Pics:Whats Wrong With These 1911 Mags?


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charliemopic
December 19, 2005, 07:23 PM
I recently bought some new magazines for my Norinco 1911 Gov. model .45 clone. I bought 10 mags for $5.20 each. uhoh
See pictures.
1st pic shows what I think are called the lips. 2 of the ten magazines are made with non-notched lips and the other eight are made with notched lips. I have a few standard Kimber mags that are made with the notched type lips like the top magazine in the picture. Don't know if these mags will feed or not, havn't had a chance to try'em.

2nd pic shows the same 2 cheapo magazines. One mag you can see one of the coils of the spring. The other mag you cannot.
The bottom plate of these mags shows:
19200
ASSY 5508694
MFR 30745

Theye are said to be exact GI copies. Whatever that is.
Any info. on these? Are they junk?
Thanks
Angelo

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litman252
December 19, 2005, 08:00 PM
Is there a chance these are for diffrent calibers???

In the second pic you can see the diffrence in the top pice of the feed lip distance from the top of the mag.

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Tony

kart racer
December 19, 2005, 08:31 PM
I have 3 of those I bought a year ago.Exact same #'s.They're out of spec,seem to be junk metal and the follower and spring from a metalform mag wouldn't fit.I filed the contours to match the metalform and they have worked the few times I tried them,but wouldn't trust them.I don't know what's up w the 2 mags that don't have any lips on them.I checked every measurement on them and the width was the only thing in spec on mine,but they still fed at the range.

MaterDei
December 19, 2005, 08:43 PM
Those are some bizarre looking 1911 mags. :what:

georgeduz
December 19, 2005, 09:35 PM
i have gi mags that look like that,they work fine,but i wouldnt buy any thing made in china,send that commi stuff back to the store and buy some american made mags,

charliemopic
December 20, 2005, 03:17 PM
I have 3 of those I bought a year ago.Exact same #'s.They're out of spec,seem to be junk metal and the follower and spring from a metalform mag wouldn't fit.I filed the contours to match the metalform and they have worked the few times I tried them,but wouldn't trust them.I don't know what's up w the 2 mags that don't have any lips on them.I checked every measurement on them and the width was the only thing in spec on mine,but they still fed at the range.
Thanks Everyone for your input.
I got these off of Ebay. When I told the seller the mags look kinda chinsey he replied with he would do a full return/refund no problem.
It will be awhile before I get a chance to try them (in my Chinese pistol) and I wouldn't trust them for self defense either. I have 1 ShootingStaR and 2 Kimber mags that are dead reliable with ball ammo and may jam with HP

Jim K
December 20, 2005, 03:34 PM
They are junk. They are being sold as "army surplus" which is true only if you define "surplus" to mean rejected by the Army because they were far out of spec and worthless. The company couldn't even put the inspection holes in the right places.

Try them. If, by chance, some work, fine, but use them on the range. Scrap the rest. (Note that the same company is now making magazines marked "Colt .45". They are being sold as Colt magazines and are also junk.)

BTW, Georgeduz, the Norinco factory magazines are excellent; most of the junk is coming from the U.S. The above mentioned magazines were made in Pittsburgh, PA.

Jim

1911Tuner
December 20, 2005, 06:02 PM
*sigh*

Play it again, Sam...

Metalform...Stainless....7-round...Standard, dimpled follower...includingWolff springs. Less than 12 bucks a copy if you order 40 or more. Group buy works...but you may wanna keep'em all. Kiss your magazine problems good-bye.

1911Tuner
December 20, 2005, 06:24 PM
Oh yeah...If you got those bogus magazines from the Alaskan reddogg, don't hold your breath 'til ya get your money back...

ulflyer
December 20, 2005, 07:41 PM
Gee, and I just gave one to Kartracer. Figured he'd use it in his new Colt, declare the colt a POS, and trade it to me for a Nork.:evil: Ya too slick for me Joe.:cuss:

dfariswheel
December 20, 2005, 07:46 PM
The "stepped" magazine is the old style parallel feed lips. The other is the newer tapered feed lip magazine.

Sometime after the 1950's??? Colt made the change to the tapered feed lips because it's easier to "time" cartridge release with the taper.

There are at least 3-4 types of parallel feed lips on 1911 magazines.
All of them are acceptable, as long as they feed properly.

kart racer
December 20, 2005, 09:41 PM
UL,the funny thing is,I had 3 before-now I have 4,haven't tried yours yet,but they all worked.I'd never use them anywhere but the range..it amazes me sometimes how forgiving the 1911 really is.Oh,I have a micro I'll trade ya for a nork.I'm gonna take the micro and put about 500rds thru it and see what it does.

Jim K
December 22, 2005, 08:22 PM
Colt had been using tapered feed lips since at least, well, 1911, and the taper is part of the Government specification. The release is gradual and works fine with the standard length cartridge. But short rounds, like those with short hollow-point bullets, tend to release too soon and jam, so Colt and other makers changed their feed lips to accommodate shooters who used the newer rounds.

Jim

Highland Ranger
December 22, 2005, 08:53 PM
Tuner - wish I read that before I bought those $30 wilsons!

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