't find them in your local Doc Johnson adult bookstore. Why?
When the sexual part of the violation is finished, they kill them. Usually choke them to death with a garrote.
With the camera still rolling.
Hence, the name "snuff flick".
Precious lives, snuffed out like a cigarette.

Bundy talked about how his addiction to porn led him to ever more graphic images to get off, and how eventually that included images of brutality done to beautiful women.

When even that didn't cut through the numbness, he had to start acting on those fantasies.

I am sorry to be SUCH a downer, but I have worked in ministry to individuals who have been a LONG way down that road, and it is the toughest thing I have ever done.
All of them started with a little T&A, and went on from there.

If it spices up your life, that's your business.
HOWEVER: If you find yourself needing it heavier, more graphic, and involving violence, or domination of another human being, ESPECIALLY younger ones, do a gut check, people. Talk to somebody. Get some help.
Heck, email me and I'll point you to some resources.

What if it was YOUR daughter?
Your baby?

Don't give ME that "nothing wrong with a little porn". :fire:

(edited to be kinder and gentler)

CZ-75
April 7, 2003, 02:27 PM
Nothing wrong with wine. ;)

a-shift
April 7, 2003, 02:53 PM
When you use "snuff" as an example of why porn is bad, you are just as bad as an "anti" bringing up Columbine.



Sorry for this thread being my first post but oh well, I couldn't pass this up.



First amendment protects a alot of unfortunately "bad" things. As much as I hate the KKK, Black Panthers, anti-war protestors, anti-gunners etc. They have the RIGHT to do what they do under the constitution as long as it does not infringe upon others rights.



Sometimes I get frustrated with "conservative" moral police shoving their beliefs on me, especially those who use religion as a weapon. I hate them as much as I hate Liberal, socialist, ACLU pigs shoving stuff down my throat.

spacemanspiff
April 7, 2003, 02:54 PM
now lets see here....i'm 27 yrs old, been hopelessly addicted to looking at naughty pictures of beautiful females well over ten years now....how long before i'm supposed to turn into a violent murdering criminal felonious monk?

hasnt happened yet. know why? because i can tell the difference between REALITY and FANTASY. i can switch off my imagination when i need to. oh yeah, i also have this irritating pang that i think is supposed to be a CONSCIENCE that tells my brain what is 'right' and what is 'wrong'. this is linked to another irritant some people know as SELF CONTROL. that pesky varmint keeps me from going postal and acting out my violent thoughts towards those who make me mad. it prevents me from sinking a cerrated edge into my bosses neck when he needs me to show him how to use the "enter" button on his keyboard. it also stops me from clotheslining the idiots who spend their days standing around gossiping instead of 'working' like i do (for 3 hours a day).

you know, some people try to convince the easily led that simply owning a gun will turn a person into a psychotic killer.

Felonious Monk
April 7, 2003, 03:13 PM
CZ-75-- LOL! No rant here 'bout the wine. Made me laugh, though!

spiff-- Here's what I said:
If it spices up your life, that's your business.
If you find yourself needing it heavier, more graphic, and involving violence, or domination of another human being, ESPECIALLY younger ones, do a gut check, people. Talk to somebody. Get some help.

You're stable (except for your penchant for lachrymology and the teachings of Ronald P. Vincent), and you're right--you DO know the diff between reality and fantasy.
So why don't we take the libertarian thing to its logical conclusion and let everybody do whatever they want, in total anarchy?
Because the freedoms of anarchy impose disproportional consequences on the freedoms of others.

Has to be some checks and balances someplace.
Hopefully, we can exercise individual responsibility and set those levels for ourselves.

Some need/want help.
Others just need a 9mm ticket to the next dimension.

My views may seem antiquated and parochial.
It comes down to this: There are Rules, and there is an Authority.
Remove either one, and the other begins to fade into memory.

CZ-75
April 7, 2003, 03:18 PM
I think Felonious overdid things, at least regarding the potential for violence, but a good chunk of the participants in porn are mentally unstable, weak-minded folks who are used to being abused and degraded. While they technically may be able to give consent, I really doubt they are that competent and it is immoral from that standpoint. I do distinguish soft-core, nudity only from hard-core and worse. My statements are applicable mostly toward hard-core.

Felonious Monk
April 7, 2003, 03:33 PM
Yeah. What CZ-75 said. That's more like it.

redneck
April 7, 2003, 06:59 PM
I'll start off and say that I see both sides of the argument, and that I think it was supposed to go without saying that the guys who said porn was ok, weren't talking about anything involving violent or illegal activities. Responsible gun owners generally appreciate how valuable life is, and don't want to lower the quality of another person's life let alone take it. (except for a few low lifes that prove they haven't evolved enough to live with people ;) )

Now back to the original topic before some moderator lays the smack down on this.

Yes it made me mad to find out that Ebay wouldn't sell guns, but I understand that is their right. The thing that really gets me is that they insult a large number of people in an attempt to justify what they do. If they don't want to sell guns all they have to do is not sell guns. Its their right and they don't have to make excuses.
Lumping gun owners, klan members, and anything else they disagree with into one group isn't called for.

280PLUS
April 7, 2003, 07:15 PM
about "other" auction sites, they ALL seem to look like ebay, i think theyre trying to scam that off on people so they think theyre at ebay when in fact theyre not, especially newbies.

i used to sell a lot of collectibles on ebay but then peeps got to be real cheapskates and a lot of nasty attitudes seemed to be cropping up.

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Jedi_7.62
April 8, 2003, 01:12 PM
I like ebay used it for years. I just always thought they didn't sell guns because they didn't want liability issues. especially in california.

As for porn well having an AK 47 doesn't make me a murdering Psycho and I don't think having some Magazines, movies or web sites would make me a psycho murdering pedifle.

As far as help for these freaks I got all the help they need!!!
and if we run out of ammo rope is reusable

If a body is plagued by a cancer you remove the cancer you don't give it counciling!!!!:fire:

Nightfall
April 9, 2003, 01:24 AM
Can't say I'm really surprised about E-Bay. Liberals have done a stupendous job demonetizing guns and putting a big stigmatization on them, and it's not uncommon for Joe and Jane Blow to place them among evil things like the KKK. Not to mention with all the lawsuits being thrown around blaming firearms manufacturers and dealers for bad things happening, it doesn't seem like a bad move to just get out of that liability loop before the anti-gun fad comes to bite you in the butt.

As for porn... I find it beyond amazing that people can scream for ‘liberty', and complain about being grouped with crazies who go on shooting sprees just because they own a firearm... then turn around and group people who view pornography with Ted Bundy. Hypocrisy, it seems, is not limited to liberals.

Pornography destroys lives, as it creates psychological addiction and desensitization, requiring ever more graphic images.

Then, you need MORE. More graphic, more violent, more brutal.

Let's replace some key words with shooting terms...

"Guns destroy lives, as it creates psychological addiction and desensitization, requiring ever more firearms.

Then, you need MORE. More ‘tactical', more powerful, more DEADLY."

Looks familiar now. I could have sworn I've seen very similar comments on guns-in-america.org. Maybe because it's all based on bigotry, emotional arguments, and generalizations. :fire:

If you're a responsible gun owner, you know the difference between reality and fantasy. Knowing that difference and practicing it is what MAKES you a responsible shooter. Same with pornography. A responsible person who views porn made by consenting adults is just as capable of that distinction. Legitimate pornography is no more responsible for destroying lives than firearms. It's wrong to let people blame their actions and behavior on action movies and violence in Hollywood when they decide to go randomly blasting innocents, and it is just as wrong to let anybody blame sexual forms of media for other horrid crimes they may commit.

Trash that views child porn or the like should not be confused with people viewing pornography by consenting adults. Trash that goes on shooting sprees or the like should not be confused with people shooting or owning firearms. I expect better than these types of demonetizations and emotional knee-jerk recoils on a site that promotes inalienable rights, defense of the Bill of Rights, and individual freedom.

arinvolvo
April 9, 2003, 02:41 AM
Did someone say something about porn and wine? Im in...:D

And by the way, my porn tastes have never evolved into "more brutal"....for crying out loud.:scrutiny: That is just wierd...I happen to like naked women...not brutal naked women.

arinvolvo
April 9, 2003, 02:51 AM
I say we try to sell guns on ebay inder the distinction "curio and relic"...even the BATF cant argue with that.

Felonious Monk
April 9, 2003, 12:46 PM
Nightfall-- The word you are trying to use in your knee-jerk rant, I believe, is DEMONIZATION. As in "to demonize"?

Unless I've missed an update to Webster, there is no such word as "demonetizations".
One can demilitarize, demonetarize, dominate, delineate, but you can't demonetize.

You can tune a piano, but you can't tuna fish.
Roll with the changes. :neener:

Also:It's wrong to let people blame their actions and behavior on action movies and violence in Hollywood when they decide to go randomly blasting innocents, and it is just as wrong to let anybody blame sexual forms of media for other horrid crimes they may commit. Tell this to the advertisers who spend Zillions every day to get you to buy Coke and Nike instead of Pepsi and Reebok. Obviously, no influence. What a laugh!

CZ-75
April 9, 2003, 01:09 PM
You may think porn and prostitution are guilt-free indulgences and that those who ply these trades are adults fully capable of consent, but I'd say that they, with few exceptions, are products of abuse and addictive behaviors. Damaged goods, in other words, not fully competent. For every "Happy Hooker," there's an "Iris."

Nightfall
April 9, 2003, 04:07 PM
Felonious Monk - Check out Webster's, "demonetization" is a word. The word I had originally intended was indeed "demonization", but I use WordPerfect to type my posts and I failed to notice that the words had been modified during the spell check. It's generally a useful tool, but if one isn't careful you can end up with some interesting, unintended word replacements.

As for your quote from my post, you obviously missed the meaning completely. I was not saying that media never influences people. I said it is wrong to let people blame their behavior or actions on anything such as media or objects. It's called individual responsibility, Monk. Being wholly responsible for the acts one commits. You seemed intent on making an issue out of my minor spelling errors, but perhaps YOU should be more attentive as to the wording of my posts.

VNgo
April 10, 2003, 03:21 AM
*ahem* Snuff films are an urban legend, I'm quite glad to mention.


The Los Angeles Police Department did an investigation into the phenomenon and admitted that they could not find even the slightest evidence that snuff films actually existed. They later denied this statement, saying that no investigation was ever initiated by them, possibly in an attempt to defend themselves against the harassment of a public who believed otherwise. Reporters who actually followed up on the rumors came up empty handed as well. Still, the majority of the population was convinced that snuff films were a multi-million dollar black market racket. It was only after Snuff had run its course and the lack of evidence of snuff films became apparent that the hysteria died down and some people began doubting their convictions. Unfortunately, the notion had become so ingrained in our culture that, for future generations and those too young to understand its significance, snuff films would transgress the line from hoax to urban legend.



To this day, anti-pornography campaigners use Snuff and snuff films in general as artillery to defend their moralistic crusades. Many hardline feminists use snuff films as an example of patriarchal suppression. Such books as The Age of Sex Crime by Jane Caputi, Outrageous Acts and Everyday Rebellions by Gloria Steinem, and Take Back the Night-Women on Pornography by Laura Lederer make the assumption that snuff films are a given in this day and age; some even go so far as to suppose that snuff films are the logical conclusion for those individuals jaded by more traditional forms of pornography.


http://www.melonfarmers.co.uk/basnuff.htm


Personally, I don't approve of any kind of porn. But I do defend its First Amendment right to exist.

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